| Maybe 08:15 - Feb 1 with 4088 views | angryjack |
The owners just don't trust Martin with any more funds,makes sense,perhaps seeing season out and getting rid,hope so..just a thought |  | | |  |
| Maybe on 08:18 - Feb 1 with 3128 views | magicdaps10 |
Can't be ruled out but it could just be other things like they just don't want to spend money and put it in the bank and safe on wages.........25k a week saved on wages so I hear, 100k a month.
Let's be fair, its not the first window they have scrapped the barrel 🙈 |  |
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| Maybe on 08:24 - Feb 1 with 3109 views | angryjack |
| Maybe on 08:18 - Feb 1 by magicdaps10 |
Can't be ruled out but it could just be other things like they just don't want to spend money and put it in the bank and safe on wages.........25k a week saved on wages so I hear, 100k a month.
Let's be fair, its not the first window they have scrapped the barrel 🙈 |
Sooner they gone the better..its a mess from top to bottom | | | |
| Maybe on 08:27 - Feb 1 with 3109 views | Sirjohnalot |
Back him or sack him |  | | |
| Maybe on 08:27 - Feb 1 with 3109 views | pete |
| Maybe on 08:18 - Feb 1 by magicdaps10 |
Can't be ruled out but it could just be other things like they just don't want to spend money and put it in the bank and safe on wages.........25k a week saved on wages so I hear, 100k a month.
Let's be fair, its not the first window they have scrapped the barrel 🙈 |
Magic as far as i am concerned they have knocked the bottom out of the barrel they are a disgrace | | | |
| Maybe on 08:50 - Feb 1 with 3069 views | Badlands |
| Maybe on 08:27 - Feb 1 by Sirjohnalot |
Back him or sack him |
They have backed him and he’s delivered … mediocrity and player fall out.
TBF maybe they are saving money for the sake of it but, from their point of view …
32% of the club’s owners provide nothing.
A series of loan signings have not been used and their clubs are reluctant to loan us players, a couple have
Bought players believed to be Martin's choice have not performed
Players were lined up but chose other clubs (perennial problem for all our managers because of geography and player perception)
Costs may have been out of our range.
If last week's rumours of new investors or even a buy out were true they may well be reluctant to tinker with the portfolio.
Despite 40% of fans flip flopping on Martin every time we scrape a win, for the most part most fans for most of the time would be happy to see him replaced.
Ambition, sometimes, is staying where you are. |  |
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| Maybe on 09:03 - Feb 1 with 3044 views | onehunglow |
Nobody should be surprised
We are in dire need of need owners
That simple | |
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| Maybe on 09:12 - Feb 1 with 3037 views | Badlands |
| Maybe on 09:03 - Feb 1 by onehunglow |
Nobody should be surprised
We are in dire need of need owners
That simple |
Or the Trust, which contributes less than nothing, could offer 21% of the club to an interested partner. Then, in keeping with the wishes of everyone who abused Jenkins et al, could gift the money to the club.
As supporters we could encourage 3,000 friends to attend games which would pay the wages of 2 - 3 players.
Football fans in general expect everyone else to pay for their entertainment.
We need new owner? I remeber the same said before Petty bought the club. | |
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| Maybe on 09:25 - Feb 1 with 2998 views | onehunglow |
| Maybe on 09:12 - Feb 1 by Badlands |
Or the Trust, which contributes less than nothing, could offer 21% of the club to an interested partner. Then, in keeping with the wishes of everyone who abused Jenkins et al, could gift the money to the club.
As supporters we could encourage 3,000 friends to attend games which would pay the wages of 2 - 3 players.
Football fans in general expect everyone else to pay for their entertainment.
We need new owner? I remeber the same said before Petty bought the club. |
We do. | |
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| Maybe on 10:37 - Feb 1 with 2926 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Maybe on 08:50 - Feb 1 by Badlands |
They have backed him and he’s delivered … mediocrity and player fall out.
TBF maybe they are saving money for the sake of it but, from their point of view …
32% of the club’s owners provide nothing.
A series of loan signings have not been used and their clubs are reluctant to loan us players, a couple have
Bought players believed to be Martin's choice have not performed
Players were lined up but chose other clubs (perennial problem for all our managers because of geography and player perception)
Costs may have been out of our range.
If last week's rumours of new investors or even a buy out were true they may well be reluctant to tinker with the portfolio.
Despite 40% of fans flip flopping on Martin every time we scrape a win, for the most part most fans for most of the time would be happy to see him replaced.
Ambition, sometimes, is staying where you are. |
In which case this must have been known in December. Get rid of him and back the new man. Cannot have it both ways | | | |
| Maybe on 10:39 - Feb 1 with 2914 views | union_jack |
| Maybe on 08:27 - Feb 1 by Sirjohnalot |
Back him or sack him |
Both far too costly for this lot. |  |
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| Maybe on 10:42 - Feb 1 with 2860 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Maybe on 10:37 - Feb 1 by Sirjohnalot |
In which case this must have been known in December. Get rid of him and back the new man. Cannot have it both ways |
There is only so much money around.
