| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:23 - Aug 17 with 2870 views | pete |
As good as it is the article in my opinion does not take into account that our on the ground here chairman has stated planning was well ahead of where it should be and targets found, if planning was so far ahead why was/is not the financial planning on a simular situation?
Every manager swansea have had has been let down by the U S A owners and this window is no different, you can see L W attitude has changed in his press meetings he cannot be happy as would you or ,i promises broken yet again , how is it teams with HUGE debt go and still bring in quality high priced guys ?and i am not saying we should , but sorry but for me these current usa owners have not done the club any favours and what an article to put out just before the first home game, sorry to say but unless they invest a lot more it div 1 here we come |  | |  |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:26 - Aug 17 with 2827 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:23 - Aug 17 by pete |
As good as it is the article in my opinion does not take into account that our on the ground here chairman has stated planning was well ahead of where it should be and targets found, if planning was so far ahead why was/is not the financial planning on a simular situation?
Every manager swansea have had has been let down by the U S A owners and this window is no different, you can see L W attitude has changed in his press meetings he cannot be happy as would you or ,i promises broken yet again , how is it teams with HUGE debt go and still bring in quality high priced guys ?and i am not saying we should , but sorry but for me these current usa owners have not done the club any favours and what an article to put out just before the first home game, sorry to say but unless they invest a lot more it div 1 here we come |
We are run on a shoestring
It is inevitable we return to the fourth level.
Nothing is more certain.
At least some fans can then sit where they want and maybe even stroll along five mins to ko. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:29 - Aug 17 with 2852 views | Boundy |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:26 - Aug 17 by onehunglow |
We are run on a shoestring
It is inevitable we return to the fourth level.
Nothing is more certain.
At least some fans can then sit where they want and maybe even stroll along five mins to ko. |
I remember the gates being open at half time to allow any man walking his dog free entry, god forbid we head back in that direction . | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:44 - Aug 17 with 2784 views | fbreath |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:23 - Aug 17 by pete |
As good as it is the article in my opinion does not take into account that our on the ground here chairman has stated planning was well ahead of where it should be and targets found, if planning was so far ahead why was/is not the financial planning on a simular situation?
Every manager swansea have had has been let down by the U S A owners and this window is no different, you can see L W attitude has changed in his press meetings he cannot be happy as would you or ,i promises broken yet again , how is it teams with HUGE debt go and still bring in quality high priced guys ?and i am not saying we should , but sorry but for me these current usa owners have not done the club any favours and what an article to put out just before the first home game, sorry to say but unless they invest a lot more it div 1 here we come |
Chairman talks a good job but hopes people will forget things said a few months ago.
He doesn’t know football supporters very well. |  |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:56 - Aug 17 with 2755 views | magicdaps10 |
This isn't really a good reflection on them.
Why spend so much time in even talking with Campbell knowing we can't compete with wages....talking to him isn't going to convince him like we are holding a bunch of magic beans.
The Ott situation is different, we were able to afford the 1M transfer fee and his wage well within budget.....the club just didn't factor in that he was not going to obtain a work permit and wasn't ticking off one of the requirements to allow him to take one of the non WP quotas.
Regardless off budgets, it was told they would be working harder, wiser and working the globe.
When doing this work then work within the bleeding budget before approaching agents and players.
It's hardly rocket science just sound planning and hard work. |  |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 09:20 - Aug 17 with 2674 views | KeithHaynes |
Didn’t hear about the work permit situation, but you could well have better information, however, the agent the Swans came up against tried it on and the Swans did walk away as a result. I have to add though Daps, the fee wasn’t that much of an issue because it was early in the window. Now it would be.,
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/62585/gautier-ott-signin
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:32 - Aug 17 with 2414 views | union_jack |
I’m still of the belief that Martin Morgan and maybe a consortium around him will take over the club again in the future. It may be a stipulation that the Balance Sheet is healthy before it happens.
This is a hunch and based on zero information I must add. |  |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:36 - Aug 17 with 2408 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:32 - Aug 17 by union_jack |
I’m still of the belief that Martin Morgan and maybe a consortium around him will take over the club again in the future. It may be a stipulation that the Balance Sheet is healthy before it happens.
