| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? 21:54 - Dec 21 with 4936 views | numptydumpty |
A decent run of form solves a great deal of ills.
I was as worried as most with our direction and it truly wasn't smelling of roses around here for long periods.
I can't say hardly anyone saw this coming but things are seriously looking much much better.
So as for signings
Nardi
Morrison
Varane
Morgan
Saito
All looking good
Signings injured but have had few signs of improvement
Dembele
Celar
Youth players progressing well
Kolli
Lloyd
Other signings - some hopes
Ashby
Madsen
Ones that a way to go
Santos
Bennie
Existing squad players performing / injured
Cook
Dunne
Smyth
Field
Chair
Frey
JCS
Colback
Others
Paal
EDB
Anderson
Seems a squad that does have more depth than previously if we look at recent form.
Was Nourry ster right all along???
And as soon as we have all been made aware of who is injured once when they are due back - has coincided with upturn in form.
Suddenly this forum has all gone quiet on the Nourry Out rhetoric !!!
Am not being a smart a*se. I was worried about the set up as much as anyone,..
Was the data right all along ??
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:44 - Dec 22 with 1570 views | systemsguy |
The pitchforks and lit torches are put away until the new year...
Two difficult away matches where any points we gain will surely be a bonus...
Merry Christmas one and all... Including Mr Nourry |  |
| 2024/2025.... Keep Calm, no matter the season, we'll follow our team..... |
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:45 - Dec 22 with 1568 views | dmm |
Marti should get the credit for finding solutions to the issues resulting from Nourry's decisions. Some of the players too. If we had a lesser manager we'd be in deeper shit.
"Nourry out" for me too. |  | | |
| Where are the on 09:25 - Dec 22 with 1464 views | stevec |
For the first time since I can remember, we have a bench that no longer terrifies me.
Nourry’s job is not putting out an 11 man team, that’s the managers job, it’s about assembling a squad and he is a long way further doing that than the previous DOF managed in eight very long years.
Leave the bloke alone. |  | | |
| Where are the on 09:29 - Dec 22 with 1453 views | GaryHaddock |
| Where are the on 09:25 - Dec 22 by stevec |
For the first time since I can remember, we have a bench that no longer terrifies me.
Nourry’s job is not putting out an 11 man team, that’s the managers job, it’s about assembling a squad and he is a long way further doing that than the previous DOF managed in eight very long years.
Leave the bloke alone. |
I dunno Steve, who's players are scoring the goals? |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:29 - Dec 22 with 1450 views | LongRanger |
MC has found a way to win despite Nourry not because of him, Nourry is and always will be a huge issue in my opinion and should go, for all the reasons written before. Surely no one believes just 4 wins and 3 draws change that…but we can enjoy it the run. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:38 - Dec 22 with 1431 views | JamesB1979 |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:29 - Dec 22 by LongRanger |
MC has found a way to win despite Nourry not because of him, Nourry is and always will be a huge issue in my opinion and should go, for all the reasons written before. Surely no one believes just 4 wins and 3 draws change that…but we can enjoy it the run. |
We’ve also done that with 4 new players being key to that run. Nardi, Varane, Koki and Morrison. Didn’t he also sign Morgan? So 5?
If we extend contracts for Dunne and Kolli, I think people have to say he’s doing ok. We’ve got to be balanced. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:52 - Dec 22 with 1372 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:39 - Dec 21 by nix |
Deffo some mistakes - unbalanced squad agreed. But not all bad. I'm impressed with the age of players coming in - having a couple of 18 year olds good enough to play in the first team plus a 21 year old CB, a good goalie, an excellent DCM who's only 23 all positives. Finding a decent striker is a perennial issue and not just for QPR.
Personally I like Saito and think Dembele shows promise. Fullbacks an issue but when did we last have two excellent FBs who we owned playing regularly?
Still has to prove himself more but has he really recruited that badly compared to previous execs |
Sensible and balanced post Nix.
Most of the signings are the right age and developing very nicely.
Lack of Forwards clearly an issue with the injuries but good that Kolli has stepped up.
Better communication on injuries which are clearing up at last.
Kept faith with Marti and the coaches which is now paying dividends.
