| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 14:18 - Dec 17 with 1463 views | Saintsforeverj |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 10:09 - Dec 17 by saint68 |
I've said it many times, it should have been a concentrated vaccine drive on the at risk groups with safeguarding and financial aid put in place for them .everyone else get on with living life...
The mortality rate in healthy under 60yr olds is minuscule (similar if not smaller than a seasonal flu) these are those that need to be earning and bolstering the economy...not locked away in fear of dying from a virus that they've already got sufficient immunity from naturally.
So yes!!! I'm definitely against vaccinating every human that's alive..its just not required.
There's been over 11 million reported cases in the UK...so in reality far more than that as not everyone will get tested...if we said 15 million and 14854000 recovered without needing any treatment you'd be a bit more inclined to see how ludicrous the whole situation has become.
At the start of the outbreak we transported the virus straight to the vulnerable in a form of wilful genocide, wiping out care homes left right and centre...even today the most at risk are still the very same group and they are still dying on a daily basis with the addition of 80% of the country fully or even triple jabbed...
One thing we've not seen is any occurrences of young healthy people dying in numbers until this year, some sadly in full view of TV cameras, we've had reporters and teachers and young mothers drop dead due to the direct effect of taking a vaccine they simply never had to take.
Not one single person on this planet knows anything about the long term side effects of these vaccines..not one single person!!!
So I state clearly that I don't want/need or require a vaccine that's in a live human trial with no normal checks and balances being followed and that has had suppression of side effects and deaths that would normally set alarm bells ringing in regards to its overall safety and risk from the manufacturers through to the national watchdogs |
A concentrated vaccine drive on at risk groups and I would say, over 50s is a fair enough position I think. What you ought to say, is that vaccines work. There should be strong encouragement of over 50s and the vulnerable to have the vaccine. As I said before, you are stupid if you are vulnerable and don't have it. We know the vaccine is saving lives in these categories. So, I do have an issue with an over 60 anti vaxxer refusing to have it then they expect the NHS to save them.
But I do have some sympathy with healthy 20 and 30 year olds saying that they shouldn't be forced (indirectly with covid passports and the rest) when their risk of dying is miniscule. In fact, letting it run through the younger age groups to develop immunity, might be better. And these vaccines being used for young people with a 0.00001 per cent chance of dying, are arguably better used on the over 50s across the world instead.
As for restrictions, now that the vulnerable are vaccinated, new pills are developed and very few people are dying, we need to be able to get on with our lives and stop all this fear which is illogical and disproportion, causing long lasting unnecessary mental health problems. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 14:20]
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 14:46 - Dec 17 with 1435 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 14:18 - Dec 17 by Saintsforeverj |
A concentrated vaccine drive on at risk groups and I would say, over 50s is a fair enough position I think. What you ought to say, is that vaccines work. There should be strong encouragement of over 50s and the vulnerable to have the vaccine. As I said before, you are stupid if you are vulnerable and don't have it. We know the vaccine is saving lives in these categories. So, I do have an issue with an over 60 anti vaxxer refusing to have it then they expect the NHS to save them.
But I do have some sympathy with healthy 20 and 30 year olds saying that they shouldn't be forced (indirectly with covid passports and the rest) when their risk of dying is miniscule. In fact, letting it run through the younger age groups to develop immunity, might be better. And these vaccines being used for young people with a 0.00001 per cent chance of dying, are arguably better used on the over 50s across the world instead.
As for restrictions, now that the vulnerable are vaccinated, new pills are developed and very few people are dying, we need to be able to get on with our lives and stop all this fear which is illogical and disproportion, causing long lasting unnecessary mental health problems. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 14:20]
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I entirely agree SFJ, and I'm glad to see someone with a very similar point of view.
Concentrated resources and financial support for the most at risk has always been my viewpoint, it's more proactive and far more economical.
Remote regional specialised units for severe covid infections was the way forward to freeing up the nations hospitals for a more normal service at obviously a reduced yet maintainable service for our most at risk groups, and primary diagnosis would be stopping the sad but ever growing numbers of people that have slipped through the net over the past 18 months or so.
