| Balogun? 16:58 - Jul 6 with 25603 views | stainrods_elbow |
Like Mr Martin, it appears that he's been released only to be, er, retained, because - stone the crows - we're a basket case of a club. Regardless, he's currently 'back out on the grass' and apparently working 'incredibly hard' to get fit, according to GA.
I don't really know what to think about the guy - he's 35, seemingly as injury-prone (and sometimes clanger-prone) as they come (to us), and then there was that argy-bargy with the away support last season. On the other hand, he's experienced, internationally credentialled, looked pretty good for a short while under Beale (sorry), and we all know it's likely to be a bit Keystone Kops this year, so maybe it's better the devil we know. Perhaps he could be our Frank McClintock 75-76, or even 76-77. Trust we in GA on this one?
If it were a choice of Martin or Leon, I guess I'd plump for the latter - though I can't help feeling if either of them are the answer(s), we're asking the wrong question.
Sigh! [Post edited 6 Jul 2023 17:00]
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| Balogun? on 17:19 - Jul 6 with 7749 views | ozexile |
I personally wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. But I'll gladly eat my words at the end of the season. |  | | |
| Balogun? on 17:48 - Jul 6 with 7596 views | vanrrrr |
Averaged under 10 games a season since 2018 ?.
we get what we deserve if he gets a contract that is not pay for play | | | |
| Balogun? on 17:49 - Jul 6 with 7600 views | ted_hendrix |
We're not exactly blessed with choice at the moment, we can't go shopping with a Shopping Trolley our mode of player shopping Is with a second hand bloody bin liner.
That's how I see It and we'll just have to get on with It and leave It to Ainsworth.
I was never quite sure about Balogun but then I'm not a football Manager. |  |
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| Balogun? on 18:08 - Jul 6 with 7485 views | MedwayR |
He's been released but we have to provide him with the time and support to get fit. In the meantime, we've got a light squad so makes sense to take him to Austria as part of his recovery, mutually beneficial. I'll be surprised if we re-sign him. |  |
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| Balogun? on 18:19 - Jul 6 with 7437 views | HAYESBOY |
Not got a problem with his age or his ability.
Its his availability, or lack of. |  |
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| Balogun? on 18:26 - Jul 6 with 7396 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Balogun? on 18:08 - Jul 6 by MedwayR |
He's been released but we have to provide him with the time and support to get fit. In the meantime, we've got a light squad so makes sense to take him to Austria as part of his recovery, mutually beneficial. I'll be surprised if we re-sign him. |
Why will you be surprised? We signed (and may be re-signing) Martin! It's exactly the kind of thing I'd put money on us doing if I were a betting man instead of a mental man for following QPR.
Tbh, though, if we have to sell two or three of Dieng, Willock, Chair, and Field just to keep the right side of FFP - unlike, apparently, the likes of Brentford, Luton, Millwall, and whoever else is sailing over the horizon this week - in the story of downwardly managed expectations narrated by Ferdinand, Hoos and the PE teachers, what is the freakin' point again? [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 10:47]
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| Balogun? on 18:29 - Jul 6 with 7379 views | MedwayR |
| Balogun? on 18:26 - Jul 6 by stainrods_elbow |
Why will you be surprised? We signed (and may be re-signing) Martin! It's exactly the kind of thing I'd put money on us doing if I were a betting man instead of a mental man for following QPR.
Tbh, though, if we have to sell two or three of Dieng, Willock, Chair, and Field just to keep the right side of FFP - unlike, apparently, the likes of Brentford, Luton, Millwall, and whoever else is sailing over the horizon this week - in the story of downwardly managed expectations narrated by Ferdinand, Hoos and the PE teachers, what is the freakin' point again? [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 10:47]
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Because it's dead money, surely even we realise that by now. When we're as skint as we are we can't afford to waste money on players who aren't available, we need robust players and that seems to be Ainsworth's type of player too. Which rules out Balogun.
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| Balogun? on 18:53 - Jul 6 with 7285 views | EastR |
So his contract expired at the end of June but we're allowing him to train with he club as a good will gesture.
