| Adshead 15:40 - Jun 18 with 31103 views | ColDale |
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| Adshead on 16:59 - Jun 20 with 3637 views | 100notout |
Meanwhile oldham reportedly selling a 21 yo to Rangers for £650k |  |
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| Adshead on 18:26 - Jun 20 with 3481 views | Shun |
| Adshead on 10:48 - Jun 20 by dawlishdale |
Whichever way you dress it up, we do indeed seem to have accepted a very low bid for Adshead. Fitz was initially told that it was far in excess of £300k, but has subsequently been told that it was indeed the lower amount.
Yes; there are the usual add on's, but given his young age and the fact that he will likely play in Norwich's Under 23 team this year, almost certainly followed by a spell on loan somewhere, mean that we won't be getting the add ons for quite some time, if ever.
I ask you this.... where else would an EPL team be able to sign a highly talented England u18 international with L1 experience, and under contract until the end of 2021 for £300k?
It just wouldn't happen.
Even bury managed to get £400,000 up front when they sold Matty Foulds to Everton. Foulds had never played any first team games !!! |
Have to agree with yours and fitzo’s line of thinking here. In today’s market an England youth international who already has a number of professional appearances is a huge talent, and to only get £350k (and, let’s be honest, that figure is more than just a rumour now) up front is abysmal.
I think anyone with the negotiating skills of a twelve-year-old selling polo mints to his mates in the schoolyard should’ve been able to manage an up front fee of something approaching, if not surpassing, £1million - and that’s with add-ons to boot.
The repeated references to Bury’s greater fee for a lower-profile player with less prestige, and this for a club the same size as us with a much more precarious financial position puts paid to the idea that clubs walk all over us because it’s little Rochdale and we need the money. In reality it just leads me to ask the question of whether we’re simply just weaker than tazzy’s grasp on the English language when it comes to negotiating. |  | | |
| Adshead on 18:37 - Jun 20 with 3446 views | Dale23years |
| Adshead on 18:26 - Jun 20 by Shun |
Have to agree with yours and fitzo’s line of thinking here. In today’s market an England youth international who already has a number of professional appearances is a huge talent, and to only get £350k (and, let’s be honest, that figure is more than just a rumour now) up front is abysmal.
I think anyone with the negotiating skills of a twelve-year-old selling polo mints to his mates in the schoolyard should’ve been able to manage an up front fee of something approaching, if not surpassing, £1million - and that’s with add-ons to boot.
The repeated references to Bury’s greater fee for a lower-profile player with less prestige, and this for a club the same size as us with a much more precarious financial position puts paid to the idea that clubs walk all over us because it’s little Rochdale and we need the money. In reality it just leads me to ask the question of whether we’re simply just weaker than tazzy’s grasp on the English language when it comes to negotiating. |
Fee accepted,due to Hill and Dunphies crazy spending last summer on crap standard players, and championship size squad. Forget about the massive pay rise Hill got from his 5 year contract.
It will be like this, for a few seasons now.
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| Adshead on 18:46 - Jun 20 with 3419 views | judd |
| Adshead on 18:37 - Jun 20 by Dale23years |
Fee accepted,due to Hill and Dunphies crazy spending last summer on crap standard players, and championship size squad. Forget about the massive pay rise Hill got from his 5 year contract.
It will be like this, for a few seasons now.
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So you think we are strapped for cash?
Have you factored in any other sales from 2019?
I'm not having a go, just interested in your take on things. |  |
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| Adshead on 19:05 - Jun 20 with 3367 views | 1907 |
I won’t criticise anyone or express an opinion on anything until I am aware of facts relating to the sale & I would encourage others to do the same.
Nobody knows if we have got a good deal or a bad deal, so continuing to speculate isn’t really doing anybody any favours & really just causes unnecessary negativity.
All will be revealed at one stage or another, let’s just appreciate the fact that the lad is now a Premiership player & we are in a better financial position now than what we were last week. | | | |
| Adshead on 19:14 - Jun 20 with 3328 views | D_Alien |
| Adshead on 19:05 - Jun 20 by 1907 |
I won’t criticise anyone or express an opinion on anything until I am aware of facts relating to the sale & I would encourage others to do the same.
Nobody knows if we have got a good deal or a bad deal, so continuing to speculate isn’t really doing anybody any favours & really just causes unnecessary negativity.