The cost of sacking him would probably eat up any money for transfers for the new manager, if that money exists at all.
In the last 18 months they have spent more than any other 18 month period in our football league history, have given us an 8 figure loan note that they are converting debt to equity.
Honestly don’t know what people are realistically expecting.
I understand it’s fashionable to blame them for everything, but in reality what more can people expect of them?
This window has been disappearing but it’s not like we had millions to spend anyway, I can’t think of anyone we were linked to that has severely hampered us by not getting.
Ogbene maybe at a push? But he wasn’t sold on coming here anyway.
I’d have preferred him to patch things up with Obafemi, Pato and Whittaker personally. 3 excellent attacking options there and he’s done his best to make life very difficult at the club for all of them. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 10:43]
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| Maybe on 11:26 - Feb 1 with 2806 views | Boundy |
| Maybe on 09:12 - Feb 1 by Badlands |
Or the Trust, which contributes less than nothing, could offer 21% of the club to an interested partner. Then, in keeping with the wishes of everyone who abused Jenkins et al, could gift the money to the club.
As supporters we could encourage 3,000 friends to attend games which would pay the wages of 2 - 3 players.
Football fans in general expect everyone else to pay for their entertainment.
We need new owner? I remeber the same said before Petty bought the club. |
Selective memory ,try revisiting your dubious memory bank. The yanks as posted elsewhere have due to their incompetence messed up ,nothing to do with the trust | |
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| Maybe on 13:18 - Feb 1 with 2727 views | grabsplatter |
| Maybe on 10:42 - Feb 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is only so much money around.
The cost of sacking him would probably eat up any money for transfers for the new manager, if that money exists at all.
In the last 18 months they have spent more than any other 18 month period in our football league history, have given us an 8 figure loan note that they are converting debt to equity.
Honestly don’t know what people are realistically expecting.
I understand it’s fashionable to blame them for everything, but in reality what more can people expect of them?
This window has been disappearing but it’s not like we had millions to spend anyway, I can’t think of anyone we were linked to that has severely hampered us by not getting.
Ogbene maybe at a push? But he wasn’t sold on coming here anyway.
I’d have preferred him to patch things up with Obafemi, Pato and Whittaker personally. 3 excellent attacking options there and he’s done his best to make life very difficult at the club for all of them. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 10:43]
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While you've been consistently mentioning the fact that the current owners have paid out in transfer fees over the last 18 months it needs pointing out that they've recouped over £10 million for Downes.
Highly relevant when reviewing the funding they've given the club. |  | | |
| Maybe on 13:22 - Feb 1 with 2717 views | swan65split |
Its a hedge fund , too make money, not spend money.....weve reached our peak with this lot. |  | | |
| Maybe on 13:42 - Feb 1 with 2671 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Maybe on 13:18 - Feb 1 by grabsplatter |
While you've been consistently mentioning the fact that the current owners have paid out in transfer fees over the last 18 months it needs pointing out that they've recouped over £10 million for Downes.
Highly relevant when reviewing the funding they've given the club. |
"Given" the club? | | | |
| Maybe on 13:43 - Feb 1 with 2669 views | cadleigh |
Judging by Mitchelmore’s article on Wales Online, it sounds like Marsh et al were pretty busy doing their job - ie identifying and lining up players that fit the mould of what Martin wanted.
If the CEO has to go scurrying to individual shareholders to get sign-off for every single offer we put in, then that’s a massive failure of governance by the Board, including our supporter-director and observers, and renders the CEO little more than a bag carrier. No wonder we scored so badly on governance in the recent football sustainability index. Are other clubs really run like this? We weren’t under Birch or Jenkins; the Board is supposed to agree a budget and let the executive team deliver the plan.
To return to OHL’s original question, if the majority shareholders (let’s not even talk about a ‘Board’ as though there was a functioning one any more) had decided not to back Martin in this window because he’s on his way out, then why the hell not get shot of him before the window opened and give another manager a go? Presumably, as Keith has said, they won’t release him before the summer of 2024 (!!!) because of the compensation involved, so I don’t think that theory holds water. Unless they are trying to force him out by starving him of the round pegs he needs to try to make his game plan work.
Meanwhile, Martin’s position is now stronger than ever. Many supporters will put failure this season - if that’s what occurs - down to this transfer window, not to his management. The noisy micro-minority (thankfully absent from this forum) who think he is “the real deal” and try to bully anyone who disagrees will be insisting that he should get a medal for anything better than 21st place, mark my words. | |
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| Maybe on 14:05 - Feb 1 with 2619 views | Whiterockin |
| Maybe on 13:43 - Feb 1 by cadleigh |
Judging by Mitchelmore’s article on Wales Online, it sounds like Marsh et al were pretty busy doing their job - ie identifying and lining up players that fit the mould of what Martin wanted.
If the CEO has to go scurrying to individual shareholders to get sign-off for every single offer we put in, then that’s a massive failure of governance by the Board, including our supporter-director and observers, and renders the CEO little more than a bag carrier. No wonder we scored so badly on governance in the recent football sustainability index. Are other clubs really run like this? We weren’t under Birch or Jenkins; the Board is supposed to agree a budget and let the executive team deliver the plan.