Things are looking positive for (most) supporters. |  | | |
| Where are the on 09:57 - Dec 22 with 1345 views | stevec |
| Where are the on 09:29 - Dec 22 by GaryHaddock |
I dunno Steve, who's players are scoring the goals? |
Granted, the forward signings have been less than good, but Nardi, Varane, Morgan and Morrison have been excellent signings.
To be fair, I don’t think many of the signings were brought in to start games, largely they’re here to give us a better bench, they’re young and would have slowly been introduced to the first team. I’d say only Nardi, Dembele and possibly Madsen were brought in to start. Sadly we were quickly decimated by injuries to first team regulars and they’ve all had to play far sooner than intended.
We’ve had a successful first half of 2024 under this regime and a poor second half although that has presently improved. It’ll be interesting to see if the club fall back on the recent improvement as a cushion for the rest of the season, which might easily backfire, or try to do something about CF in Jan and be better set up for the start of next season.
Now is not really the time to be pulling against the existing club structure. | | | |
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:13 - Dec 22 with 1273 views | Mr_Beef |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:29 - Dec 22 by LongRanger |
MC has found a way to win despite Nourry not because of him, Nourry is and always will be a huge issue in my opinion and should go, for all the reasons written before. Surely no one believes just 4 wins and 3 draws change that…but we can enjoy it the run. |
Exactly this. We have a decent manager who has found a way to get the best out of an unbalanced squad. It doesn't take much delving into press conferences over recent weeks to see that all is not well between Cifuentes and Noory. At one point it's likely that one of them will have to go. There's only one answer to that for me, and I wonder how many clubs would be interested in taking Nourry on board whenever he does leave. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:14 - Dec 22 with 1271 views | LisbonR |
We have lost 2 in 12, are unbeaten in 7, and have only conceded 2 goals during that time. All this with a plethora of injuries. We are much better off than last season and have some really good younger players improving and contributing to the squad.
Nourry isn't perfect, but come on, do we really need to be placing the blame so harshly for a few decisions that some don't agree with? I for one am finally enjoying watching QPR at the moment and that's where I personally draw the line.
There's no need for a scapegoat right now, and if we are honest, no football club is perfect. Give the bloke a little more time is what I say. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:37 - Dec 22 with 1229 views | dmm |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:14 - Dec 22 by LisbonR |
We have lost 2 in 12, are unbeaten in 7, and have only conceded 2 goals during that time. All this with a plethora of injuries. We are much better off than last season and have some really good younger players improving and contributing to the squad.
Nourry isn't perfect, but come on, do we really need to be placing the blame so harshly for a few decisions that some don't agree with? I for one am finally enjoying watching QPR at the moment and that's where I personally draw the line.
There's no need for a scapegoat right now, and if we are honest, no football club is perfect. Give the bloke a little more time is what I say. |
You may prove right about Nourry in the long term, but the issues with this CEO are not only about player recruitment. His communication (or rather the lack of it) strategy has pee'd off a large section of the fans and he appears to have shut down Cifuentes' engagement with this site and the supporters evening. That's control freakery which, in my experience, always rings alarm bells. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 11:00 - Dec 22 with 1173 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:32 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
Absolutely shocking summer of recruitment in my opinion, Numpty.
Totally unbalanced, inexperienced squad. Left us in the bottom three for half the season and we've only just gotten out.
Off the field his leadership has been chaotic and naive.
Unfortnately, just as I don't trust the club to adequately replace our outgoing players, I don't trust them to adequately replace Nourry either.
So, for now, I'm just happy that we've played well today. Let's hope it continues in the short term. In the medium to long term I'm still dreaming of the club being run in a professional and competent manner and that would include a change of ownership and the new owners appointing an experienced CEO and an experienced and seperate DoF. |
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 12:36 - Dec 22 with 1094 views | BOSHoop |
i think we also need to look at the players who left the club in the Summer, how many of these were goods decisions, how many would we want to have back now? | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 12:40 - Dec 22 with 1085 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:32 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
Absolutely shocking summer of recruitment in my opinion, Numpty.
Totally unbalanced, inexperienced squad. Left us in the bottom three for half the season and we've only just gotten out.
Off the field his leadership has been chaotic and naive.
