| Dunne off? on 13:54 - Jan 23 with 3120 views | LazyFan |
The lure of Sheff Utd is that if he goes there in the January window for a small fee, we get something for someone who was gone on a free at the end of the season.
Jimmy would reluctantly go as they are in the Premier League next season. He would get a contract for way more money than we can offer, and usually, these contracts increase if the club is in the Premier League. He may even get a few Premier League games. I mean, if Manning and Lums can play in the Premier League, then anyone from the Champ can.
Well, anyone apart from Madsen and Ashby obviously. But we used to say that about Manning and Lums so....
If, he has signed then it probably won't be announced until we lose again. Thats what happened with being battered 3-0 by Swansea, we got the announcement of the 3 contracts signed for the kids. Don't look at being battered 3-0, look over there with the 3 younglings signed. Distraction from Norry and it worked!
As we haven't lost for a while, it's hard to tell :P
Also, by delaying announcements, someone could come in for him in Jan, and show their hand. And then Norry says, sorry, he's on a long-term contract, but now we know you want him, let's talk really money.
This trick only works for a few weeks during the Jan window, and probably not if the club does not have the real money anyway. After that, as Norf says, everyone in the industry knows a few weeks later anyway. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 14:12 - Jan 23 with 2985 views | sparkey |
| Dunne off? on 13:54 - Jan 23 by LazyFan |
The lure of Sheff Utd is that if he goes there in the January window for a small fee, we get something for someone who was gone on a free at the end of the season.
Jimmy would reluctantly go as they are in the Premier League next season. He would get a contract for way more money than we can offer, and usually, these contracts increase if the club is in the Premier League. He may even get a few Premier League games. I mean, if Manning and Lums can play in the Premier League, then anyone from the Champ can.
Well, anyone apart from Madsen and Ashby obviously. But we used to say that about Manning and Lums so....
If, he has signed then it probably won't be announced until we lose again. Thats what happened with being battered 3-0 by Swansea, we got the announcement of the 3 contracts signed for the kids. Don't look at being battered 3-0, look over there with the 3 younglings signed. Distraction from Norry and it worked!
As we haven't lost for a while, it's hard to tell :P
Also, by delaying announcements, someone could come in for him in Jan, and show their hand. And then Norry says, sorry, he's on a long-term contract, but now we know you want him, let's talk really money.
This trick only works for a few weeks during the Jan window, and probably not if the club does not have the real money anyway. After that, as Norf says, everyone in the industry knows a few weeks later anyway. |
We announced the contracts after the Leicester game, not Swansea. But yes your point stands.
I personally have seen about 10000 QPR rumours from FLW, zero have had any substance. I wouldn't look into this until a reputable source posts this. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:16 - Jan 23 with 2952 views | Screwed2013 |
| Dunne off? on 13:54 - Jan 23 by LazyFan |
The lure of Sheff Utd is that if he goes there in the January window for a small fee, we get something for someone who was gone on a free at the end of the season.
Jimmy would reluctantly go as they are in the Premier League next season. He would get a contract for way more money than we can offer, and usually, these contracts increase if the club is in the Premier League. He may even get a few Premier League games. I mean, if Manning and Lums can play in the Premier League, then anyone from the Champ can.
Well, anyone apart from Madsen and Ashby obviously. But we used to say that about Manning and Lums so....
If, he has signed then it probably won't be announced until we lose again. Thats what happened with being battered 3-0 by Swansea, we got the announcement of the 3 contracts signed for the kids. Don't look at being battered 3-0, look over there with the 3 younglings signed. Distraction from Norry and it worked!
As we haven't lost for a while, it's hard to tell :P
Also, by delaying announcements, someone could come in for him in Jan, and show their hand. And then Norry says, sorry, he's on a long-term contract, but now we know you want him, let's talk really money.
This trick only works for a few weeks during the Jan window, and probably not if the club does not have the real money anyway. After that, as Norf says, everyone in the industry knows a few weeks later anyway. |
End of the day money talks, clubs would be silly if they were not trying to get him after the figures he has produced and the levels of salary on offer may be enough to turn his head.
He is after one big last contract, he needs to get it right. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:18 - Jan 23 with 2910 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
If he goes, he goes. Good luck to him, more money, play in the PL. U can't really hold it against him.