Now we've added him to the pre season tour, again to maintain his fitness etc
But not under contract
Given his track record of injuries, what happens if he was to get a career ending injury on one of those those lumpy looking pitches? | |
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| Balogun? on 18:59 - Jul 6 with 7258 views | PunteR |
He blamed the medical staff for his injury relapses last season. Maybe the club are just trying to right a wrong by getting him fit again. He doesnt have a club does he so would make sense he's still here if they did fk up . ? |  |
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| Balogun? on 19:09 - Jul 6 with 7186 views | stainrods_elbow |
It's also a question of who we can get to come to us right now. Balogun at least has the merit of never having actually left!  | |
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| Balogun? on 19:10 - Jul 6 with 7183 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Balogun? on 18:59 - Jul 6 by PunteR |
He blamed the medical staff for his injury relapses last season. Maybe the club are just trying to right a wrong by getting him fit again. He doesnt have a club does he so would make sense he's still here if they did fk up . ? |
Interesting! Where did he say that and what did he say? | |
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| Balogun? on 19:59 - Jul 6 with 7043 views | QPR_John |
| Balogun? on 18:53 - Jul 6 by EastR |
So his contract expired at the end of June but we're allowing him to train with he club as a good will gesture.
Now we've added him to the pre season tour, again to maintain his fitness etc
But not under contract
Given his track record of injuries, what happens if he was to get a career ending injury on one of those those lumpy looking pitches? |
I maybe wrong but the club have to help him get fit if he has not got a club even though his contract has expired. | | | |
| Balogun? on 20:45 - Jul 6 with 6893 views | LowerloftLad |
| Balogun? on 19:59 - Jul 6 by QPR_John |
I maybe wrong but the club have to help him get fit if he has not got a club even though his contract has expired. |
Every single sign is pointing towards one hell of a car crash season so far I'm afraid. |  |
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| Balogun? on 21:00 - Jul 6 with 6800 views | colinallcars |
They say that pessimists never get disappointed.
Just avoiding the drop will be an accomplishment. |  | | |
| Balogun? on 21:16 - Jul 6 with 6740 views | qpr1976 |
| Balogun? on 19:10 - Jul 6 by stainrods_elbow |
Interesting! Where did he say that and what did he say? |
Not read that either. But it wouldn’t surprise me. Too many injuries last couple of seasons.
My guess is we couldn’t afford to extend his contract on the wages he was on, especially for a crock.
So end that contract, let him train and prove hit fitness, then if nothing better comes in offer him a reduced 1 year deal or better still a pay as you play and pray….. | | | |
| Balogun? on 21:20 - Jul 6 with 6705 views | colinallcars |
| Balogun? on 21:16 - Jul 6 by qpr1976 |
Not read that either. But it wouldn’t surprise me. Too many injuries last couple of seasons.
My guess is we couldn’t afford to extend his contract on the wages he was on, especially for a crock.
So end that contract, let him train and prove hit fitness, then if nothing better comes in offer him a reduced 1 year deal or better still a pay as you play and pray….. |
Have we ever had a player on pay as you play ? | | | |
| Balogun? on 22:08 - Jul 6 with 6572 views | davman |
Rely on JCS and balogun again is utterly nuts. Einstein's definition of insanity in a nutshell.
Dunne and Gubbins will get you where you deserve. Sign Balogun and you'll need ANOTHER CB on top of that.
He and JCS won't make 30 games between them again.
Surely we are not that stupid / desperate? |  |
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| Balogun? on 22:12 - Jul 6 with 6565 views | LazyFan |
| Balogun? on 21:20 - Jul 6 by colinallcars |
Have we ever had a player on pay as you play ? |
For part of his stint at Reading that Andy Carrol was only on £1k per week: https://www.themag.co.uk/2021/11/andy-carroll-wages-deal-at-reading-made-public-
Of course, later they offered him an improved deal once he started scoring and playing well. Then after which I think he got injured again.
I suspect we have low balled Martin and may do the same for Balogun. Martin knows he can get better in L1 so, he will. Balogun may take whatever we offer as who else will sign him? We may have too if we do not get the Dickie replacement in.