Unfortnately, just as I don't trust the club to adequately replace our outgoing players, I don't trust them to adequately replace Nourry either.
So, for now, I'm just happy that we've played well today. Let's hope it continues in the short term. In the medium to long term I'm still dreaming of the club being run in a professional and competent manner and that would include a change of ownership and the new owners appointing an experienced CEO and an experienced and seperate DoF. |
“Absolutely shocking summer of recruitment”
Maybe that might have seemed that way a few months back Brian but is an odd thing to say now.
Some have understandably taken a while to settle but the hits outweigh the misses in my opinion and that’s showing on the pitch.
Nardi, Morrison, Varane, Saito, Morgan have all been excellent. Dembele and Bennie have shown good potential. All of those bar Nardi are young players. Celar, Madsen and Santos still have work to do to convince.
Main mistake was selling and not replacing Dykes and leaving us short up front. | | | |
| Where are the on 13:03 - Dec 22 with 1048 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Where are the on 09:57 - Dec 22 by stevec |
Granted, the forward signings have been less than good, but Nardi, Varane, Morgan and Morrison have been excellent signings.
To be fair, I don’t think many of the signings were brought in to start games, largely they’re here to give us a better bench, they’re young and would have slowly been introduced to the first team. I’d say only Nardi, Dembele and possibly Madsen were brought in to start. Sadly we were quickly decimated by injuries to first team regulars and they’ve all had to play far sooner than intended.
We’ve had a successful first half of 2024 under this regime and a poor second half although that has presently improved. It’ll be interesting to see if the club fall back on the recent improvement as a cushion for the rest of the season, which might easily backfire, or try to do something about CF in Jan and be better set up for the start of next season.
Now is not really the time to be pulling against the existing club structure. |
You don't sell/release Willock, Armstrong and Dykes and dont sign Hayden with the expectation that your new signings won't be starters.
Maybe Morgan and Morrison, but that just highlights how unbalanced the squad is.
Nourry is getting away with it as MC has sacrificed style over substance. To play the QPR way which he banged on about (or implied) means the squad still needs a massive overhaul again next summer. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 14:07 - Dec 22 with 937 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 12:40 - Dec 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
“Absolutely shocking summer of recruitment”
Maybe that might have seemed that way a few months back Brian but is an odd thing to say now.
Some have understandably taken a while to settle but the hits outweigh the misses in my opinion and that’s showing on the pitch.
Nardi, Morrison, Varane, Saito, Morgan have all been excellent. Dembele and Bennie have shown good potential. All of those bar Nardi are young players. Celar, Madsen and Santos still have work to do to convince.
Main mistake was selling and not replacing Dykes and leaving us short up front. |
Very balanced conversation. Enjoyed catching up with it.
Some players have worked out nicely, some haven't, some might yet. I think that's fair to say, as it was fair to say under Ferdinand.
But the squad is chronically unbalanced in teerms of positional strength and style(s), and that's my concern. And that, imo, along with the injuries, is the main reason we've spent half a season playing poor football and propping up the division. |  |
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| Where are the on 14:52 - Dec 22 with 853 views | numptydumpty |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 14:07 - Dec 22 by BrianMcCarthy |
Very balanced conversation. Enjoyed catching up with it.
Some players have worked out nicely, some haven't, some might yet. I think that's fair to say, as it was fair to say under Ferdinand.
But the squad is chronically unbalanced in teerms of positional strength and style(s), and that's my concern. And that, imo, along with the injuries, is the main reason we've spent half a season playing poor football and propping up the division. |
Usually there is only one or two changes incoming/outgoing in the January window.
But if we can get a couple different full backs and perhaps with Cook out, another solid centre back, then perhaps the only other required addition could be a number nine.
We got rid of Dozzell and reasonable money in for Dykes and Armstrong.
I guess the proof is within the long term effects.