All will be revealed at one stage or another, let’s just appreciate the fact that the lad is now a Premiership player & we are in a better financial position now than what we were last week. |
I'll second that, even though i have expressed an opinion
I think some of the negativity also arises from natural disappointment at not having the opportunity to see Adshead develop further as a Dale player, which is understandable. To take the example of a previous transfer to Norwich - Dave Cross - we had the chance to see him develop and score some iconic goals before his transfer. It'll be interesting to see whether Adshead gets a debut in the Premier League this coming season |  |
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| Adshead on 19:21 - Jun 20 with 3284 views | 1907 |
| Adshead on 19:14 - Jun 20 by D_Alien |
I'll second that, even though i have expressed an opinion
I think some of the negativity also arises from natural disappointment at not having the opportunity to see Adshead develop further as a Dale player, which is understandable. To take the example of a previous transfer to Norwich - Dave Cross - we had the chance to see him develop and score some iconic goals before his transfer. It'll be interesting to see whether Adshead gets a debut in the Premier League this coming season |
I think the best case scenario for us, as a club moving forward, is to move the academy players on as quickly & profitably as possible without them really making much of an impact on the first team.
We’re going to struggle to give these lads opportunities in a ridiculously competitive league & it would be better to invest the proceeds in signing experienced pro’s capable of taking us forward & keeping us competitive.
In all honesty I don’t believe that Adshead would have progressed any further than what he already has, had he stayed with us any longer. In fact, you could argue that he could potentially have regressed. | | | |
| Adshead on 19:22 - Jun 20 with 3282 views | aleanddale |
| Adshead on 19:14 - Jun 20 by D_Alien |
I'll second that, even though i have expressed an opinion
I think some of the negativity also arises from natural disappointment at not having the opportunity to see Adshead develop further as a Dale player, which is understandable. To take the example of a previous transfer to Norwich - Dave Cross - we had the chance to see him develop and score some iconic goals before his transfer. It'll be interesting to see whether Adshead gets a debut in the Premier League this coming season |
Lets hope he does.
I guess we need to hope for a Hogan situation when we profit from the sell on.
Fingers crossed Craig Dawson too.
It is no secret we are watchful with the purse strings and £350k will probably cover the budgeted loss for 2019/20.
If he kicks on and Dale get 20% of £10 million in 3 or 4 years the deal becomes a very good one. | | | |
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| Adshead on 21:00 - Jun 20 with 3182 views | judd |
| Adshead on 19:05 - Jun 20 by 1907 |
I won’t criticise anyone or express an opinion on anything until I am aware of facts relating to the sale & I would encourage others to do the same.
Nobody knows if we have got a good deal or a bad deal, so continuing to speculate isn’t really doing anybody any favours & really just causes unnecessary negativity.
All will be revealed at one stage or another, let’s just appreciate the fact that the lad is now a Premiership player & we are in a better financial position now than what we were last week. |
Not all speculation on this thread is negative in relation to the purported initial fee. Its a fans forum and speculation, assumption, .supposition will all form part of the discussion.
You have gone on to opine that the player would not develop further had he stayed at Rochdale. You cannot base that on anything factual and may create negativity as to the ability of our academy staff to develop first team players even though they have a track record of doing so.
As I understand it Adshead has signed for the academy at a premiership club. As to the financial position of the club, could it have done better? Did the deal need to be done right now? I think they are fair questions for a fan to ask. | |
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| Adshead on 21:18 - Jun 20 with 3125 views | 1907 |
| Adshead on 21:00 - Jun 20 by judd |
Not all speculation on this thread is negative in relation to the purported initial fee. Its a fans forum and speculation, assumption, .supposition will all form part of the discussion.
You have gone on to opine that the player would not develop further had he stayed at Rochdale. You cannot base that on anything factual and may create negativity as to the ability of our academy staff to develop first team players even though they have a track record of doing so.
As I understand it Adshead has signed for the academy at a premiership club. As to the financial position of the club, could it have done better? Did the deal need to be done right now? I think they are fair questions for a fan to ask. |
I don’t think he would have progressed. How could a light weight, central midfielder who physically struggled with the athleticism require to progress in this division? Playing in a team that will undoubtedly be battling regelation year on year will not do any creative, young, inexperienced player any favours.
Complaining about sales figures (that nobody can prove one way or another until accounts are published) is unnecessary negativity.
Nothing I have posted is negative. All I want is a positive environment which will help all.
Adshead has gone for whatever amount he has. It is what it is.
Let’s celebrate the success of achieving such an achievement of an academy player & move on. | | | |
| Adshead on 21:20 - Jun 20 with 3118 views | Creepy |
How much did we get for Kevin Townson?
All sales are a gamble. Dan might fade away and never be better than league 1 or 2 standard. Or he may become a premier league veteran.
No right deal for this one, just see how it pans out.