And giving the new vaccines to those at risk is logical and I have zero issue with that at all, if in say 5/7 years time we see a change in the virus towards harming those younger and fitter then there will be sufficient data to show what if any side effects had occurred from the previous years and the safety and risk factors would be fully understood and accepted. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 15:43 - Dec 17 with 1398 views | DorsetIan |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 14:46 - Dec 17 by saint68 |
I entirely agree SFJ, and I'm glad to see someone with a very similar point of view.
Concentrated resources and financial support for the most at risk has always been my viewpoint, it's more proactive and far more economical.
Remote regional specialised units for severe covid infections was the way forward to freeing up the nations hospitals for a more normal service at obviously a reduced yet maintainable service for our most at risk groups, and primary diagnosis would be stopping the sad but ever growing numbers of people that have slipped through the net over the past 18 months or so.
And giving the new vaccines to those at risk is logical and I have zero issue with that at all, if in say 5/7 years time we see a change in the virus towards harming those younger and fitter then there will be sufficient data to show what if any side effects had occurred from the previous years and the safety and risk factors would be fully understood and accepted. |
Coming soon from Saint68...
'How I worked out the answer to middle east peace'
'Nuclear fission - what they've been missing for all these years'
'Logic - a few lessons for Aristotle' | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 15:59 - Dec 17 with 1396 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 15:43 - Dec 17 by DorsetIan |
Coming soon from Saint68...
'How I worked out the answer to middle east peace'
'Nuclear fission - what they've been missing for all these years'
'Logic - a few lessons for Aristotle' |
You're a sad little thing aren't you, maybe put the ironing away and have yourself a cheeky glass of chardonnay Karen. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 16:19 - Dec 17 with 1383 views | DorsetIan |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 15:59 - Dec 17 by saint68 |
You're a sad little thing aren't you, maybe put the ironing away and have yourself a cheeky glass of chardonnay Karen. |
Not quite as sad as a member of a football forum pretending he's an epidemiologist. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 16:57 - Dec 17 with 1368 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 16:19 - Dec 17 by DorsetIan |
Not quite as sad as a member of a football forum pretending he's an epidemiologist. |
Keep em coming, you're so funny | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:17 - Dec 17 with 1336 views | cocklebreath |
Absolute mental scientist Neil Ferguson has today said he thinks soon we will see between 2-5000 deaths a day from Omicron, what an absolute w4nker. This is not going to happen, he’s doing his best to scare old granny’s, they believe this sh!t because they trust charlatans like him. |  |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:28 - Dec 17 with 1323 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:17 - Dec 17 by cocklebreath |
Absolute mental scientist Neil Ferguson has today said he thinks soon we will see between 2-5000 deaths a day from Omicron, what an absolute w4nker. This is not going to happen, he’s doing his best to scare old granny’s, they believe this sh!t because they trust charlatans like him. |
Yet more media driven scaremongering..doesn't surprise me or anyone that sees through this deplorable charade!!!
It's slowly dawning on people that this is all about false información and coercion | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:33 - Dec 17 with 1321 views | 1885_SFC |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:17 - Dec 17 by cocklebreath |
Absolute mental scientist Neil Ferguson has today said he thinks soon we will see between 2-5000 deaths a day from Omicron, what an absolute w4nker. This is not going to happen, he’s doing his best to scare old granny’s, they believe this sh!t because they trust charlatans like him. |
That's the problem. Many old folk don't have the internet in order to find out the truth & so rely on utter shÃt like the truly awful BBC News for their information. |  |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:45 - Dec 17 with 1315 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:33 - Dec 17 by 1885_SFC |
That's the problem. Many old folk don't have the internet in order to find out the truth & so rely on utter shÃt like the truly awful BBC News for their information. |
And for once in recent times I agree with you mate, we've had previos correspondence not privy to others on here and we've always been cordial respectful and honest, I fully appreciate and always will thank you for your knowledge in regards to what we talked about.
I'll take this moment to wish you and all your family a merry Christmas and a healthy and prosperous New year. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 19:19 - Dec 17 with 1306 views | 1885_SFC |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:45 - Dec 17 by saint68 |
And for once in recent times I agree with you mate, we've had previos correspondence not privy to others on here and we've always been cordial respectful and honest, I fully appreciate and always will thank you for your knowledge in regards to what we talked about.