Personally, I'm not fussed either way.
Now, going back to the thread about Harrison Ashby and whether we should sign him.......... | | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:33 - Jan 23 with 2792 views | BklynRanger |
| Dunne off? on 14:18 - Jan 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
If he goes, he goes. Good luck to him, more money, play in the PL. U can't really hold it against him.
Personally, I'm not fussed either way.
Now, going back to the thread about Harrison Ashby and whether we should sign him.......... |
Why would you not be fussed?
There may be something I can learn from this position and apply in my own life. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:33 - Jan 23 with 2794 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 13:54 - Jan 23 by LazyFan |
The lure of Sheff Utd is that if he goes there in the January window for a small fee, we get something for someone who was gone on a free at the end of the season.
Jimmy would reluctantly go as they are in the Premier League next season. He would get a contract for way more money than we can offer, and usually, these contracts increase if the club is in the Premier League. He may even get a few Premier League games. I mean, if Manning and Lums can play in the Premier League, then anyone from the Champ can.
Well, anyone apart from Madsen and Ashby obviously. But we used to say that about Manning and Lums so....
If, he has signed then it probably won't be announced until we lose again. Thats what happened with being battered 3-0 by Swansea, we got the announcement of the 3 contracts signed for the kids. Don't look at being battered 3-0, look over there with the 3 younglings signed. Distraction from Norry and it worked!
As we haven't lost for a while, it's hard to tell :P
Also, by delaying announcements, someone could come in for him in Jan, and show their hand. And then Norry says, sorry, he's on a long-term contract, but now we know you want him, let's talk really money.
This trick only works for a few weeks during the Jan window, and probably not if the club does not have the real money anyway. After that, as Norf says, everyone in the industry knows a few weeks later anyway. |
"Jimmy would reluctantly go"
I'm not for one moment doubting Jimmy's commitment to us. But if there is anything in this story then I'm not sure he will be that reluctant to go to Sheffield United.
He's 27, so he's coming into his peak playing and earning years.
He could be looking at PL football and PL money next season.
And he would be in line for a promotion bonus this season.
I don't know how generous promotion bonuses are, but given what's at stake I'm guessing it's a fair wedge.
I hope there's nothing in it and he is still with us next season, but I wouldn't blame him if he did take the chance of moving to one of the promotion favourites. [Post edited 23 Jan 14:58]
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| Dunne off? on 14:37 - Jan 23 with 2736 views | NorthantsHoop |
Clubs don't on the whole take risks with players playing so close to the end of a transfer window, if Jimmy is not in the starting line up on Saturday then that may be an indication that he could be on his way. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:47 - Jan 23 with 2678 views | silverbirch |
| Dunne off? on 12:14 - Jan 23 by E17hoop |
Some key words in that article:
eyeing
could
if
could (again) |
Central defender
Would a top championship team buy Dunne to play as a central defender?
And if so, why?
I love him but he’s not in the top five central defenders at Rangers. Indispensable as a right back, though. | | | |
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| Dunne off? on 14:54 - Jan 23 with 2620 views | loftus77 |
If true, my only thought on this is that Sheff Utd might be in the Premier League next season but not the season after.
I reckon they would seriously challenge Derby's record low 11pts total next year in the best Southampton style. No chance of survival. Would Jimmy want to be part of that (inevitable) culture of miserable failure? I know money talks, but so does exhilaration, momentum, enjoyment, hero-worship, optimism and still good money. Everything he has with us now and going forward. [Post edited 23 Jan 14:55]
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| Dunne off? on 14:59 - Jan 23 with 2571 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 12:58 - Jan 23 by nick_hammersmith |
Its not really Nourry's fault if this happens is it?
Same as with the Kolli situation, the club should have offered a fail deal, that reflects what the player is worth, what we can afford against the cost of replacing them in the current market.
If Jimmy leaves its either because he won't sign the new deal, so the club has to accept any offer, or the player themselves fancies more money, or the chance to play at a higher level.
It's strange how some players are given a pass by the fans when this happens.
Charlie Austin vs Manning for example |
Couldn’t it be that the club didn’t offer a very good deal because we spunked the housekeeping on Madsen and Celar?