A lot of the new players could potentially work over a longer period. We shall see. [Post edited 22 Dec 14:54]
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 15:21 - Dec 22 with 784 views | baz_qpr |
We have a tendency in this modern age to have the pitchforks if success is not instant (also applies to the new government). The reality of anyone coming into any new role is they will make mistakes and in the real world that is how you learn and get better at what you do. There is good and there is bad in the recruitment, you can't right all the wrongs in a single transfer window when you have small budget. The issues are less in what we have but in what we dont have. I dont think Marti is without fault in the start either and by sticking with him we have enabled him to correct those mistakes and find a way. I see no reason to change anything at the moment. We need to focus on contract renewals now, and tie down Kolli, Dunne, Cook and Chair for extension. and recruit for a left back and another forward |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 15:42 - Dec 22 with 731 views | dmm |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 15:21 - Dec 22 by baz_qpr |
We have a tendency in this modern age to have the pitchforks if success is not instant (also applies to the new government). The reality of anyone coming into any new role is they will make mistakes and in the real world that is how you learn and get better at what you do. There is good and there is bad in the recruitment, you can't right all the wrongs in a single transfer window when you have small budget. The issues are less in what we have but in what we dont have. I dont think Marti is without fault in the start either and by sticking with him we have enabled him to correct those mistakes and find a way. I see no reason to change anything at the moment. We need to focus on contract renewals now, and tie down Kolli, Dunne, Cook and Chair for extension. and recruit for a left back and another forward |
I'd like to agree about the contract renewals but the thing is, because Nourry doesn't want to communicate about them, we may never know one way or another until players depart. The players you mention may even have had their contracts renewed already. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 18:06 - Dec 22 with 607 views | WestonsuperR |
It was too early to judge Nourry and still is, typical of fans in general to be so reactionary. The reality is the new signings have really started to settle in and for all the criticism aimed at Nourry for the awful start then being fair deserves some credit for a turn around,and that in general the signings are starting to look fairly good, with some exceptions.
Still a very odd decision to start with just 2 seniors Forwards with 1 Championship goal between them, would like to hear an explanation of how that happened.
Let’s judge Nourry end of the season. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 18:43 - Dec 22 with 515 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:32 - Dec 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
Absolutely shocking summer of recruitment in my opinion, Numpty.
Totally unbalanced, inexperienced squad. Left us in the bottom three for half the season and we've only just gotten out.
Off the field his leadership has been chaotic and naive.
Unfortnately, just as I don't trust the club to adequately replace our outgoing players, I don't trust them to adequately replace Nourry either.
So, for now, I'm just happy that we've played well today. Let's hope it continues in the short term. In the medium to long term I'm still dreaming of the club being run in a professional and competent manner and that would include a change of ownership and the new owners appointing an experienced CEO and an experienced and seperate DoF. |
This. Nail on head. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 19:23 - Dec 22 with 462 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 18:06 - Dec 22 by WestonsuperR |
It was too early to judge Nourry and still is, typical of fans in general to be so reactionary. The reality is the new signings have really started to settle in and for all the criticism aimed at Nourry for the awful start then being fair deserves some credit for a turn around,and that in general the signings are starting to look fairly good, with some exceptions.
Still a very odd decision to start with just 2 seniors Forwards with 1 Championship goal between them, would like to hear an explanation of how that happened.
Let’s judge Nourry end of the season. |
I don't think the issue with Nourry is the signings, most of us know that they take time to settle etc. I've defended Celar and Madsen on here numerous times.
You can't though go into a season depleted in key positions. That is just fckin stupid.
Bizarrely some on here defend Nourry while at the same time sl*gging off his signings - Madsen & Celar mostly.
It's a shame Nourry has become so divisive within the fan base. Thank God for Marti though. | | | |
| Where are the on 19:30 - Dec 22 with 435 views | numptydumpty |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:37 - Dec 22 by dmm |
You may prove right about Nourry in the long term, but the issues with this CEO are not only about player recruitment. His communication (or rather the lack of it) strategy has pee'd off a large section of the fans and he appears to have shut down Cifuentes' engagement with this site and the supporters evening. That's control freakery which, in my experience, always rings alarm bells. |
Of which he has learnt from and readapted the ways of communicating injuries.
There is a heck of a lot more depth to this squad than previous seasons.
We have achieved a recovery and this season we have had a dreadful injury record which seems to be jinxing us big time this last few months.
The banging on the Nourry drum is IMO very harsh.
He is a young man no doubt and he has a lot of power here - probably too much but the proof of this strategy is over a number of years ie having players we can make money on if they move onto bigger and better things.
