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Churchill and Wales 10:57 - Jan 17 with 26646 viewstrampie


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Churchill and Wales on 11:04 - Jan 17 with 5360 viewstrampie

Reading that article reminds me that I had a close family member that would not have Churchill's name mentioned in the house, he was not liked in many parts of Wales, but he was also not liked in many parts of the UK full stop.
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Churchill and Wales on 12:41 - Jan 17 with 5296 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 11:04 - Jan 17 by trampie

Reading that article reminds me that I had a close family member that would not have Churchill's name mentioned in the house, he was not liked in many parts of Wales, but he was also not liked in many parts of the UK full stop.
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Just to bring a bit of balance here Tramperoo how much do you know about Churchill? I'm guessing about as much as Leanne? His achievements pre-Great War at Lloyd George's right hand were, to my mind, his most notable and lasting. Eclipsing 1940 by some distance. What did he get up to that you may have heard of, Tramp? We can start with his role in the formulation of Lloyd George's Peoples' Budget, the real start of welfare provision for those in need. We can then move on to his radical campaigning role for social reform and the introduction of a minimum wage for the low paid and the attainment of a meal break and refreshments for factory workers. Initiatives to provide unemployment insurance and labour exchanges followed on close behind.

The Goat may have taken the lead and provided much of the intellectual vigour but Churchill was at his side every step of the way. Churchill may have doddered in his dotage but he wasn't always that way.

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Churchill and Wales on 12:47 - Jan 17 with 5281 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 12:41 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

Just to bring a bit of balance here Tramperoo how much do you know about Churchill? I'm guessing about as much as Leanne? His achievements pre-Great War at Lloyd George's right hand were, to my mind, his most notable and lasting. Eclipsing 1940 by some distance. What did he get up to that you may have heard of, Tramp? We can start with his role in the formulation of Lloyd George's Peoples' Budget, the real start of welfare provision for those in need. We can then move on to his radical campaigning role for social reform and the introduction of a minimum wage for the low paid and the attainment of a meal break and refreshments for factory workers. Initiatives to provide unemployment insurance and labour exchanges followed on close behind.

The Goat may have taken the lead and provided much of the intellectual vigour but Churchill was at his side every step of the way. Churchill may have doddered in his dotage but he wasn't always that way.


Read the last two paragraphs of the Wales online article, read what Swansea's professor Stead is quoted as saying.

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Churchill and Wales on 12:56 - Jan 17 with 5254 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 12:47 - Jan 17 by trampie

Read the last two paragraphs of the Wales online article, read what Swansea's professor Stead is quoted as saying.


We're talking about his actions pre-Great War, Tramp. He was a disaster at the Exchequer, no question, but that photo you posted up is from 1912.

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Churchill and Wales on 12:59 - Jan 17 with 5239 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 12:56 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

We're talking about his actions pre-Great War, Tramp. He was a disaster at the Exchequer, no question, but that photo you posted up is from 1912.


No you are talking, the guy was seen as vile and intensely not liked by many.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767

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Churchill and Wales on 13:05 - Jan 17 with 5230 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 12:59 - Jan 17 by trampie

No you are talking, the guy was seen as vile and intensely not liked by many.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767


He was no saint, Tramp, I've never heard anybody claim he was but when weighed most folk would probably not have found him wanting when taken as a whole.

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Churchill and Wales on 13:09 - Jan 17 with 5214 viewssherpajacob




Not just miners, Dockers as well, amongst others.

My grandfather was a,miner and a war veteran and he despised Churchill, considered him and the Kaiser two sides of the same imperialist coin.

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Churchill and Wales on 13:15 - Jan 17 with 5203 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 13:05 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

He was no saint, Tramp, I've never heard anybody claim he was but when weighed most folk would probably not have found him wanting when taken as a whole.


He was hammered in the 1945 election, troops were voting against him in droves says it all.

At least when the Sunday Times did their poll of the greatest people of the Millennium, where they asked a 100 influential international people [from memory world leaders, scientists, even artists etc] and Glyndwr came out top 10, Churchill came nowhere, not even top 20.

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Churchill and Wales on 13:15 - Jan 17 with 5203 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 13:09 - Jan 17 by sherpajacob




Not just miners, Dockers as well, amongst others.

My grandfather was a,miner and a war veteran and he despised Churchill, considered him and the Kaiser two sides of the same imperialist coin.


"Two sides of the same imperialist coin."

Your grandfather, Sherp, let me guess...

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Churchill and Wales on 13:18 - Jan 17 with 5195 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 13:15 - Jan 17 by trampie

He was hammered in the 1945 election, troops were voting against him in droves says it all.

At least when the Sunday Times did their poll of the greatest people of the Millennium, where they asked a 100 influential international people [from memory world leaders, scientists, even artists etc] and Glyndwr came out top 10, Churchill came nowhere, not even top 20.


Back in in '51. What does that tell you?

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Churchill and Wales on 13:26 - Jan 17 with 5176 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 13:18 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

Back in in '51. What does that tell you?


England voted Tory and Wales voted for a then Socialist Labour party, Labour still got more votes than the Conservatives and of course it was not the next election after 1945 as there was one in 1950 which Churchill lost again.