I'll take this moment to wish you and all your family a merry Christmas and a healthy and prosperous New year. |
Likewise 68. We may differ on the vaccine question - but after all is said and done - we are all Saints fans on this forum & there isn't one of those that I wouldn't wish anything other than a very merry Christmas to wherever they are in the world & all the very best for 2022. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 21:14 - Dec 17 with 1280 views | cocklebreath |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 18:33 - Dec 17 by 1885_SFC |
That's the problem. Many old folk don't have the internet in order to find out the truth & so rely on utter shÃt like the truly awful BBC News for their information. |
I can’t watch the BBC news anymore, it’s no better than the Daily mail. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 21:31 - Dec 17 with 1271 views | DorsetIan |
Looks like Chris Whitty has been reading 68's posts...
Claims that coronavirus is being prioritised over other serious illnesses are a “complete inversion of reality”, England’s chief medical officer has said.
Professor Chris Whitty hit back at accusations that the government and its advisers were focusing on the pandemic at the expense of diseases like cancer, during an appearance at the Commons Health and Social Care Committee this morning.
Speaking on the day after COVID cases in the UK hit their highest level since the start of the pandemic, Whitty told MPs: “The idea that the lockdowns caused the problems with things like cancer is a complete inversion of reality.
“If we had not had the lockdowns, the whole system would have been in deep, deep trouble and the impact on things like heart attacks and strokes, and all the other things people must still come forward for when they have them, would have been even worse than it was.”
He added: “I think this is sometimes said by people who have no understanding of health at all. But I don’t think it’s said by anyone who’s serious, if I’m honest. And when they say it it’s usually because they want to make a political point.
“The reality is, and if you ask any doctor working in any part of the system, they will say this, that what is threatening our ability to do cancer, what is threatening our ability to do all these things, is the fact that so much of the NHS effort, so many of the beds are having to be put over to COVID and that we’re having to work in a less efficient way because COVID is there.
“Finding a way to manage COVID in a way that minimises the impact on everything else is absolutely central to what we’re trying to do.”
Here it is. Nail on the head:
"...sometimes said by people who have no understanding of health at all. But I don’t think it’s said by anyone who’s serious, if I’m honest. And when they say it it’s usually because they want to make a political point."
No understanding of health.
Not serious.
Trying to make a political point.
I think I've found three new bullet points. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 16:41 - Dec 18 with 1179 views | City_boy |
When we get the stats of Covid cases, deaths and hospitalisations on the news, it would be interesting to see how these breakdown between those vaccinated and not vaccinated. | | | |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 19:58 - Dec 18 with 1130 views | City_boy |
I think you are right. My guess is , it will be a short one (2-3 weeks) on/around 3 Jan.
Gutted as I am due to go skiing on Jan 8, and have been hoping that Austria stays low. However it looks very ominous now and and reckon any travel ban will probably come via UK - not Austria.
I caught Covid a few weeks ago (triple jabbed). I have just finished my 10 days isolation yesterday, but interestingly my Covid Pass is suspended until 22 Dec. on theNHS app. I have a paper copy/letter with the QR codes, but assume they wouldn't work now either. When I went to France/Spain in Autumn, the QR codes were recognised there when they checked. [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 19:59]
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 20:19 - Dec 18 with 1121 views | Bicester_North |
Lockdown will be the most pathetic heap of shit possible, and utter tripe after we were told the vaccines would prevent another one. The likes of Ferguson and their repeated overblown predictions have everyone running scared, of a variant that SA have seen is mild.
After what we were told and the activities of the government I hope nobody takes any notice and carries on as normal. Business owners and the youth are going to go f*cking insane in a minute. [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 20:20]
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 23:35 - Dec 18 with 1071 views | Saintsforeverj |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 20:19 - Dec 18 by Bicester_North |
Lockdown will be the most pathetic heap of shit possible, and utter tripe after we were told the vaccines would prevent another one. The likes of Ferguson and their repeated overblown predictions have everyone running scared, of a variant that SA have seen is mild.
