| Next firebreak 22:16 - Nov 16 with 18046 views | controversial_jack |
From a source at the Welsh assembly, 21st December. |  | | |  |
| Next firebreak on 11:44 - Dec 1 with 1064 views | onehunglow |
It is more a social isue,Doc. We were brought up with hard drinking fathers who worked their balls off and used the pub to refresh the soul after a hard shift of toil.
I can recall my mum's street literally having a pub on every corner.We dont need that now.
We dont have industry for a start.
The fact we see hospitality as so vital is the whole point but if you don't agree then fine.It really is.
We drink too much ,we have too many pubs.
People lost jobs in Mines,Mills,Steelworks,Shipbuilding,not to mention car and motor cycle factories and countless other industries in which we were pre-eminent.
This issue does not apply to most countries;we are obsessed with it | |
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| Next firebreak on 12:08 - Dec 1 with 1055 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 08:31 - Dec 1 by angryjack |
No I don't but they picking on pubs when you can catch it in work in shops anywhere,,I'm saying it's proven lockdown don't work keep everything open but be sensible,,,how can you honestly believe half of it anyway they could be telling us anything how do you know all these graphs and figures are true ,where's the proof.its a shambles we going back in England coming out where is the sense ,people from England can still come in work anything we can go out ,it's a shambles and pubs are getting the blame,,,keeping them open but can have food and soft drink...civic must be talking to his mates saying don't go in there they drinking soft drink and eating we can't infect them it's a joke... |
Maybe if we could trust everybody to follow the rules eh? But we all know common sense drains away as alcohol intake increases.
I think everywhere that can follow the rules should stay open and that individuals who break the rules should be punished more. | |
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| Next firebreak on 12:16 - Dec 1 with 1048 views | onehunglow |
| Next firebreak on 12:08 - Dec 1 by Catullus |
Maybe if we could trust everybody to follow the rules eh? But we all know common sense drains away as alcohol intake increases.
I think everywhere that can follow the rules should stay open and that individuals who break the rules should be punished more. |
Jeez.Morning Cat.
Do y know,Im so wrapped up with this ridiculous obsession of pubs.
We saw wholescale industry losses with less indignation than this.
I aint a puritan,far from it and I enjoy a social drink but I have far greater concern over other issues -like the carnage in our town/city centres.
Go to many European cities and you will see "hospitality" that does not include bars . | |
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| Next firebreak on 12:51 - Dec 1 with 1035 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 12:16 - Dec 1 by onehunglow |
Jeez.Morning Cat.
Do y know,Im so wrapped up with this ridiculous obsession of pubs.
We saw wholescale industry losses with less indignation than this.
I aint a puritan,far from it and I enjoy a social drink but I have far greater concern over other issues -like the carnage in our town/city centres.
Go to many European cities and you will see "hospitality" that does not include bars . |
Can you name those cities? | | | |
| Next firebreak on 12:56 - Dec 1 with 1029 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 11:34 - Dec 1 by onehunglow |
Clearly,we are the only country in Europe that sees drinking in pubs as an enshrined right.
We still have a hard drinking mentality.
We cannot stop getting hammered and acting like dickwads-as a nation.