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Churchill and Wales on 13:37 - Jan 17 with 5156 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 13:26 - Jan 17 by trampie

England voted Tory and Wales voted for a then Socialist Labour party, Labour still got more votes than the Conservatives and of course it was not the next election after 1945 as there was one in 1950 which Churchill lost again.


There's a Socialist Labour Party in existence now, Tramp. Why aren't you a supporter?

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Churchill and Wales on 14:45 - Jan 17 with 5111 viewsicecoldjack

Churchill and Wales on 12:41 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

Just to bring a bit of balance here Tramperoo how much do you know about Churchill? I'm guessing about as much as Leanne? His achievements pre-Great War at Lloyd George's right hand were, to my mind, his most notable and lasting. Eclipsing 1940 by some distance. What did he get up to that you may have heard of, Tramp? We can start with his role in the formulation of Lloyd George's Peoples' Budget, the real start of welfare provision for those in need. We can then move on to his radical campaigning role for social reform and the introduction of a minimum wage for the low paid and the attainment of a meal break and refreshments for factory workers. Initiatives to provide unemployment insurance and labour exchanges followed on close behind.

The Goat may have taken the lead and provided much of the intellectual vigour but Churchill was at his side every step of the way. Churchill may have doddered in his dotage but he wasn't always that way.


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Churchill and Wales on 14:52 - Jan 17 with 5094 viewsJack_Kass

He was the PM the country needed at the time, popular or not. Surely that's almost a given?

This myth that he sent troops against the miners, has been debunked, many a time, and has become a parody of itself

Some have written that he sent tanks to Tonypandy, in the first decade of the 20th century, FFS.
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Churchill and Wales on 14:55 - Jan 17 with 5087 viewsBarrySwan

Churchill and Wales on 13:15 - Jan 17 by trampie

He was hammered in the 1945 election, troops were voting against him in droves says it all.

At least when the Sunday Times did their poll of the greatest people of the Millennium, where they asked a 100 influential international people [from memory world leaders, scientists, even artists etc] and Glyndwr came out top 10, Churchill came nowhere, not even top 20.


Is that Owain Glyndwr?

The chap who served in the English army and who was quite happy to live in the lap of luxury with lands and wealth maintained by Welsh peasants and serfs living in abject poverty and servitude under his control until he had a village nicked from under his nose by a neighbouring Lord of the manor which prompted him to go on the rampage?


He seemed quite happy with the situation whilst he was benefitting from having the local Welsh population toiling away for him and his family. Not quite so happy when he started to see it being snatched away.

Or are we talking about a different Glyndwr?
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Churchill and Wales on 15:37 - Jan 17 with 5044 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Churchill was a bit of a c@nt to a lot of people in different country’s all over the world .

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Churchill and Wales on 16:14 - Jan 17 with 4989 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 13:37 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

There's a Socialist Labour Party in existence now, Tramp. Why aren't you a supporter?


It's a Tory party, full of Tory MP's.

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Churchill and Wales on 16:39 - Jan 17 with 4968 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 16:14 - Jan 17 by trampie

It's a Tory party, full of Tory MP's.


That would come as quite a shock to Arthur.

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Churchill and Wales on 17:13 - Jan 17 with 4939 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 16:39 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

That would come as quite a shock to Arthur.


What Arthur would that be ?

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Churchill and Wales on 17:15 - Jan 17 with 4936 viewsLohengrin

Churchill and Wales on 17:13 - Jan 17 by trampie

What Arthur would that be ?


eh?

Scargill, Tramp. Leader of The Socialist Labour Party.

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Churchill and Wales on 17:23 - Jan 17 with 4917 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 17:15 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin

eh?

Scargill, Tramp. Leader of The Socialist Labour Party.


Scargill's Socialist Labour party has nothing to do with the Labour party they stand against Labour, Scargill formed the SLP because Labour abandoned Clause IV, the party was formed as a reaction to New Labour.

Like I said, Labour are Tories, they are universally known to true people on the left as Red Tories.

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Churchill and Wales on 17:28 - Jan 17 with 4910 viewsTreforys_Jack

You do realise he was a product of Victorian nobility which explains some of his less appealing traits. However as i see it without him we would have undoubtedly gone under in 1940.
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Churchill and Wales on 17:38 - Jan 17 with 4897 viewstrampie

Churchill and Wales on 17:28 - Jan 17 by Treforys_Jack

You do realise he was a product of Victorian nobility which explains some of his less appealing traits. However as i see it without him we would have undoubtedly gone under in 1940.


No problem they would have had the leader of the Boer's to replace him.

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Churchill and Wales on 17:47 - Jan 17 with 4885 viewslifelong

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Churchill and Wales on 17:23 - Jan 17 by trampie

Scargill's Socialist Labour party has nothing to do with the Labour party they stand against Labour, Scargill formed the SLP because Labour abandoned Clause IV, the party was formed as a reaction to New Labour.

Like I said, Labour are Tories, they are universally known to true people on the left as Red Tories.


I didn't say it had, Tramp. I said there was a Socialist Labour Party in existence and wondered why you didn't support it?

"True people on the left?" ha!

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