After what we were told and the activities of the government I hope nobody takes any notice and carries on as normal. Business owners and the youth are going to go f*cking insane in a minute. [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 20:20]
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I totally agree. More damage will be done to mental health and this will cause major civil unrest. Are they going to pay 80 per cent furlough again? Otherwise people will lose their jobs and homes. This utter panic reaction to a thing that is statistically only killing a few unjabbed over 60's seems like a major over reaction. South Africa today already reporting that hospital admissions are reducing, already.They obviously think this variant will increase hospital admissions to the point where the NHS can't cope but it just seems way over the top. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 23:39 - Dec 18 with 1066 views | cocklebreath |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 23:35 - Dec 18 by Saintsforeverj |
I totally agree. More damage will be done to mental health and this will cause major civil unrest. Are they going to pay 80 per cent furlough again? Otherwise people will lose their jobs and homes. This utter panic reaction to a thing that is statistically only killing a few unjabbed over 60's seems like a major over reaction. South Africa today already reporting that hospital admissions are reducing, already.They obviously think this variant will increase hospital admissions to the point where the NHS can't cope but it just seems way over the top. |
If we follow South Africa the peak will be around Christmas day then it’s over, ridiculous scaremongering from Sage and other scientists. The modellers should be sacked for their outrageous over the top predictions, bunch of w4nkers. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:19 - Dec 19 with 1053 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 23:39 - Dec 18 by cocklebreath |
If we follow South Africa the peak will be around Christmas day then it’s over, ridiculous scaremongering from Sage and other scientists. The modellers should be sacked for their outrageous over the top predictions, bunch of w4nkers. |
Dorset Karen Will piss her knickers and call you an absolute cùnt or fukin deranged twà t if you carry on waking up to the illogical bullshìt that you've spent the past 2yrs abiding by, whilst friends and family will see loved ones who've be denied of diagnosis and preventative care...even a 5/7 Yr backlog in the main 5 mortality groups ..has been denied/ridiculed by the dopey little tart from Dorset..
Reality is a bitch. But it's been far cleverer than the majority on here that blindly followed the media scaremongering and accepted everything without questioning. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:37 - Dec 19 with 1050 views | DorsetIan |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:19 - Dec 19 by saint68 |
Dorset Karen Will piss her knickers and call you an absolute cùnt or fukin deranged twà t if you carry on waking up to the illogical bullshìt that you've spent the past 2yrs abiding by, whilst friends and family will see loved ones who've be denied of diagnosis and preventative care...even a 5/7 Yr backlog in the main 5 mortality groups ..has been denied/ridiculed by the dopey little tart from Dorset..
Reality is a bitch. But it's been far cleverer than the majority on here that blindly followed the media scaremongering and accepted everything without questioning. |
If only there were a post I could refer to that suggested you were deranged...
The prospect of another lockdown must have you banging your head off the padded walls. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:44 - Dec 19 with 1045 views | saint68 |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:37 - Dec 19 by DorsetIan |
If only there were a post I could refer to that suggested you were deranged...
The prospect of another lockdown must have you banging your head off the padded walls. |
And you having a massive tingling clitoris!! | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 07:24 - Dec 19 with 1005 views | DorsetIan |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:44 - Dec 19 by saint68 |
And you having a massive tingling clitoris!! |
Why are you making these gendered references? Are you a massive sexist as well as Covid nut? Is it part of your whole incel vibe? You tick all the other boxes, to be fair. | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 08:01 - Dec 19 with 999 views | cocklebreath |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 00:37 - Dec 19 by DorsetIan |
If only there were a post I could refer to that suggested you were deranged...
The prospect of another lockdown must have you banging your head off the padded walls. |
How do you think the modellers have done during the pandemic? | |
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| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 08:44 - Dec 19 with 978 views | kentsouthampton |
| 1 million jabs a day to beat Omicron on 09:36 - Dec 13 by saint68 |
So a massive vaccine push on a variant that evades the vaccine is logical Ian...only an idiot would defend such a practice |
Yep, a vaccine that works so well we've had to have three of them in a year, I can see it now two years time, "if you haven't had jab 15 you can't leave the house"
At what point will the brainwashed Stockholm syndrome populace wake up. |  | | |
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