It is part of our sick culture |
Its not all about drinking heavily,to some its the only chance of socialising they get,without a public house they wouldn't see anyone | | | |
| Next firebreak on 13:57 - Dec 1 with 1010 views | onehunglow |
We do not ALL drink to excess angry.I am concerned about the culture of drinking which is very prevalent especially in what are termed ""working class" areas. | |
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| Next firebreak on 18:01 - Dec 1 with 967 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 13:57 - Dec 1 by onehunglow |
We do not ALL drink to excess angry.I am concerned about the culture of drinking which is very prevalent especially in what are termed ""working class" areas. |
Its also not all about the drinkers either a lot a lot of jobs will be lost with people losing jobs,brains have just confirmed tonight they are shutting down 100 pubs I think 1700 jobs lost because the scruffy tw@t drakeford on a power trip,, | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:16 - Dec 1 with 964 views | Boundy |
| Next firebreak on 18:01 - Dec 1 by angryjack |
Its also not all about the drinkers either a lot a lot of jobs will be lost with people losing jobs,brains have just confirmed tonight they are shutting down 100 pubs I think 1700 jobs lost because the scruffy tw@t drakeford on a power trip,, |
Draymen laying off , food suppliers , all that money spent trying to comply with the "guidance" for what exactly .Perspex screens, sanitiser and face masks anyone , i know for a load going cheap. | |
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| Next firebreak on 18:22 - Dec 1 with 960 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 18:16 - Dec 1 by Boundy |
Draymen laying off , food suppliers , all that money spent trying to comply with the "guidance" for what exactly .Perspex screens, sanitiser and face masks anyone , i know for a load going cheap. |
Exactly every pub I been in I have felt safer than going shopping | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:33 - Dec 1 with 957 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 18:01 - Dec 1 by angryjack |
Its also not all about the drinkers either a lot a lot of jobs will be lost with people losing jobs,brains have just confirmed tonight they are shutting down 100 pubs I think 1700 jobs lost because the scruffy tw@t drakeford on a power trip,, |
I thought Brains were temporarily closing down and furloughing everybody on 80% of their wages?
Tim from Wetherspoons reckons there's no evidence it's being spread in pubs. Bearing in mind hos own self interest that means somebody is lying and my natural cynicism towards politicians is tilting my opinion towards the Senedd!
It is odd though. We are told it's not spreading in so many places but nobody argues that it's spreading at home, maybe we need to close our homes down and alternate between work, shopping and pubs!
Serious question, if it's not spreading in shops, pubs, schools and workplaces then how is it spreading so much? | |
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| Next firebreak on 18:48 - Dec 1 with 950 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 18:33 - Dec 1 by Catullus |
I thought Brains were temporarily closing down and furloughing everybody on 80% of their wages?
Tim from Wetherspoons reckons there's no evidence it's being spread in pubs. Bearing in mind hos own self interest that means somebody is lying and my natural cynicism towards politicians is tilting my opinion towards the Senedd!
It is odd though. We are told it's not spreading in so many places but nobody argues that it's spreading at home, maybe we need to close our homes down and alternate between work, shopping and pubs!
Serious question, if it's not spreading in shops, pubs, schools and workplaces then how is it spreading so much? |
Is it though,or is it what they want tell us they can tell us anything how do we know any different, could be propaganda for a deeper reason | | | |
| Next firebreak on 19:00 - Dec 1 with 948 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 18:48 - Dec 1 by angryjack |
Is it though,or is it what they want tell us they can tell us anything how do we know any different, could be propaganda for a deeper reason |
Yeah maybe they're trying to kill off the old and sick. Be very wary if any new "green" foods called Soylent appear. | |
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| Next firebreak on 19:50 - Dec 1 with 937 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 18:33 - Dec 1 by Catullus |
I thought Brains were temporarily closing down and furloughing everybody on 80% of their wages?
Tim from Wetherspoons reckons there's no evidence it's being spread in pubs. Bearing in mind hos own self interest that means somebody is lying and my natural cynicism towards politicians is tilting my opinion towards the Senedd!
It is odd though. We are told it's not spreading in so many places but nobody argues that it's spreading at home, maybe we need to close our homes down and alternate between work, shopping and pubs!
Serious question, if it's not spreading in shops, pubs, schools and workplaces then how is it spreading so much? |
The trace and protect people are finding evidence of spread in pubs and private homes. They are not finding evidence of spread through shops. This is backed up that the rates went down when non essential shops opened without people using masks but the cases started increasing about 2 weeks after pubs opened indoors and were coming back from holidays abroad. Look at the actual figures not people with vested interests. Pubs opened indoors on 3 August. The figures started increasing from 15 August and continued to rise until the firebreak. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 20:00 - Dec 1 with 934 views | onehunglow |
| Next firebreak on 18:33 - Dec 1 by Catullus |
I thought Brains were temporarily closing down and furloughing everybody on 80% of their wages?
