| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 153527 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:19 - Jul 6 with 1847 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:13 - Jul 6 by exhmrc1 |
The stay local rule has certainly helped. As I have said on many occasions the 5 mile thing was guidance and never an actual rule as Drakeford said at the time but people ignored. As far as people ignoring it that is the case for all rules. Do people stick to speeding limits. Do people park where they shouldnt. Do people drink after hours.
Most have followed the stay local advice and we are reaping the benefits. However the figures will increase tomorrow and Wednesday as they always do and there will continue to be some deaths over the next month or so due to the numbers in hospital and in critical care.
However what is unmistakeable is the downward trend and this has been the case for weeks. Nearly everyday has been a reduction on the same day of the previous week and lately has been clouded by the figures in the 3 factories which have made the figures higher.
It is good news whatever anyone thinks and credit should go to Drakeford and co. |
Yeah, mainly the police ignored it being ‘guidance’ as that wasn’t said until well after the event.
Anyway good news that in both Wales and England cases are plummeting (lowest level since well before lockdown now).
And that’s despite Johnson being a complete arse. I wouldn’t ascribe any credit to him whatsoever. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:51 - Jul 6 with 1815 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:19 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah, mainly the police ignored it being ‘guidance’ as that wasn’t said until well after the event.
Anyway good news that in both Wales and England cases are plummeting (lowest level since well before lockdown now).
And that’s despite Johnson being a complete arse. I wouldn’t ascribe any credit to him whatsoever. |
Stay local wasnt guidance. The 5 mile rule was. I dont know of any cases where people were prosecuted for travelling 6,7 or even 10 miles but for people travelling like 100 miles or more yes they did get prosecuted as that clearly wasnt staying local. Do you know of anyone being prosecuted for travelling 6 or 7 miles rather than 10s or 100s of miles | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:58 - Jul 6 with 1804 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:51 - Jul 6 by exhmrc1 |
Stay local wasnt guidance. The 5 mile rule was. I dont know of any cases where people were prosecuted for travelling 6,7 or even 10 miles but for people travelling like 100 miles or more yes they did get prosecuted as that clearly wasnt staying local. Do you know of anyone being prosecuted for travelling 6 or 7 miles rather than 10s or 100s of miles |
I know people who were stopped and questioned by the police when they were a mile from their house let alone 6 miles. Several times.
And I know the police set up road blocks at various places turning people around when they were trying to get to see people (outside, following all rules) within 20 miles of their house, yes.
However many times you say the stay local thing is fab and Drakeford is fab and cases dropping is fab (which it is), the fact remains that Johnson the idiot has seen the same drop in cases (actually more I think) while allowing people to go everywhere and for the economy in England to start back up. The situation in Wales is no different and yet things were still shut until today.
The pubs allowing people inside is the most dangerous move - restaurants too. But again, we’ll have to see, every time I think there’s going to be a spike, there isn’t. As it now turns out, the Leicester situation (which a few on here were attributing to crowds gathering outside shops and restaurants and marches) is due to sweatshop factories. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:13 - Jul 6 with 1793 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:58 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
I know people who were stopped and questioned by the police when they were a mile from their house let alone 6 miles. Several times.
And I know the police set up road blocks at various places turning people around when they were trying to get to see people (outside, following all rules) within 20 miles of their house, yes.
However many times you say the stay local thing is fab and Drakeford is fab and cases dropping is fab (which it is), the fact remains that Johnson the idiot has seen the same drop in cases (actually more I think) while allowing people to go everywhere and for the economy in England to start back up. The situation in Wales is no different and yet things were still shut until today.
The pubs allowing people inside is the most dangerous move - restaurants too. But again, we’ll have to see, every time I think there’s going to be a spike, there isn’t. As it now turns out, the Leicester situation (which a few on here were attributing to crowds gathering outside shops and restaurants and marches) is due to sweatshop factories. |
I watched the press conference at which this was announced and what was actually said is that people should stay local. He went on to say that people wanted to know what was meant by local was " a rule of thumb" of 5 miles. He also added that in rural areas that might not be possible and the nearest supermarket could be 15 miles away and it was for everyone to make their own judgement in their circumstances on what staying local meant.
Unfortunately you and others will do anything to try to knock Mark Drakeford because he is not of your political views but that should not involve mis representing what he actually said. This was made clear when this was announced even if the press chose not to report tah. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:32 - Jul 6 with 1776 views | Dr_Winston |
Cases in Wales are dropping in line with everywhere else in the UK, for a variety of reasons.
It's just a guess, but I'd hazard that an arbitrary and never strictly enforced five mile rule has been somewhat less integral in that than social distancing inside businesses, increased awareness of hand hygiene and many, many others, especially since such restrictions disappeared in England quite some time ago with no accompanying explosion in cases.
