| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) 20:39 - Jul 27 with 25192 views | RAFCBLUE |
Part of the EFL test of those investing into clubs is know who you are dealing with.
Morton House (or to give it its full name MORTON HOUSE MGT AND FIRST FORM CONSTRUCTION LTD) is the Company that the Trust were told is the investment vehicle buying the club.
That's the one that the EFL are going to cast their beady eye over.
As I've been boring you with throughout this close season, there is a LOT of information about people in the public domain if you look.
So WHO OWNS MORTON HOUSE? That's the big question.
Well lets start with the easy bit - Morton House has just £2 of share capital being 2 x £1 ordinary shares. To own it you need both the shares.
What does Morton House do? It provides payroll services to the construction sector and has a website that can be found here:
https://www.mortonhousecs.com/
Here's the first problem:
This website's news section hasn't been updated since 3 January 2021:
https://www.mortonhousecs.com/news/
Sound odd for such a busy payroll services company? I'd be inclined to agree there.
What does it do?
https://www.mortonhousecs.com/about-us/
It offers PAYE - but only has 2 employees.
It offers Limited Company payroll - now caught by IR35
It then represents CIS contractors - but claims it is a fully compliant PAYE umbrella company
It makes ZERO sense.
BUT DOES DARRELL ROSE OWN IT?
No.
The law changes in 2016 about disclosures at Companies House. Before that it was requirement every year to have a full list of shareholders disclosed. After 2016 it became updates only. The 2016 position is always very helpful to see who owned it then and to then trace the subsequent changes to.
Starting in August 2016:
There were two shareholders ANA SACCO and DARREN SACCO
On 30th April 2019, both of those shares were transferred to
(you've guessed it)
DENISE VALARIE COURTNELL
There have been no shareholder changes since to 30 June 2021
Darrell Rose owns nothing of Morton House. Zero, zip, nada.
He owns less of Morton House that he is claiming to own of Dale.
I sense another cock-up by Jarvis if he has been floating to the EFL that Darrell Rose can signoff on this Company. DARRELL ROSE IS NOT THE OWNER!!!
What does our glamorous granny Denise have an interest in football - nothing that I can see. Does she even know where Rochdale is? Can she play left back?
The EFL should summon the glamorous granny Denise to see them. She is the mastermind behind this hostile takeover.
Not Rose, not Curran, not Jarvis.
DENISE VALARIE COURTNELL.
Remember she is the lady that lost her house following the trial of a convicted drugs dealer reported in the Sunday Telegraph in 2012.
Why Darrell Rose could think he might owns Morton House is beyond me.
Here is the Companies House data in the public domain:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03779852/fili
Perhaps Puggles and Jingles can explain!
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 17:46 - Jul 30 with 5062 views | boromat |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 16:26 - Jul 30 by RAFCBLUE |
Here are some other good facts about Morton House.
1) All umbrella companies should be registered with HMRC under the money laundering supervision rules as " payroll agents that provide accountancy services and/or tax advice".
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/money-laundering-regulations-accountancy-service-pro
Morton House are not registered.
2) FCSA membership
https://www.fcsa.org.uk/members/
The Directory of Members is a comprehensive listing of FCSA Accredited Members; umbrella employers, limited company advisors, and self-employed and CIS contractor providers, that have been tested for compliance with the FCSA Codes.
You can search by company name or by accredited service when looking for a professional employment services provider for your contractor workforce. To ensure that your supply chain is robust as it can be, check they’re an FCSA Accredited Member.
Morton House are not accredited. |
So many holes now out in the open. There surely isn't a chance in hell of them being successful in taking us over. If they are we really will have been failed by the EFL. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 23:45 - Jul 30 with 4766 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 17:46 - Jul 30 by boromat |
So many holes now out in the open. There surely isn't a chance in hell of them being successful in taking us over. If they are we really will have been failed by the EFL. |
There's only one option isn't there:
https://www.gov.uk/report-an-unregistered-trader-or-business | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 08:45 - Aug 1 with 4517 views | Marjorie_Plane |
Isn't this just wonderful RAFCBLUE... just wonderful... do you know I've been thinking as well... Morton House Mgt is a payroll company so must manage the personal data of thousands of employees.. and I mean very personal data... surely Morton House must manage that information very sensitively and be registered to do so? They must have a data controller by law mustn't they?
Now I've heard that the punishments by the ICO (Information Comissioners Office for those in the WMG) are harsh... very harsh!! What if Morton House are not regsitered? Oh my, the thought. Now I have a thought. Mr. Steven Eckersley is the Head of Investiagtions at the ICO in Wilmslow you know..... have a word will you... |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 08:57 - Aug 1 with 4502 views | boromat |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 08:45 - Aug 1 by Marjorie_Plane |
Isn't this just wonderful RAFCBLUE... just wonderful... do you know I've been thinking as well... Morton House Mgt is a payroll company so must manage the personal data of thousands of employees.. and I mean very personal data... surely Morton House must manage that information very sensitively and be registered to do so? They must have a data controller by law mustn't they?
