| Birch’s programme notes 12:09 - Dec 29 with 28997 views | marchamjack |
Can’t do the linky thing on my phone...thanks in advance to whoever puts them up...if anyone is still in any doubt about Trev being a puppet of the Yanks, have a read 😠|  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:46 - Dec 30 with 1904 views | monmouth |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:21 - Dec 30 by Cooperman |
In which case current FY gets compared to last FY and the year before that. There are some fundamental questions that can be asked even if you don’t have the first idea about accounting practices. |
The cash flows would be more interesting than the accounts. Forget profit, follow the money is an essential axiom for football clubs. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:47 - Dec 30 with 1902 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:08 - Dec 30 by SwanDownUnder |
Oh my god, you think HMRC is in on it to? |
You think our owners are kosher? |  | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:49 - Dec 30 with 1893 views | Cooperman |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:46 - Dec 30 by monmouth |
The cash flows would be more interesting than the accounts. Forget profit, follow the money is an essential axiom for football clubs. |
Aye, even a highly profitable business can go to the wall if it runs out of cash. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:50 - Dec 30 with 1888 views | SwanDownUnder |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:47 - Dec 30 by Fireboy2 |
You think our owners are kosher? |
No idea if they are Jewish, what are you suggesting? |  | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:54 - Dec 30 with 1860 views | Highjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:50 - Dec 30 by SwanDownUnder |
No idea if they are Jewish, what are you suggesting? |
They are jewish. Not that it’s relevant. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 with 1865 views | KGriz16 |
So, does taking down the tiers of the academy mean we stop producing players and having an academy? Or just we wont be playing at a higher level? |  | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 with 1865 views | Uxbridge |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:46 - Dec 30 by monmouth |
The cash flows would be more interesting than the accounts. Forget profit, follow the money is an essential axiom for football clubs. |
Not least one where we have £20m less each year as parachute payments reduce to nowt the season after next. As anyone who reads the Trust monthy board minutes (very popular I'm sure), cashflow has historically been the area of most interest and concern.
Not that there's any evidence of money being syphoned off, although usual caveats apply regarding levels of visibility and ability to act against it. We have absentee owners in essence, which isn't good in some ways, but less bad in others. In that scenario, self-sufficiency is imperative. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 with 1862 views | NotLoyal |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:24 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
The accounts are due out soon. What will happen if they show that no money has been syphoned out of the club at all? |
At this point it will show how corrupt they are as it’s blatantly obvious the figures in outweighs the figures out by millions. Same as when they bought the club and have run matters since. Even fcking Neil McClure and his sidekick idiot we’re more transparent than this lot and they were as unethical as you can get. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 10:58 - Dec 30 with 1850 views | Highjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 by KGriz16 |
So, does taking down the tiers of the academy mean we stop producing players and having an academy? Or just we wont be playing at a higher level? |
It’ll become harder to attract the most promising youngsters. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:00 - Dec 30 with 1855 views | longlostjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:17 - Dec 30 by SwanDownUnder |
You know Stuart already has access to this right? |
Access to detailed management accounts, with emphasis on the word detailed? That was the issue. I very much doubt whether he has and I wonder why not? [Post edited 30 Dec 2019 11:06]
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:10 - Dec 30 with 1827 views | Uxbridge |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:00 - Dec 30 by longlostjack |
Access to detailed management accounts, with emphasis on the word detailed? That was the issue. I very much doubt whether he has and I wonder why not? [Post edited 30 Dec 2019 11:06]
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Detailed is a word in the eye of the beholder somewhat, but they are received monthly and they are relatively detailed in fairness. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:11 - Dec 30 with 1821 views | Fireboy2 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:50 - Dec 30 by SwanDownUnder |
No idea if they are Jewish, what are you suggesting? |
Stop being pedantic, you know what i mean. | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:12 - Dec 30 with 1819 views | IAN05 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 by Uxbridge |
Not least one where we have £20m less each year as parachute payments reduce to nowt the season after next. As anyone who reads the Trust monthy board minutes (very popular I'm sure), cashflow has historically been the area of most interest and concern.
Not that there's any evidence of money being syphoned off, although usual caveats apply regarding levels of visibility and ability to act against it. We have absentee owners in essence, which isn't good in some ways, but less bad in others. In that scenario, self-sufficiency is imperative. |
In fairness the board meeting minutes are not that easy to find and haven’t been updated since August’s meeting so difficult to keep track on anything really. | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:13 - Dec 30 with 1815 views | Dr_Winston |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:10 - Dec 30 by Uxbridge |
Detailed is a word in the eye of the beholder somewhat, but they are received monthly and they are relatively detailed in fairness. |
Is there a bit that says:
"£10m in management payments that we won't tell the Trust or HMRC about"? |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:14 - Dec 30 with 1814 views | longlostjack |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:10 - Dec 30 by Uxbridge |
Detailed is a word in the eye of the beholder somewhat, but they are received monthly and they are relatively detailed in fairness. |
Really? I recall Lisa mentioning in one of her posts that they weren't detailed enough and that they weren't being submitted promptly. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:17 - Dec 30 with 1801 views | monmouth |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:10 - Dec 30 by Uxbridge |
Detailed is a word in the eye of the beholder somewhat, but they are received monthly and they are relatively detailed in fairness. |
Personally I'd be more interested in the future projections and scenario modelling, and of course as we said the short, medium and longer term cash budgets. I'd want every penny of anticipated cash receipts and payments accounted for (even though it will regularly need updating....doubt anyone expected the millions for DJ and OMcB), as well as actual, which presumably is part of the management accounts. | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:19 - Dec 30 with 1796 views | Chief |
| Birch’s programme notes on 08:10 - Dec 30 by SwanDownUnder |
Your not a season ticket holder then?  |
I've been a season ticket holder for a decade but they can stick their free drink with union jack motif glasses up their arsss. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:25 - Dec 30 with 1778 views | jack247 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 by KGriz16 |
So, does taking down the tiers of the academy mean we stop producing players and having an academy? Or just we wont be playing at a higher level? |
We’ll still have an academy. We just won’t be able to attract the best young players (James, McBurnie etc) and make massive profit on them. Also goes for the likes of Byers and Garrick who may never go for £20m, but can play in the Championship.