Just another example of Wales being behind the curve. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:40 - Jul 6 with 1764 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:13 - Jul 6 by exhmrc1 |
I watched the press conference at which this was announced and what was actually said is that people should stay local. He went on to say that people wanted to know what was meant by local was " a rule of thumb" of 5 miles. He also added that in rural areas that might not be possible and the nearest supermarket could be 15 miles away and it was for everyone to make their own judgement in their circumstances on what staying local meant.
Unfortunately you and others will do anything to try to knock Mark Drakeford because he is not of your political views but that should not involve mis representing what he actually said. This was made clear when this was announced even if the press chose not to report tah. |
Again, as I’ve repeatedly explained, I’m getting sick of being told by you that anyone knocking Drakeford must be ‘anti Labour’ or ‘anti WG’.
The police were stopping people visiting others that lived 20 miles away. People were being stopped a mile from their house and asked where they were going.
No one is talking about supermarkets.
Nothing to do with the media - the police obviously weren’t properly briefed either.
Cases go down in Wales - Drakeford is wonderful.
Cases go down even faster in England - the UK government are idiots and driven by screaming back benchers.
Can’t you see the problem? As I’ve said, you don’t care perhaps as you’re not economically affected by this. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:51 - Jul 6 with 1754 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:32 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
Cases in Wales are dropping in line with everywhere else in the UK, for a variety of reasons.
It's just a guess, but I'd hazard that an arbitrary and never strictly enforced five mile rule has been somewhat less integral in that than social distancing inside businesses, increased awareness of hand hygiene and many, many others, especially since such restrictions disappeared in England quite some time ago with no accompanying explosion in cases.
Just another example of Wales being behind the curve. |
If as is being suggested, pubs with beer gardens will be allowed to open on Monday 13th July in Wales, wouldn't it have been far more sensible to allow them to open on the Saturday so they could have an extra summer weekend trade.
Or is that far to sensible. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:05 - Jul 6 with 1745 views | Dr_Winston |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:51 - Jul 6 by Flashberryjack |
If as is being suggested, pubs with beer gardens will be allowed to open on Monday 13th July in Wales, wouldn't it have been far more sensible to allow them to open on the Saturday so they could have an extra summer weekend trade.
Or is that far to sensible. |
Now now. I'm sure Professor Drakeford knows what he's doing. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:10 - Jul 6 with 1740 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:40 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Again, as I’ve repeatedly explained, I’m getting sick of being told by you that anyone knocking Drakeford must be ‘anti Labour’ or ‘anti WG’.
The police were stopping people visiting others that lived 20 miles away. People were being stopped a mile from their house and asked where they were going.
No one is talking about supermarkets.
Nothing to do with the media - the police obviously weren’t properly briefed either.
Cases go down in Wales - Drakeford is wonderful.
Cases go down even faster in England - the UK government are idiots and driven by screaming back benchers.
Can’t you see the problem? As I’ve said, you don’t care perhaps as you’re not economically affected by this. |
They havent gone down faster in England. On your own admission there have been less cases in England so the starting base in Wales was therefore higher and has come down quicker just like there are many 1/3 more deaths proportionately in England than Wales but you say this isnt a true reflection. England was the only part of the UK to have any deaths today. That is another fact. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:15 - Jul 6 with 1736 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:05 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
Now now. I'm sure Professor Drakeford knows what he's doing. |
That's a matter for debate.
There can't be any logical reason why Monday and not Saturday.
Unlike Bob Geldof, Drakeford does like Mondays. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:21 - Jul 6 with 1725 views | Dr_Winston |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:15 - Jul 6 by Flashberryjack |
That's a matter for debate.
There can't be any logical reason why Monday and not Saturday.
Unlike Bob Geldof, Drakeford does like Mondays. |
I was being slightly sarcastic.
A weekends lost takings for a business mean nothing to him because he still gets paid. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:26 - Jul 6 with 1710 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:10 - Jul 6 by exhmrc1 |
They havent gone down faster in England. On your own admission there have been less cases in England so the starting base in Wales was therefore higher and has come down quicker just like there are many 1/3 more deaths proportionately in England than Wales but you say this isnt a true reflection. England was the only part of the UK to have any deaths today. That is another fact. |
What the hell are you talking about?
You can’t compare achieving no deaths in a country of 3m with achieving no deaths in a country of 56m.
London hasn’t had any deaths on quite a few occasions and the population is 3 times the size of Wales. Well over half the NHS trusts in England haven’t had any deaths for over a week.
The death statistics are different because the ethnic mix is completely different. As has been explained. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:26 - Jul 6 with 1711 views | BillyChong |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:51 - Jul 6 by Flashberryjack |
If as is being suggested, pubs with beer gardens will be allowed to open on Monday 13th July in Wales, wouldn't it have been far more sensible to allow them to open on the Saturday so they could have an extra summer weekend trade.