Plus, it’s a great move for the lad. |  | | |
| Adshead on 21:31 - Jun 20 with 3096 views | judd |
| Adshead on 21:18 - Jun 20 by 1907 |
I don’t think he would have progressed. How could a light weight, central midfielder who physically struggled with the athleticism require to progress in this division? Playing in a team that will undoubtedly be battling regelation year on year will not do any creative, young, inexperienced player any favours.
Complaining about sales figures (that nobody can prove one way or another until accounts are published) is unnecessary negativity.
Nothing I have posted is negative. All I want is a positive environment which will help all.
Adshead has gone for whatever amount he has. It is what it is.
Let’s celebrate the success of achieving such an achievement of an academy player & move on. |
Fine, you're expressing an opinion, as is your right on here.
You cannot possibly know how he might have developed physically or football-wise. My opinion is that you do the coaching staff a disservice.
As.I said earlier, not all.posters have complained about the fee, but the speculation and debate is a direct result of a policy of non-disclosure of transfer fees. It is what it is.
I'll choose to celebrate and move on in my own good time, thank you. Its almost as if you're taking personal credit for the deal. | |
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| Adshead on 21:49 - Jun 20 with 3037 views | DaleiLama |
| Adshead on 21:18 - Jun 20 by 1907 |
I don’t think he would have progressed. How could a light weight, central midfielder who physically struggled with the athleticism require to progress in this division? Playing in a team that will undoubtedly be battling regelation year on year will not do any creative, young, inexperienced player any favours.
Complaining about sales figures (that nobody can prove one way or another until accounts are published) is unnecessary negativity.
Nothing I have posted is negative. All I want is a positive environment which will help all.
Adshead has gone for whatever amount he has. It is what it is.
Let’s celebrate the success of achieving such an achievement of an academy player & move on. |
Trying to extrapolate how a player will develop is almost impossible, but what was very evident is he could pick a pass, always looked forward and had a decent motor on him.
At 17, it's difficult to know to the nearest 6" how tall someone might grow to at 21+ these days, even if his parents weren't tall. Then when he's finished growing up he'll start to fill out.
He was capped for the England u17s and scored on his debut I think? This is what he has achieved to date and is probably a better yardstick than speculation on what he might become. None of us has a crystal ball. |  |
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| Adshead on 21:53 - Jun 20 with 3018 views | judd |
| Adshead on 21:49 - Jun 20 by DaleiLama |
Trying to extrapolate how a player will develop is almost impossible, but what was very evident is he could pick a pass, always looked forward and had a decent motor on him.
At 17, it's difficult to know to the nearest 6" how tall someone might grow to at 21+ these days, even if his parents weren't tall. Then when he's finished growing up he'll start to fill out.
He was capped for the England u17s and scored on his debut I think? This is what he has achieved to date and is probably a better yardstick than speculation on what he might become. None of us has a crystal ball. |
HE'S MOVED ON.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put up and shut up - follow the bury model of not challenging . | |
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| Adshead on 21:54 - Jun 20 with 3013 views | JumeirahDale |
| Adshead on 21:49 - Jun 20 by DaleiLama |
Trying to extrapolate how a player will develop is almost impossible, but what was very evident is he could pick a pass, always looked forward and had a decent motor on him.
At 17, it's difficult to know to the nearest 6" how tall someone might grow to at 21+ these days, even if his parents weren't tall. Then when he's finished growing up he'll start to fill out.
He was capped for the England u17s and scored on his debut I think? This is what he has achieved to date and is probably a better yardstick than speculation on what he might become. None of us has a crystal ball. |
Not to mention Luton just went a season with Shinnie (5'11" ) and Mpanzu (5'8") at CM. Didn't do them much harm! |  | | |
| Adshead on 21:55 - Jun 20 with 3007 views | DaleiLama |
| Adshead on 21:53 - Jun 20 by judd |
HE'S MOVED ON.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put up and shut up - follow the bury model of not challenging . |
Or paying the piper! | |
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| Adshead on 22:58 - Jun 20 with 2896 views | scarrow |
I see sky are now saying turnbull to Celtic. |  |
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| Adshead on 06:58 - Jun 21 with 2681 views | 1907 |
| Adshead on 21:31 - Jun 20 by judd |
Fine, you're expressing an opinion, as is your right on here.
You cannot possibly know how he might have developed physically or football-wise. My opinion is that you do the coaching staff a disservice.
As.I said earlier, not all.posters have complained about the fee, but the speculation and debate is a direct result of a policy of non-disclosure of transfer fees. It is what it is.
I'll choose to celebrate and move on in my own good time, thank you. Its almost as if you're taking personal credit for the deal. |
Apologies for trying to remain positive amongst endless negativity.