I’m not sure how it would affect local lads like Rodon and Roberts, i.e. would players of their potential have been poached by a club with a category A academy if we hadn’t had one, or would we have kept hold of them.
Ben Davies and Joe Allen came through without it. | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:29 - Dec 30 with 1766 views | theloneranger |
| Birch’s programme notes on 10:57 - Dec 30 by KGriz16 |
So, does taking down the tiers of the academy mean we stop producing players and having an academy? Or just we wont be playing at a higher level? |
The main thing will be, is that they have a va!uable piece of land to sell off in Landore. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 11:33 - Dec 30 with 1754 views | jack247 |
| Birch’s programme notes on 09:48 - Dec 30 by Neath_Jack |
Can't see anything wrong with it myself.
There is no money, and we are getting less income every season. Do some of you really want them to gamble with the clubs very existence? Let's hope they can find a way to fund the Cat 1 academy without putting us further down shite street.
Yeah the buying pints thing is trying to get the fans on side, and hopefully renew their season tickers, again, nothing wrong in that. We need as many people coming through those gates as possible. Those who are pouting about not being in the premier league, not buying players etc, are only going to make the situation worse by not turning up.
We all know the owners are only interested in cutting their loses and getting out of dodge. They'll obviously want those loses to be as little as possible, so will need to stabilise the club to make it even slightly attractive to perspective buyers.
What do people expect Birch to do? He's got a job to do, whilst trying to keep the fans onside. |
That’s a very good post to be fair.
Birch is very good at presenting himself as open and transparent whilst being completely non commital to more or less anything.
They don’t help themselves (not that supporter advocacy is top of their list anyway) by stating we weren’t financially desperate after selling James, then selling McBurnie and then hinting the academy is at risk. | | | |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:34 - Dec 30 with 1746 views | Uxbridge |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:12 - Dec 30 by IAN05 |
In fairness the board meeting minutes are not that easy to find and haven’t been updated since August’s meeting so difficult to keep track on anything really. |
I shall have a word 👠| |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 12:10 - Dec 30 with 1699 views | Cooperman |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:12 - Dec 30 by IAN05 |
In fairness the board meeting minutes are not that easy to find and haven’t been updated since August’s meeting so difficult to keep track on anything really. |
If your statement re the minutes is correct (and I am certainly not challenging you on this) then the person responsible for this task should stand down immediately. And if the responsible person trots out the line of ‘personal commitments’ then the same comment applies.
Phil / Ux / ECB - who is responsible? Person in charge of comms? The secretary? | |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 12:32 - Dec 30 with 1671 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Birch’s programme notes on 12:10 - Dec 30 by Cooperman |
If your statement re the minutes is correct (and I am certainly not challenging you on this) then the person responsible for this task should stand down immediately. And if the responsible person trots out the line of ‘personal commitments’ then the same comment applies.
Phil / Ux / ECB - who is responsible? Person in charge of comms? The secretary? |
Hadn’t realised they’ve not been updated. Will be sorted. |  |
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| Birch’s programme notes on 12:52 - Dec 30 with 1637 views | jasper_T |
| Birch’s programme notes on 11:25 - Dec 30 by jack247 |
We’ll still have an academy. We just won’t be able to attract the best young players (James, McBurnie etc) and make massive profit on them. Also goes for the likes of Byers and Garrick who may never go for £20m, but can play in the Championship.
I’m not sure how it would affect local lads like Rodon and Roberts, i.e. would players of their potential have been poached by a club with a category A academy if we hadn’t had one, or would we have kept hold of them.
Ben Davies and Joe Allen came through without it. |
Joe Rodon and Connor Roberts were both professionals here before we were Cat 1. Connor had played a full season at Yeovil by that point iirc.
Jordon Garrick was playing non-league, no reason we couldn't still bring him in. Financial impediments to recruitment already exist independent of status, we can't spent six--figure fees on Scotsmen like we did before.
Our recruitment saw a number of talented local players forced out of the club, who may well have done a job for us had we not been in the PL at the time (Josh Sheehan, Lewis Thomas, Liam Shephard). | | | |
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