Or is that far to sensible. |
Probably more sensible than a first day Saturday opening with everyone piling out on the lash at the same time. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:26 - Jul 6 with 1711 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:21 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
I was being slightly sarcastic.
A weekends lost takings for a business mean nothing to him because he still gets paid. |
The loss of next weekend's takings could be the straw that breaks the Camel's back. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:32 - Jul 6 with 1704 views | perplex |
Now that the Welsh Gov are allowing 2 households to meet up meaning lets say grandparents from one house hold being allowed to visit there grandchild etc, do you guys agree with this or would you still feel to weary to allow it to happen. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:52 - Jul 6 with 1686 views | rockinjac |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:26 - Jul 6 by Flashberryjack |
The loss of next weekend's takings could be the straw that breaks the Camel's back. |
They’ll never understand private enterprise
It’s not something that comes naturally to an Authoritarian socialist. The only thing that comes naturally is State control and not trusting people to make choices
If England hadn’t have moved I don’t know where we’d be now. He wouldn’t have budged an inch.
He has zero interest politically in Wales becoming prosperous. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:55 - Jul 6 with 1678 views | Dr_Winston |
I particularly liked the bit where he stated that he wasn't going to look at the five mile rule until at least August and then got it in the neck from his own party.
That's at least a month he's cost us. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:57 - Jul 6 with 1671 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:26 - Jul 6 by BillyChong |
Probably more sensible than a first day Saturday opening with everyone piling out on the lash at the same time. |
So they won't do that the following weekend. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:57 - Jul 6 with 1671 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:26 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
What the hell are you talking about?
You can’t compare achieving no deaths in a country of 3m with achieving no deaths in a country of 56m.
London hasn’t had any deaths on quite a few occasions and the population is 3 times the size of Wales. Well over half the NHS trusts in England haven’t had any deaths for over a week.
The death statistics are different because the ethnic mix is completely different. As has been explained. |
The difference in ethnicity is 10% as you posted previously. The difference in death rates is 30% so that isnt the sole reason and I very much doubt that Welsh hospitals are that much better than those in England either. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:14 - Jul 6 with 1653 views | controversial_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:56 - Jul 6 by raynor94 |
You don't honestly believe people are obeying the 5 mile rule |
I have! Have you? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:25 - Jul 6 with 1642 views | controversial_jack |
Wales had 8 cases today, England 352.Given the population of wales is 22 times smaller than the Uk , it works out that Wales has had half the new cases that the UK has had | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:41 - Jul 6 with 1625 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:25 - Jul 6 by controversial_jack |
Wales had 8 cases today, England 352.Given the population of wales is 22 times smaller than the Uk , it works out that Wales has had half the new cases that the UK has had |
17 in Wales and 331 in England. So quite comparable really.
What a success Drakeford's lock down has been. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:06 - Jul 6 with 1560 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:57 - Jul 6 by exhmrc1 |
The difference in ethnicity is 10% as you posted previously. The difference in death rates is 30% so that isnt the sole reason and I very much doubt that Welsh hospitals are that much better than those in England either. |
As I’ve also posted previously, the majority of deaths in England have come from urban centres and big cities where the ethnic mix is about 30%-40% compared to Wales’ 5%.
As I gave as an example, Hammersmith & Fulham have had fewer cases per capita yet a lot more deaths, the ethnic minority population is many multiples in H&F compared to Swansea.
Anyway, I can’t be bothered any longer. You won’t accept the facts. And you can’t see why those with small businesses are being hurt unnecessarily. Some of them destroyed. It’s the epitome of ‘I’m alright jack‘ it really is. Total lack of empathy. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 21:06]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:30 - Jul 6 with 1525 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:06 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
As I’ve also posted previously, the majority of deaths in England have come from urban centres and big cities where the ethnic mix is about 30%-40% compared to Wales’ 5%.
As I gave as an example, Hammersmith & Fulham have had fewer cases per capita yet a lot more deaths, the ethnic minority population is many multiples in H&F compared to Swansea.
Anyway, I can’t be bothered any longer. You won’t accept the facts. And you can’t see why those with small businesses are being hurt unnecessarily. Some of them destroyed. It’s the epitome of ‘I’m alright jack‘ it really is. Total lack of empathy. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 21:06]
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It's not even just those with small businesses, but those who work in them too. My sisters in law are both single parents and both only have minimum wage bar work. Neither of the Clubs they work in will be opening next week as they don't have large enough beer gardens for it to be worth their while.
Not only that, they have no idea when they will be allowed to open. If they were anywhere else in the UK they would either be in work or know when they will be. With furlough reducing from next month they are very worried.
All for no noticeable benefit whatsoever. [Post edited 7 Jul 2020 6:00]
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