Your final paragraph is just bizarre. | | | |
| Adshead on 08:10 - Jun 21 with 2607 views | judd |
| Adshead on 06:58 - Jun 21 by 1907 |
Apologies for trying to remain positive amongst endless negativity.
Your final paragraph is just bizarre. |
To expect all Rochdale fans to focus purely on whatever positive there may be without questioning, analysing or debating these types of decisions is either worryingly naïve or brazenly arrogant. | |
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| Adshead on 08:59 - Jun 21 with 2539 views | Mass_Debater |
| Adshead on 21:31 - Jun 20 by judd |
Fine, you're expressing an opinion, as is your right on here.
You cannot possibly know how he might have developed physically or football-wise. My opinion is that you do the coaching staff a disservice.
As.I said earlier, not all.posters have complained about the fee, but the speculation and debate is a direct result of a policy of non-disclosure of transfer fees. It is what it is.
I'll choose to celebrate and move on in my own good time, thank you. Its almost as if you're taking personal credit for the deal. |
Or just believing whatever he's been told. | | | |
| Adshead on 09:25 - Jun 21 with 2491 views | 1907 |
| Adshead on 08:10 - Jun 21 by judd |
To expect all Rochdale fans to focus purely on whatever positive there may be without questioning, analysing or debating these types of decisions is either worryingly naïve or brazenly arrogant. |
You’re just trying to make my comments into something they never were.
My point was that we have sold a kid to a premier league club, who in all honesty wouldn’t have made it into our preferred starting line up.
The directors at the club have made a decision that we have received a good deal, as has BBM.
I’m inclined to believe them, as we’ve had experience in this type of transfer before.
Nothing more, nothing less. | | | |
| Adshead on 10:49 - Jun 21 with 2393 views | judd |
| Adshead on 09:25 - Jun 21 by 1907 |
You’re just trying to make my comments into something they never were.
My point was that we have sold a kid to a premier league club, who in all honesty wouldn’t have made it into our preferred starting line up.
The directors at the club have made a decision that we have received a good deal, as has BBM.
I’m inclined to believe them, as we’ve had experience in this type of transfer before.
Nothing more, nothing less. |
No I am not.
How can you possibly know our preferred starting line up, when we have 7 players under offer of contract, none of whom has committed, nor have we signed any new players?
How can you possibly know?
The Directors and their employees remain accountable. They are not omnipotent. I am sure they would not want it any other way.
The experience of this type of transfer before also lends weight to the accuracy of the previous disclosure of undisclosed fees, and the consequent disappointment.
I accept the deal has been done.
I remain sceptical as to the detail of the deal. | |
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| Adshead on 11:58 - Jun 21 with 2292 views | Shun |
| Adshead on 09:25 - Jun 21 by 1907 |
You’re just trying to make my comments into something they never were.
My point was that we have sold a kid to a premier league club, who in all honesty wouldn’t have made it into our preferred starting line up.
The directors at the club have made a decision that we have received a good deal, as has BBM.
I’m inclined to believe them, as we’ve had experience in this type of transfer before.
Nothing more, nothing less. |
‘In all honesty wouldn’t have made it into our preferred starting line up.’
Again, as judd says, that’s impossible to say. Camps and Allen weren’t rated as highly as Dan yet both became first team regulars for years. It can’t be down to his frame either - he’s only 17 so could easily have bulked up, and Will Buckley was even skinnier and was one of the best players in League Two, before going on to have a successful career in The Championship.
Unless you’re BBM, a club employee, or Tiresias then it’s impossible to say how many appearances Dan would’ve had this season. This isn’t a Matty Hughes or Connor Ronan type situation where a virtual unknown was spirited away from our youth team - Adshead’s been around the first team for a couple of years now without ever looking out of place. | | | |
| Adshead on 12:02 - Jun 21 with 2281 views | 1907 |
| Adshead on 11:58 - Jun 21 by Shun |
‘In all honesty wouldn’t have made it into our preferred starting line up.’
Again, as judd says, that’s impossible to say. Camps and Allen weren’t rated as highly as Dan yet both became first team regulars for years. It can’t be down to his frame either - he’s only 17 so could easily have bulked up, and Will Buckley was even skinnier and was one of the best players in League Two, before going on to have a successful career in The Championship.
Unless you’re BBM, a club employee, or Tiresias then it’s impossible to say how many appearances Dan would’ve had this season. This isn’t a Matty Hughes or Connor Ronan type situation where a virtual unknown was spirited away from our youth team - Adshead’s been around the first team for a couple of years now without ever looking out of place. |
Well you can have an educated guess given that BBM barely used him or any of the kids during the run in. | | | |
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