Who’s fault would that be? [Post edited 23 Jan 15:00]
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| Dunne off? on 15:08 - Jan 23 with 2497 views | Boston |
| Dunne off? on 12:38 - Jan 23 by LongsufferingR |
If he is signing a new deal with us, then I reckon 12 noon on 1st March would be a good time to announce it. |
erm, maybe hanging on for March 17th? | |
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| Dunne off? on 15:19 - Jan 23 with 2448 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Dunne off? on 12:47 - Jan 23 by GaryHaddock |
Will be some interesting gymnastics from the Nourry stans if he hasn’t signed and goes on a free. |
‘stan’? You’re a bit old to be using street slang Bazza. And incorrect of course. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:23 - Jan 23 with 2396 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 14:33 - Jan 23 by BklynRanger |
Why would you not be fussed?
There may be something I can learn from this position and apply in my own life. |
OK, I'll bite. He's not very good.
His improvement is down to two things. MC has found a way to utilise him to his strengths. Namely, set pieces and he has a winger in front, Smyth, who works his socks off doubling up, and covering.
Put Dunne in the PL and he is going to be eaten alive.
All the improvement Dunne has shown is down to MC, and Dunnes own character. Bet he does nothing if he goes to Sheff Utd. Wilder won't have a clue.
For the record I'd like him to stay, but it's not the end of the world if he leaves. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:24 - Jan 23 with 2401 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dunne off? on 14:59 - Jan 23 by GaryHaddock |
Couldn’t it be that the club didn’t offer a very good deal because we spunked the housekeeping on Madsen and Celar?
Who’s fault would that be? [Post edited 23 Jan 15:00]
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I get it, but given how many signings were made last summer (12?)
two or three duds is still a very high success rate.
No-one really knows what was paid out, but I think Madsen and Celar had the biggest fees attached, but even so, they were relatively "cheap" for the championship
I reckon the good business with Varane, Morgan and Kolli is outweighing the risks at the moment.
Providing that the club does start to cash in on its talent and sell when their stock is high.
It would be a lot easier to do this if we were 16th, not going up or down, but with the team just outside the playoffs and the home stretch in sight there is a temptation to keep the band together and give it a shot.
Who'd be a CEO, eh? |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:26 - Jan 23 with 2377 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 15:19 - Jan 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
‘stan’? You’re a bit old to be using street slang Bazza. And incorrect of course. |
Not sure how you’d know anyone’s age unless you were looking it up, which raises a few questions and probably answers some too! | | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:46 - Jan 23 with 2258 views | LongsufferingR |
| Dunne off? on 15:08 - Jan 23 by Boston |
erm, maybe hanging on for March 17th? |
ahh, should have explained. Sheff U at home on 1st March, so would be good to rub their noses in it. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:55 - Jan 23 with 2190 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 15:24 - Jan 23 by nick_hammersmith |
I get it, but given how many signings were made last summer (12?)
two or three duds is still a very high success rate.
No-one really knows what was paid out, but I think Madsen and Celar had the biggest fees attached, but even so, they were relatively "cheap" for the championship
I reckon the good business with Varane, Morgan and Kolli is outweighing the risks at the moment.
Providing that the club does start to cash in on its talent and sell when their stock is high.
It would be a lot easier to do this if we were 16th, not going up or down, but with the team just outside the playoffs and the home stretch in sight there is a temptation to keep the band together and give it a shot.
Who'd be a CEO, eh? |
So to be clear, I don't really disagree with most of that. Players come and go, transfers happen, the earth goes round etc.
The reason I don't like Nourry or people like Nourry isn't really related to transfers. I just don't like the culture changes that come with those kind of appointments. The spin, the manipulations, the marketing, the commodification of things that are supposed to bring us joy.
All the reasons people don't like modern football really.
My original point was more about those that will defend him to the point of obnoxiousness. If they want to claim credit for Varance, Kolli, Morgan or Lloyd (which some of them have) then you got to take the losses too. Losing Dunne on a free or a panicked pittance would be error on Nourry's part as much as getting Kolli a new deal was a success, if that was what happened.