The running of the football club has to be thought in this way as we are never going to up our status whilst we play at Loftus Road so this is the way to do it.
And we can all see certain players have that potential.
There is always an issue in football that everything has to be immediate or else.
We definitely in my eyes have the right manager and pleased we did not knee jerk react to us being bottom of the table and likewise with the hierarchy we have to give it time.
Most successful clubs have provided a base that has been set for longevity. Glad on all counts we havent been too present focussed.
Lets see where we are at the end of next season. I think most parts of the club must be given time. There are green shoots and we have to see where it all leads us.
Yes there were two strange decisions in the left back and centre forward decisions. Didnt we get a million for Dykes and I think that fell into the category of passing on a player we could have not got more for and tbf Dykes was never a success here.
The left back situation - I think they felt Fox who can play left back , Clarke Salter who can play there and obviously we had Paal and then they brought in Ashby last minute thinking he could cover too. Three injuries and one guy playing who could not adapt as well as may have been thought to playing on the other side. I was surprised Larkeche went on loan but now he is injured anyhow also at Dundee.
We all know you cant get every decision right. Sometimes hardly any signings work out but to expect all of them to work from the word go is a harsh expectation. Lets see where we get to in the next eighteen months.
I am hopeful without being deluded. The eternal fate of a QPR suppporter... [Post edited 22 Dec 19:47]
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 20:09 - Dec 22 with 336 views | Pdog |
Can it still be considered an absolutely shocking summer of recruitment and the 'worst squad of players since the 2001 relegation', while also witnessing Nardi, Morrison, Varane, and Morgan visibly excel and play pivotal roles in our recent form?
It was never going to be a 100% hit rate, and the above may still flop. The lack of strikers is a valid criticism, but with Paal having played every game last 2 seasons and Fox proving a solid backup last year, why not let Ziyad go out on loan to develop and free up some budget..
Those gambles backfired, so might Madsen, Santos & Celar. Yet why not wait to see how the season plays out now that we're no longer 'doomed for L1'.. (or perhaps we still are).
Back the winners, dump the losers, and learn from the summer’s mistakes. If he's as smart as he believes himself to be, he won't repeat those blunders twice. And if he does, i'll join you with the pitchfork and flaming torch to storm the gates. |  | | |
| Where are the on 20:45 - Dec 22 with 248 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Where are the on 19:30 - Dec 22 by numptydumpty |
Of which he has learnt from and readapted the ways of communicating injuries.
There is a heck of a lot more depth to this squad than previous seasons.
We have achieved a recovery and this season we have had a dreadful injury record which seems to be jinxing us big time this last few months.
The banging on the Nourry drum is IMO very harsh.
He is a young man no doubt and he has a lot of power here - probably too much but the proof of this strategy is over a number of years ie having players we can make money on if they move onto bigger and better things.
The running of the football club has to be thought in this way as we are never going to up our status whilst we play at Loftus Road so this is the way to do it.
And we can all see certain players have that potential.
There is always an issue in football that everything has to be immediate or else.
We definitely in my eyes have the right manager and pleased we did not knee jerk react to us being bottom of the table and likewise with the hierarchy we have to give it time.
Most successful clubs have provided a base that has been set for longevity. Glad on all counts we havent been too present focussed.
Lets see where we are at the end of next season. I think most parts of the club must be given time. There are green shoots and we have to see where it all leads us.
Yes there were two strange decisions in the left back and centre forward decisions. Didnt we get a million for Dykes and I think that fell into the category of passing on a player we could have not got more for and tbf Dykes was never a success here.
The left back situation - I think they felt Fox who can play left back , Clarke Salter who can play there and obviously we had Paal and then they brought in Ashby last minute thinking he could cover too. Three injuries and one guy playing who could not adapt as well as may have been thought to playing on the other side. I was surprised Larkeche went on loan but now he is injured anyhow also at Dundee.
We all know you cant get every decision right. Sometimes hardly any signings work out but to expect all of them to work from the word go is a harsh expectation. Lets see where we get to in the next eighteen months.
I am hopeful without being deluded. The eternal fate of a QPR suppporter... [Post edited 22 Dec 19:47]
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Ashby was brought in because Santos is crap, nothing to do with covering left back. | | | |
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