Now I've heard that the punishments by the ICO (Information Comissioners Office for those in the WMG) are harsh... very harsh!! What if Morton House are not regsitered? Oh my, the thought. Now I have a thought. Mr. Steven Eckersley is the Head of Investiagtions at the ICO in Wilmslow you know..... have a word will you... |
or maybe they have no personal information at all because the company is a complete sham and doesn't actually do anything. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 09:01 - Aug 1 with 4490 views | Marjorie_Plane |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 08:57 - Aug 1 by boromat |
or maybe they have no personal information at all because the company is a complete sham and doesn't actually do anything. |
A sham? Surely not boromat.... by sham do you mean an illegal money laundering and tax evasion operation... its just up up't north we need it spelling out. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 20:43 - Aug 1 with 4297 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 08:45 - Aug 1 by Marjorie_Plane |
Isn't this just wonderful RAFCBLUE... just wonderful... do you know I've been thinking as well... Morton House Mgt is a payroll company so must manage the personal data of thousands of employees.. and I mean very personal data... surely Morton House must manage that information very sensitively and be registered to do so? They must have a data controller by law mustn't they?
Now I've heard that the punishments by the ICO (Information Comissioners Office for those in the WMG) are harsh... very harsh!! What if Morton House are not regsitered? Oh my, the thought. Now I have a thought. Mr. Steven Eckersley is the Head of Investiagtions at the ICO in Wilmslow you know..... have a word will you... |
Hello again Marjorie.
https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/what-we-do/register-of-fee-payers/
Certainly possible to search the ICO's database of 900,000 entries at the above link.
Having done so, there is no reference to:
1) Darren Rose
2) Denise Valarie Courtnell
3) Morton House
If you process just one payroll payment to an individual then you'd need to hold their personal details - name, address, bank sort code, account number - so would need to register.
But another accredited agency that has never heard of them!
Just to test that the ICO is working, if you search for Paypacket Limited ( https://paypacket.co.uk/) who are a leading payroll company based in Nottingham - they are on there.
Perhaps Mr Rose will be registering first thing in the morning now that it has been brought to his attention. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 21:01 - Aug 1 with 4241 views | D_Alien |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 20:43 - Aug 1 by RAFCBLUE |
Hello again Marjorie.
https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/what-we-do/register-of-fee-payers/
Certainly possible to search the ICO's database of 900,000 entries at the above link.
Having done so, there is no reference to:
1) Darren Rose
2) Denise Valarie Courtnell
3) Morton House
If you process just one payroll payment to an individual then you'd need to hold their personal details - name, address, bank sort code, account number - so would need to register.
But another accredited agency that has never heard of them!
Just to test that the ICO is working, if you search for Paypacket Limited ( https://paypacket.co.uk/) who are a leading payroll company based in Nottingham - they are on there.
Perhaps Mr Rose will be registering first thing in the morning now that it has been brought to his attention. |
Makes you wonder what kind of business would require the payroll services of Morton House, that they couldn't find elsewhere
Surely no professional business owner/manager would entrust the details of staff to a third party without thorough vetting and a string of references from other businesses?
I guess you've got to start somewhere. For instance, do we know if any of the businesses you've brought to our attention have any actual employees? I think there's a name for limited companies that don't |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 22:49 - Aug 1 with 4118 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 21:01 - Aug 1 by D_Alien |
Makes you wonder what kind of business would require the payroll services of Morton House, that they couldn't find elsewhere
Surely no professional business owner/manager would entrust the details of staff to a third party without thorough vetting and a string of references from other businesses?
I guess you've got to start somewhere. For instance, do we know if any of the businesses you've brought to our attention have any actual employees? I think there's a name for limited companies that don't |
Hi DA,
It depends how wide you want to trawl the net into the web of limited companies that are in play.
But to give you a good watermark, we currently have a bigger first team squad that business operated by Darrell Rose, Andy Curran and Alex Jarvis have noted as "employees" in statutory records. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 23:10 - Aug 1 with 4083 views | D_Alien |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 22:49 - Aug 1 by RAFCBLUE |
Hi DA,
It depends how wide you want to trawl the net into the web of limited companies that are in play.
But to give you a good watermark, we currently have a bigger first team squad that business operated by Darrell Rose, Andy Curran and Alex Jarvis have noted as "employees" in statutory records. |
Thought as much
Are those individuals identifiable? Surely they wouldn't be 'ghosts', would they?