This is a hunch and based on zero information I must add. |
Maybe they would have already had other factors at other clubs not occurred. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:39 - Aug 17 with 2381 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:36 - Aug 17 by KeithHaynes |
Maybe they would have already had other factors at other clubs not occurred. |
What factors are those Keith? | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:39 - Aug 17 with 2388 views | dobjack2 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:23 - Aug 17 by pete |
As good as it is the article in my opinion does not take into account that our on the ground here chairman has stated planning was well ahead of where it should be and targets found, if planning was so far ahead why was/is not the financial planning on a simular situation?
Every manager swansea have had has been let down by the U S A owners and this window is no different, you can see L W attitude has changed in his press meetings he cannot be happy as would you or ,i promises broken yet again , how is it teams with HUGE debt go and still bring in quality high priced guys ?and i am not saying we should , but sorry but for me these current usa owners have not done the club any favours and what an article to put out just before the first home game, sorry to say but unless they invest a lot more it div 1 here we come |
Lack of experience and naivety perhaps on one side and American bs on the other.
I suspect that we have mainly looked overseas as the UK based players that could improve the team would want more than £6,500 a week to come here.
How many players are looking to run down their contracts or actively look for a move for next season?
At this rate we'll be one of the best run clubs in League 1 before too long. | | | |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:47 - Aug 17 with 2330 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:39 - Aug 17 by union_jack |
What factors are those Keith? |
I can’t say anything more.
But it could be easily worked out. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:48 - Aug 17 with 2324 views | Luther27 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 08:23 - Aug 17 by pete |
As good as it is the article in my opinion does not take into account that our on the ground here chairman has stated planning was well ahead of where it should be and targets found, if planning was so far ahead why was/is not the financial planning on a simular situation?
Every manager swansea have had has been let down by the U S A owners and this window is no different, you can see L W attitude has changed in his press meetings he cannot be happy as would you or ,i promises broken yet again , how is it teams with HUGE debt go and still bring in quality high priced guys ?and i am not saying we should , but sorry but for me these current usa owners have not done the club any favours and what an article to put out just before the first home game, sorry to say but unless they invest a lot more it div 1 here we come |
And no doubt Cole will be in the bar at an away match buying a few drinks for the few fans there and saying what a great bunch Swans fans are.
Every transfer window is a cut and paste job of the previous. Then again last January window was unparalleled even by their standards. | | | |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:49 - Aug 17 with 2297 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:48 - Aug 17 by Luther27 |
And no doubt Cole will be in the bar at an away match buying a few drinks for the few fans there and saying what a great bunch Swans fans are.
Every transfer window is a cut and paste job of the previous. Then again last January window was unparalleled even by their standards. |
The one before 😂 | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:53 - Aug 17 with 2254 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 10:39 - Aug 17 by dobjack2 |
Lack of experience and naivety perhaps on one side and American bs on the other.
I suspect that we have mainly looked overseas as the UK based players that could improve the team would want more than £6,500 a week to come here.
How many players are looking to run down their contracts or actively look for a move for next season?
At this rate we'll be one of the best run clubs in League 1 before too long. |
There are only so many overseas players you are allowed to bring in. Add to that British based players normally want more money to come here not less due to our location, often players can change clubs in central England without actually moving. The whole lack of football knowledge and experience is hitting us hard. You can have a plan but if it is flawed you are doomed to fail. Nobody can deny, except one, since the Americans took control 8 years ago we have been on a downward spiral and there is no sign of it coming to an end. [Post edited 17 Aug 10:55]
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:07 - Aug 17 with 2169 views | magicdaps10 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 09:20 - Aug 17 by KeithHaynes |
Didn’t hear about the work permit situation, but you could well have better information, however, the agent the Swans came up against tried it on and the Swans did walk away as a result. I have to add though Daps, the fee wasn’t that much of an issue because it was early in the window. Now it would be.,
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/62585/gautier-ott-signin
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The initial payment was low so no worry, it was wrong to mention the 1M because that fee was further down the road with add ons.
