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Reading that article reminds me that I had a close family member that would not have Churchill's name mentioned in the house, he was not liked in many parts of Wales, but he was also not liked in many parts of the UK full stop.
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Reading that article reminds me that I had a close family member that would not have Churchill's name mentioned in the house, he was not liked in many parts of Wales, but he was also not liked in many parts of the UK full stop.
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Just to bring a bit of balance here Tramperoo how much do you know about Churchill? I'm guessing about as much as Leanne? His achievements pre-Great War at Lloyd George's right hand were, to my mind, his most notable and lasting. Eclipsing 1940 by some distance. What did he get up to that you may have heard of, Tramp? We can start with his role in the formulation of Lloyd George's Peoples' Budget, the real start of welfare provision for those in need. We can then move on to his radical campaigning role for social reform and the introduction of a minimum wage for the low paid and the attainment of a meal break and refreshments for factory workers. Initiatives to provide unemployment insurance and labour exchanges followed on close behind.
The Goat may have taken the lead and provided much of the intellectual vigour but Churchill was at his side every step of the way. Churchill may have doddered in his dotage but he wasn't always that way.
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Churchill and Wales on 12:47 - Jan 17 with 5280 views
Churchill and Wales on 12:41 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin
Just to bring a bit of balance here Tramperoo how much do you know about Churchill? I'm guessing about as much as Leanne? His achievements pre-Great War at Lloyd George's right hand were, to my mind, his most notable and lasting. Eclipsing 1940 by some distance. What did he get up to that you may have heard of, Tramp? We can start with his role in the formulation of Lloyd George's Peoples' Budget, the real start of welfare provision for those in need. We can then move on to his radical campaigning role for social reform and the introduction of a minimum wage for the low paid and the attainment of a meal break and refreshments for factory workers. Initiatives to provide unemployment insurance and labour exchanges followed on close behind.
The Goat may have taken the lead and provided much of the intellectual vigour but Churchill was at his side every step of the way. Churchill may have doddered in his dotage but he wasn't always that way.
Read the last two paragraphs of the Wales online article, read what Swansea's professor Stead is quoted as saying.
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He was no saint, Tramp, I've never heard anybody claim he was but when weighed most folk would probably not have found him wanting when taken as a whole.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Churchill and Wales on 13:09 - Jan 17 with 5213 views
Churchill and Wales on 13:05 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin
He was no saint, Tramp, I've never heard anybody claim he was but when weighed most folk would probably not have found him wanting when taken as a whole.
He was hammered in the 1945 election, troops were voting against him in droves says it all.
At least when the Sunday Times did their poll of the greatest people of the Millennium, where they asked a 100 influential international people [from memory world leaders, scientists, even artists etc] and Glyndwr came out top 10, Churchill came nowhere, not even top 20.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
He was hammered in the 1945 election, troops were voting against him in droves says it all.
At least when the Sunday Times did their poll of the greatest people of the Millennium, where they asked a 100 influential international people [from memory world leaders, scientists, even artists etc] and Glyndwr came out top 10, Churchill came nowhere, not even top 20.
Back in in '51. What does that tell you?
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Churchill and Wales on 13:26 - Jan 17 with 5175 views
Churchill and Wales on 13:18 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin
Back in in '51. What does that tell you?
England voted Tory and Wales voted for a then Socialist Labour party, Labour still got more votes than the Conservatives and of course it was not the next election after 1945 as there was one in 1950 which Churchill lost again.
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England voted Tory and Wales voted for a then Socialist Labour party, Labour still got more votes than the Conservatives and of course it was not the next election after 1945 as there was one in 1950 which Churchill lost again.
There's a Socialist Labour Party in existence now, Tramp. Why aren't you a supporter?
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Churchill and Wales on 14:45 - Jan 17 with 5110 views
Churchill and Wales on 12:41 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin
Just to bring a bit of balance here Tramperoo how much do you know about Churchill? I'm guessing about as much as Leanne? His achievements pre-Great War at Lloyd George's right hand were, to my mind, his most notable and lasting. Eclipsing 1940 by some distance. What did he get up to that you may have heard of, Tramp? We can start with his role in the formulation of Lloyd George's Peoples' Budget, the real start of welfare provision for those in need. We can then move on to his radical campaigning role for social reform and the introduction of a minimum wage for the low paid and the attainment of a meal break and refreshments for factory workers. Initiatives to provide unemployment insurance and labour exchanges followed on close behind.
The Goat may have taken the lead and provided much of the intellectual vigour but Churchill was at his side every step of the way. Churchill may have doddered in his dotage but he wasn't always that way.
Sense at last.
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Churchill and Wales on 14:52 - Jan 17 with 5093 views
He was hammered in the 1945 election, troops were voting against him in droves says it all.
At least when the Sunday Times did their poll of the greatest people of the Millennium, where they asked a 100 influential international people [from memory world leaders, scientists, even artists etc] and Glyndwr came out top 10, Churchill came nowhere, not even top 20.
Is that Owain Glyndwr?
The chap who served in the English army and who was quite happy to live in the lap of luxury with lands and wealth maintained by Welsh peasants and serfs living in abject poverty and servitude under his control until he had a village nicked from under his nose by a neighbouring Lord of the manor which prompted him to go on the rampage?
He seemed quite happy with the situation whilst he was benefitting from having the local Welsh population toiling away for him and his family. Not quite so happy when he started to see it being snatched away.
Or are we talking about a different Glyndwr?
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Churchill and Wales on 15:37 - Jan 17 with 5043 views
Churchill and Wales on 17:15 - Jan 17 by Lohengrin
eh?
Scargill, Tramp. Leader of The Socialist Labour Party.
Scargill's Socialist Labour party has nothing to do with the Labour party they stand against Labour, Scargill formed the SLP because Labour abandoned Clause IV, the party was formed as a reaction to New Labour.
Like I said, Labour are Tories, they are universally known to true people on the left as Red Tories.
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You do realise he was a product of Victorian nobility which explains some of his less appealing traits. However as i see it without him we would have undoubtedly gone under in 1940.
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Churchill and Wales on 17:38 - Jan 17 with 4896 views
Churchill and Wales on 17:28 - Jan 17 by Treforys_Jack
You do realise he was a product of Victorian nobility which explains some of his less appealing traits. However as i see it without him we would have undoubtedly gone under in 1940.
No problem they would have had the leader of the Boer's to replace him.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
Scargill's Socialist Labour party has nothing to do with the Labour party they stand against Labour, Scargill formed the SLP because Labour abandoned Clause IV, the party was formed as a reaction to New Labour.
Like I said, Labour are Tories, they are universally known to true people on the left as Red Tories.
I didn't say it had, Tramp. I said there was a Socialist Labour Party in existence and wondered why you didn't support it?
"True people on the left?" ha!
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