And if they're real people, they're almost certainly as culpable as their employers. But might not be quite so brazen, or committed... | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 23:26 - Aug 1 with 4044 views | Sandyman |
Never mind Darren Rose, no reference for Darrell Rose either.
Tsk Tsk...... |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 00:18 - Aug 3 with 3746 views | Marjorie_Plane |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 23:26 - Aug 1 by Sandyman |
Never mind Darren Rose, no reference for Darrell Rose either.
Tsk Tsk...... |
Do we have any more news please... I need stimulus | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 06:06 - Aug 3 with 3673 views | D_Alien |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 00:18 - Aug 3 by Marjorie_Plane |
Do we have any more news please... I need stimulus |
Oh dear... | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:21 - Aug 4 with 3452 views | Marjorie_Plane |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 06:06 - Aug 3 by D_Alien |
Oh dear... |
I have just read RAFCBLUE and his latest post... now that is stimulus... Bravo Blue, Bravo... you keep going... this is better than Corrie | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 15:23 - Aug 4 with 3395 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 23:10 - Aug 1 by D_Alien |
Thought as much
Are those individuals identifiable? Surely they wouldn't be 'ghosts', would they?
And if they're real people, they're almost certainly as culpable as their employers. But might not be quite so brazen, or committed... |
They can't be ghosts DA
Darrell Rose, Andrew Curran and Alexander Jarvis are - and have been - highly visible.
We wouldn't know this much about them and their business dealings if they were ghosts. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:40 - Aug 5 with 3245 views | Denise_V_Courtnell |
You haven't found me yet though have you? | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:41 - Aug 5 with 3237 views | IOMDale |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:40 - Aug 5 by Denise_V_Courtnell |
You haven't found me yet though have you? |
Admin - Any chance you can run an IP address search on this account? |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:42 - Aug 5 with 3233 views | DaleiLama |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:40 - Aug 5 by Denise_V_Courtnell |
You haven't found me yet though have you? |
Rosy made you a minority shareholder - didn't he tell you? We don't need to find you.
Edit: If we did we'd probably start looking in Bury! [Post edited 5 Aug 2021 14:43]
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:42 - Aug 5 with 3229 views | D_Alien |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 15:23 - Aug 4 by RAFCBLUE |
They can't be ghosts DA
Darrell Rose, Andrew Curran and Alexander Jarvis are - and have been - highly visible.
We wouldn't know this much about them and their business dealings if they were ghosts. |
I was referring to the so-called employees; you know, the ones who operate the payroll services... | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 17:41 - Aug 5 with 3090 views | Denise_V_Courtnell |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 14:41 - Aug 5 by IOMDale |
Admin - Any chance you can run an IP address search on this account? |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 17:46 - Aug 5 with 3064 views | mightydale |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 17:41 - Aug 5 by Denise_V_Courtnell |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 15:00 - Aug 8 with 2703 views | AndyH |
Find below a number of addresses that you may find useful and please, just jot down a few lines to these people to make them aware of the potential injustice on the cards here. If each one of us sends a letter then it may make them take notice. No one on this forum likes to mention bury and their demise, but if we ALL don't take a stance against these imposters to our game and our club then we we will be the bury of the future. This is our club!
#UpthedaleNotforsale
Sir Tony Lloyd MP
23 The Wheatsheaf,
Baillie St,
Rochdale
OL16 1JZ
Sir Tony Lloyd MP
House of Commons,
London.
SW1A 0AA
mailto:Tony.lloyd.mp@parliament.uk
Chris Clarkson MP
House of Commons,
London.
SW1A 0AA
mailto:Chris.clarkson.mp@parliament.uk
Rick Parry (Chair)
EFL House,
10-12 West Cliff,
Preston,
PR1 8HU
Trevor Birch (Chief Executive)
EFL House,
10-12 West Cliff,
Preston,
PR1 8HU
Debbie Jevans CBE
EFL House,
10-12 West Cliff,
Preston,
PR1 8HU
Andy Burnham (Mayor)
GMCA
Tootal Buildings,
56 Oxford St,
Manchester.
M1 6EU | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 11:11 - Aug 9 with 2596 views | NorthernDale |
The information as also been sent to Tony Lloyd, MP. [Post edited 9 Aug 2021 12:19]
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| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 13:38 - Aug 17 with 2131 views | Marjorie_Plane |
Hello sweeties... anyone heard from Andy Burnham? | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Why Darrell Rose MUST fail the EFL owners test (part 1) on 08:47 - Aug 19 with 1880 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
seems to be a fair amount of press interest this week - lots of queries coming in on social media, so giving these threads a bump. |  |
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