It shouldn't have got to the point of agents because he was never getting a WP or passing the criteria to even come in as a non WP player like Ronald and Eom did.
That was an absolute clusterfook. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:12 - Aug 17 with 2131 views | AnotherJohn |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:07 - Aug 17 by magicdaps10 |
The initial payment was low so no worry, it was wrong to mention the 1M because that fee was further down the road with add ons.
It shouldn't have got to the point of agents because he was never getting a WP or passing the criteria to even come in as a non WP player like Ronald and Eom did.
That was an absolute clusterfook. |
The OP is right to suggest we are unlikely to sign many of our first choice targets. However, I also wonder about how the tough agents will fare, because there are only so many places available in EPL and EFL squads and many players on their books are going to be priced out of the market. I would expect to see quite a few casting around in desperation as the window closes, so there may be some bargains at that stage. | | | |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:24 - Aug 17 with 2067 views | Dr_Winston |
Here in this thread you have some classic examples of what is wrong with the modern football fan, and unfortunately a lot of ours whom our Premier League run somehow convinced that we should be spending millions every window.
The same people whining about us trying to live within our means or on a "shoestring" would undoubtedly be the first ones to complain if we cop a points deduction for breaking FFP rules. Whiny, spoilt, entitled children who want everything their own way.
Doing things differently used to be a badge of honour around here. We played our way to the Premier League by being smarter than the clubs around us. Clubs with significantly bigger budgets. Now apparently it's unacceptable to even try it.
Better if the club stopped even trying to communicate with these people. |  |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:50 - Aug 17 with 1972 views | magicdaps10 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:24 - Aug 17 by Dr_Winston |
Here in this thread you have some classic examples of what is wrong with the modern football fan, and unfortunately a lot of ours whom our Premier League run somehow convinced that we should be spending millions every window.
The same people whining about us trying to live within our means or on a "shoestring" would undoubtedly be the first ones to complain if we cop a points deduction for breaking FFP rules. Whiny, spoilt, entitled children who want everything their own way.
Doing things differently used to be a badge of honour around here. We played our way to the Premier League by being smarter than the clubs around us. Clubs with significantly bigger budgets. Now apparently it's unacceptable to even try it.
Better if the club stopped even trying to communicate with these people. |
I think most posts on here are fair and not really calling for us to spend money that's not available.
We all know the limitations that we as many clubs in this league have! I think it's just a case of frustration from some that words from within the club have materialised to the level of F all once again.
People are getting fed up of hearing false promises and words not being backed up.
The club has created trouble for themselves once again. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:18 - Aug 17 with 1768 views | dobjack2 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:24 - Aug 17 by Dr_Winston |
Here in this thread you have some classic examples of what is wrong with the modern football fan, and unfortunately a lot of ours whom our Premier League run somehow convinced that we should be spending millions every window.
The same people whining about us trying to live within our means or on a "shoestring" would undoubtedly be the first ones to complain if we cop a points deduction for breaking FFP rules. Whiny, spoilt, entitled children who want everything their own way.
Doing things differently used to be a badge of honour around here. We played our way to the Premier League by being smarter than the clubs around us. Clubs with significantly bigger budgets. Now apparently it's unacceptable to even try it.
Better if the club stopped even trying to communicate with these people. |
The problem is overpromising and under delivering. To fans, certainly; managers probably and players possibly.
Cabango and Darling contracts are up at the end of the season. Are they going to sign new contracts or let them run down? | | | |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:24 - Aug 17 with 1749 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:18 - Aug 17 by dobjack2 |
The problem is overpromising and under delivering. To fans, certainly; managers probably and players possibly.
Cabango and Darling contracts are up at the end of the season. Are they going to sign new contracts or let them run down? |
Why do they overpromise? Can you imagine the reaction if at the start of the Summer they said "We're only going to spend what we can raise in sales and salary savings"? How long do you think it would be before burning effigies of all involved were hanging from lamp posts near the stadium? Being quiet probably isn't an option either. People already moan if they don't say enough.