Balogun is plan Z. Hopefully we get lucky with some targets which are in plan A-Y. It's early days as some players face reality and some clubs use the free's out there to bargain down the price of players they really want to buy.
Buying Club: "how much for player Y?"
Selling Club: "player Y is for sale for X"
Buying Club: "we could get near that with player A on Free, you need to lower your price"
Selling Club: "that's the price"
Buying Club: "we shall get back to you" and then they never do.
Point in case:
Luton turn down buying their number one who was on loan from Forest last year: https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2023/07/05/luton-make-decision-on-nottingham-f
And now Luton are in for Asmir Begovic who they can get as free agent:
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/sport/football/luton-town/town-reportedly-turn-down
This may also affect us as then maybe we can get Ethan Horvath on loan while Walsh develops. A useful goalkeeper who has great Champ experience. Won't cost much to loan I would suspect as Luton didn't have any money either. And Forest won't need him for their 4th team.
All these deals will go to the wire. It's still better than the so-called "good old days" when Spurs used to sign 7 players just to avoid relegation and did it whenever they needed to. Imagine no transfer window limits for Chelsea or City!!!! |  |
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| Balogun? on 22:16 - Jul 6 with 6541 views | Hoopstar |
| Balogun? on 21:20 - Jul 6 by colinallcars |
Have we ever had a player on pay as you play ? |
I sincerely doubt it , but it gets brought up every transfer window at least once.
Who on earth would sign a pay as you play contract? |  | | |
| Balogun? on 22:22 - Jul 6 with 6504 views | Hoopsie |
I think it was his calf injury that baffled us with his perpetual unavailability and it turned out to be a foot injury with a broken bone? Our medical team sat on this wrong diagnosis for months and he was out for 5 months. Don’t think he outrighly blamed the club but this was revealed when he had a spat with the away fans after the Wigan debacle. If true we cannot begrudge him but have to right this wrong [Post edited 6 Jul 2023 22:23]
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| Balogun? on 22:29 - Jul 6 with 6456 views | colinallcars |
| Balogun? on 22:16 - Jul 6 by Hoopstar |
I sincerely doubt it , but it gets brought up every transfer window at least once.
Who on earth would sign a pay as you play contract? |
Exactly - I doubt the players' union, what it is, the PFA would countenance such a contract. | | | |
| Balogun? on 22:37 - Jul 6 with 6435 views | distortR |
| Balogun? on 18:59 - Jul 6 by PunteR |
He blamed the medical staff for his injury relapses last season. Maybe the club are just trying to right a wrong by getting him fit again. He doesnt have a club does he so would make sense he's still here if they did fk up . ? |
On his international debut, the bloke lasted 20 minutes before leaving the field injured. He's 35 and injury prone. He's prone to injuries.Injuries he is prone to.
If we give him another year..................  | | | |
| Balogun? on 22:41 - Jul 6 with 6398 views | colinallcars |
| Balogun? on 22:37 - Jul 6 by distortR |
On his international debut, the bloke lasted 20 minutes before leaving the field injured. He's 35 and injury prone. He's prone to injuries.Injuries he is prone to.
If we give him another year.................. |
Yup, I'd be upset too. I would rather have Martin for 6/12 months. He has the right attitude. | | | |
| Balogun? on 22:47 - Jul 6 with 6383 views | kensalriser |
| Balogun? on 22:16 - Jul 6 by Hoopstar |
I sincerely doubt it , but it gets brought up every transfer window at least once.
Who on earth would sign a pay as you play contract? |
Forum rules. We have to hit the close season mentions target for 'tougher Championship next year' and 'pay for play contract'. |  |
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| Balogun? on 23:28 - Jul 6 with 6274 views | E17hoop |
| Balogun? on 19:59 - Jul 6 by QPR_John |
I maybe wrong but the club have to help him get fit if he has not got a club even though his contract has expired. |
This - it's part of the support offered to players with an agreement with the PFA. It protects younger players who get career ending injuries and provides them with ongoing medical support. |  |
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