Who'd be a CEO? Hubristic and extremely wealthy men mostly. [Post edited 23 Jan 16:05]
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| Dunne off? on 16:03 - Jan 23 with 2128 views | Dorse |
'Top 10 Reasons Dunne Will Sign For Mystery Club In January - Number 7 Will ASTOUND You!' |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Dunne off? on 16:15 - Jan 23 with 2055 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Dunne off? on 16:03 - Jan 23 by Dorse |
'Top 10 Reasons Dunne Will Sign For Mystery Club In January - Number 7 Will ASTOUND You!' |
"Jimmy Dunne used to be a Teen Princess, you won't believe what she looks like now!" |  |
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| Dunne off? on 16:21 - Jan 23 with 2001 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dunne off? on 15:55 - Jan 23 by GaryHaddock |
So to be clear, I don't really disagree with most of that. Players come and go, transfers happen, the earth goes round etc.
The reason I don't like Nourry or people like Nourry isn't really related to transfers. I just don't like the culture changes that come with those kind of appointments. The spin, the manipulations, the marketing, the commodification of things that are supposed to bring us joy.
All the reasons people don't like modern football really.
My original point was more about those that will defend him to the point of obnoxiousness. If they want to claim credit for Varance, Kolli, Morgan or Lloyd (which some of them have) then you got to take the losses too. Losing Dunne on a free or a panicked pittance would be error on Nourry's part as much as getting Kolli a new deal was a success, if that was what happened.
Who'd be a CEO? Hubristic and extremely wealthy men mostly. [Post edited 23 Jan 16:05]
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Agreed, although I think most CEO's are psychopaths
Nourry seems to be atypical of modern business, he is an expert in the parlance with a confidence far exceeding his experience.
I think he missed some low hanging fruit by not conceding on the recent injury news to us plebs, instead spinning that there was nothing to tell us before.
It would be a real shame if JD left for below value, but that has been happening at QPR for a long time and is probably more an example of how football is, rather than just our club | | | |
| Dunne off? on 16:43 - Jan 23 with 1892 views | terryb |
Do I believe/care about any article from footballleagueworld? No.
Do I think that Sheffield United could enquire about Jimmy? Yes.
I doubt that anyone on this board has any idea as to whether the club have agreed a deal with Dunne, whether they have offered him a new contract that has been turned down, or whether the player has no intention of signing a new contract.
If we have agreed a new contract, brilliant. If we are still negoiating, hopefully we're not a long way apart & a compromise can be found. However, the last scenario would need careful handling!
Not receiving any fee for a Jimmy as a free agent would be a blow for Rangers & should be taken into account on any salary offer made by us. There is also the possibility that the highest wage we can afford is a lot lower than the player values himself. IF that is the case, then Dunne would have to decide whether to accept an offer from Sheffield United (or anyone else) at present or hope to receive something better from a different club in the summer. That would also risk the chance of an injury ruining his future.
Unless the club has decided to say goodbye this summer (good luck in explaining that to supporters!), any move is totally in the hands of Jimmy Dunne. We could not force him to accept a move this January even if it was in our interests for him to leave!
I have no doubt that he has enjoyed his time with us & has a soft spot for the club, but that won't/shouldn't influence his choice. After all, he chose to leave United & Burnley even though they had given his career major boosts. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:03 - Jan 23 with 1774 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
On the Twittery/X/fascist owner (allegedly) thingy that the interest from Sheffield Utd is genuine.
Preference is to sign a new contract and stay at QPR.
Give us £2m and I'd drive him there myself. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:24 - Jan 23 with 1660 views | dmm |
| Dunne off? on 17:03 - Jan 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
On the Twittery/X/fascist owner (allegedly) thingy that the interest from Sheffield Utd is genuine.
Preference is to sign a new contract and stay at QPR.
Give us £2m and I'd drive him there myself. |
He's worth far more to QPR than £2m. And most QPR fans would say that. I honestly have no idea why you have the opinion of Dunne that you do. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:27 - Jan 23 with 1649 views | kensalriser |
We do love to kid ourselves.
Any Champ footballer in Dunne's position is going to take a chunky pay rise on a new contract and the opportunity to test himself at the highest level possible, and as soon as that opportunity comes there'll be a small puff of smoke where he was just standing. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 17:29 - Jan 23 with 1638 views | QPRcounsellor |
Well Jimmy personally told ME last year he never wants to play for a club up north again  | | | |
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