Frankly I'd prefer the honest approach. Few others would. Managing the expectations of people who don't have the slightest grasp or understanding of just how murderously expensive it is to run a Championship football club is probably one of the hardest jobs they've got. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:43 - Aug 17 with 1689 views | dobjack2 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:24 - Aug 17 by Dr_Winston |
Why do they overpromise? Can you imagine the reaction if at the start of the Summer they said "We're only going to spend what we can raise in sales and salary savings"? How long do you think it would be before burning effigies of all involved were hanging from lamp posts near the stadium? Being quiet probably isn't an option either. People already moan if they don't say enough.
Frankly I'd prefer the honest approach. Few others would. Managing the expectations of people who don't have the slightest grasp or understanding of just how murderously expensive it is to run a Championship football club is probably one of the hardest jobs they've got. |
I'd prefer honesty and realism as well, but they don't look as if they're on the table
The issue with under delivering on a regular basis is that over time you lose both season ticket holders and casual fans so that even more savings are required and get into a spiral.
The easiest way to become a millionaire is still being a billionaire and buying a football club. | | | |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:47 - Aug 17 with 1666 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:50 - Aug 17 by magicdaps10 |
I think most posts on here are fair and not really calling for us to spend money that's not available.
We all know the limitations that we as many clubs in this league have! I think it's just a case of frustration from some that words from within the club have materialised to the level of F all once again.
People are getting fed up of hearing false promises and words not being backed up.
The club has created trouble for themselves once again. |
Fans have hopes and dreams .
Without them,it is pointless
It is all about the glory
Fans don’t have purse strings
Those that think they know exactly how to run a club like ours shouod have put their money where their gobs are
Fans supposed to be always rational,sensible and measured ? Just xxxx off . Utter garbage .
Fans have a duty to react and overreact.
The calm ,the business acumen ,the financial expertise is on the shoulders of those who own
Ours are lacking all three | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:48 - Aug 17 with 1668 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:43 - Aug 17 by dobjack2 |
I'd prefer honesty and realism as well, but they don't look as if they're on the table
The issue with under delivering on a regular basis is that over time you lose both season ticket holders and casual fans so that even more savings are required and get into a spiral.
The easiest way to become a millionaire is still being a billionaire and buying a football club. |
No doubt.
It was easier last time because we built from nothing and expectations were adjusted accordingly. Now people seem to expect four or five £1m+ signings every window, and we just can't afford that. Eight figure sums are being effectively written off every six months just to keep us level whilst all the time people complain about the lack of "investment".
Personally I'd say there was still quite a bit of wastage in the wage bill. Grimes alone is earning at least double what he should be. | |
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| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:51 - Aug 17 with 1657 views | Luther27 |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:24 - Aug 17 by Dr_Winston |
Here in this thread you have some classic examples of what is wrong with the modern football fan, and unfortunately a lot of ours whom our Premier League run somehow convinced that we should be spending millions every window.
The same people whining about us trying to live within our means or on a "shoestring" would undoubtedly be the first ones to complain if we cop a points deduction for breaking FFP rules. Whiny, spoilt, entitled children who want everything their own way.
Doing things differently used to be a badge of honour around here. We played our way to the Premier League by being smarter than the clubs around us. Clubs with significantly bigger budgets. Now apparently it's unacceptable to even try it.
Better if the club stopped even trying to communicate with these people. |
I would very much prefer they stopped treating us as gullible in the first place. I’m far from a plastic I can assure you but when I look at the number of players moved on versus what’s come in then I’m entitled to voice my opinion.
One poster here….maybe yourself…said we are managing within budget regarding our playing staff but it’s expensive to run a football club. Well there’s no bloody hope then is there. As I suggested perhaps we should look for a productivity review in the boardroom itself. | | | |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 13:57 - Aug 17 with 1627 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City The genuine facts on this summer’s transfer problems. on 11:07 - Aug 17 by magicdaps10 |
The initial payment was low so no worry, it was wrong to mention the 1M because that fee was further down the road with add ons.
It shouldn't have got to the point of agents because he was never getting a WP or passing the criteria to even come in as a non WP player like Ronald and Eom did.
That was an absolute clusterfook. |
As I said the back story we stand by.
Your information wasn’t revealed to us 👍
Can’t know it all though. Cheers. | |
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