To return to OHL’s original question, if the majority shareholders (let’s not even talk about a ‘Board’ as though there was a functioning one any more) had decided not to back Martin in this window because he’s on his way out, then why the hell not get shot of him before the window opened and give another manager a go? Presumably, as Keith has said, they won’t release him before the summer of 2024 (!!!) because of the compensation involved, so I don’t think that theory holds water. Unless they are trying to force him out by starving him of the round pegs he needs to try to make his game plan work.
Meanwhile, Martin’s position is now stronger than ever. Many supporters will put failure this season - if that’s what occurs - down to this transfer window, not to his management. The noisy micro-minority (thankfully absent from this forum) who think he is “the real deal” and try to bully anyone who disagrees will be insisting that he should get a medal for anything better than 21st place, mark my words. |
It's far to early to judge if this season is good, bad or indifferent. 4 points off the play offs 13 points off the bottom three anything can happen. I like many feel we will end up comfortably mid table, change the ownership and IMO it would be classed as a good season.
I have always been pro the current owners and financial stability, but the last window was unacceptable, with a small investment in the correct areas we could have made real progress.
There's caution and downright lack of interest, time for them to get out. |  | | |
| Maybe on 14:24 - Feb 1 with 2578 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Maybe on 10:42 - Feb 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is only so much money around.
The cost of sacking him would probably eat up any money for transfers for the new manager, if that money exists at all.
In the last 18 months they have spent more than any other 18 month period in our football league history, have given us an 8 figure loan note that they are converting debt to equity.
Honestly don’t know what people are realistically expecting.
I understand it’s fashionable to blame them for everything, but in reality what more can people expect of them?
This window has been disappearing but it’s not like we had millions to spend anyway, I can’t think of anyone we were linked to that has severely hampered us by not getting.
Ogbene maybe at a push? But he wasn’t sold on coming here anyway.
I’d have preferred him to patch things up with Obafemi, Pato and Whittaker personally. 3 excellent attacking options there and he’s done his best to make life very difficult at the club for all of them. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 10:43]
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This keeps getting overlooked - he has been backed before and arguably did not make our starting XI stronger
we were never going to do much this window - I’d argue moving to a flat back 4 potentially stopped any move for a RWB
With our alleged financial situation depth is not a luxury we can expect to have no matter how much we want it.
Use who we’ve got as well as we can and we really won’t be far away |  |
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| Maybe on 15:34 - Feb 1 with 2499 views | onehunglow |
| Maybe on 14:24 - Feb 1 by PatchesOHoulihan |
This keeps getting overlooked - he has been backed before and arguably did not make our starting XI stronger
we were never going to do much this window - I’d argue moving to a flat back 4 potentially stopped any move for a RWB
With our alleged financial situation depth is not a luxury we can expect to have no matter how much we want it.
Use who we’ve got as well as we can and we really won’t be far away |
With Fisher we will be nearer the drop zone | |
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| Maybe on 20:16 - Feb 1 with 2369 views | grabsplatter |
| Maybe on 13:42 - Feb 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Given" the club? |
Ok, how much money they've put into the club as owners, I think you know exactly what I mean. | | | |
| Maybe on 22:55 - Feb 1 with 2285 views | Kilkennyjack |
Well … he signed Flynn Downes for £1.5m and sold him 12 months later for £12million.
Thats good business by any measure. |  |
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| Maybe on 00:32 - Feb 2 with 2257 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Maybe on 13:18 - Feb 1 by grabsplatter |
While you've been consistently mentioning the fact that the current owners have paid out in transfer fees over the last 18 months it needs pointing out that they've recouped over £10 million for Downes.
Highly relevant when reviewing the funding they've given the club. |
Why is that relevant?
Getting £10m for a player we paid a small amount for and giving millions back to reinvest whilst then filling an operational cost hole, is excellent ownership isn’t it?
What are you expecting out of interest? | |
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| Maybe on 00:35 - Feb 2 with 2254 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Maybe on 20:16 - Feb 1 by grabsplatter |
Ok, how much money they've put into the club as owners, I think you know exactly what I mean. |
They have put more in as owners than any other owners in our history,
£10,000,000 from their own pockets last I checked.
Can you name an owner we have had that has put in more? In our whole entire history.
Same here. | |
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| Maybe on 08:19 - Feb 2 with 2183 views | Boundy |
| Maybe on 00:35 - Feb 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
They have put more in as owners than any other owners in our history,
£10,000,000 from their own pockets last I checked.
Can you name an owner we have had that has put in more? In our whole entire history.
Same here. |
Given the money or do you mean loan the money ? | |
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| Maybe on 08:27 - Feb 2 with 2173 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Maybe on 08:19 - Feb 2 by Boundy |
Given the money or do you mean loan the money ? |
No, I mean given.
They have confirmed it will be converted to equity wiping it from the debt sheet. | |
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