Tim from Wetherspoons reckons there's no evidence it's being spread in pubs. Bearing in mind hos own self interest that means somebody is lying and my natural cynicism towards politicians is tilting my opinion towards the Senedd!
It is odd though. We are told it's not spreading in so many places but nobody argues that it's spreading at home, maybe we need to close our homes down and alternate between work, shopping and pubs!
Serious question, if it's not spreading in shops, pubs, schools and workplaces then how is it spreading so much? |
Tim from Spoons. Now there's a guy to trust.Innit. He s in business for the public good  | |
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| Next firebreak on 20:46 - Dec 1 with 926 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 19:50 - Dec 1 by exhmrc1 |
The trace and protect people are finding evidence of spread in pubs and private homes. They are not finding evidence of spread through shops. This is backed up that the rates went down when non essential shops opened without people using masks but the cases started increasing about 2 weeks after pubs opened indoors and were coming back from holidays abroad. Look at the actual figures not people with vested interests. Pubs opened indoors on 3 August. The figures started increasing from 15 August and continued to rise until the firebreak. |
They can tell you that.. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 20:58 - Dec 1 with 908 views | Boundy |
| Next firebreak on 19:50 - Dec 1 by exhmrc1 |
The trace and protect people are finding evidence of spread in pubs and private homes. They are not finding evidence of spread through shops. This is backed up that the rates went down when non essential shops opened without people using masks but the cases started increasing about 2 weeks after pubs opened indoors and were coming back from holidays abroad. Look at the actual figures not people with vested interests. Pubs opened indoors on 3 August. The figures started increasing from 15 August and continued to rise until the firebreak. |
But no government minister has come out with exactly where the higher areas of rises are occurring , if you wish don't watch the clip watch the whole interview.
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| Next firebreak on 21:04 - Dec 1 with 900 views | Andy1300 |
| Next firebreak on 20:58 - Dec 1 by Boundy |
But no government minister has come out with exactly where the higher areas of rises are occurring , if you wish don't watch the clip watch the whole interview.
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None of this makes any sense anymore |  |
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| Next firebreak on 21:20 - Dec 1 with 891 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 20:46 - Dec 1 by angryjack |
They can tell you that.. |
The vast majority of people I know who have had it, know where they have picked it up and most of those from work or car sharing. It has then spread through the family often because lockdown rules are ignored.
I know one person who thinks she caught it from a trip to the Dr and one who openly admits he caught it from his brother in law as they used a home gym together and didn't socially distance. His brother in law caught it in work as a prison officer.
I think what shows the relatively limited amount of public spread is the small fall in cases over the Firebreak. I think it was less than 30%?
The biggest super spreader event I know of happens every weekend in my in laws house where at least 5 households and up to 15 people gather in a Penlan council house. Mother in law is 78 in March with COPD and a dodgy heart. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 21:35 - Dec 1 with 884 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 20:46 - Dec 1 by angryjack |
They can tell you that.. |
i have a spreadsheet from the end of April. It clearly shows when the cases went down and increased. The info re cases were openly stated by government ministers back in late August/early September when cases started increasing. Vaughan Gething actual highlighted how cases spread from 4 people returning from holidays and who and how they infected. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 22:35 - Dec 1 with 875 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 21:20 - Dec 1 by Scotia |
The vast majority of people I know who have had it, know where they have picked it up and most of those from work or car sharing. It has then spread through the family often because lockdown rules are ignored.
I know one person who thinks she caught it from a trip to the Dr and one who openly admits he caught it from his brother in law as they used a home gym together and didn't socially distance. His brother in law caught it in work as a prison officer.
I think what shows the relatively limited amount of public spread is the small fall in cases over the Firebreak. I think it was less than 30%?
The biggest super spreader event I know of happens every weekend in my in laws house where at least 5 households and up to 15 people gather in a Penlan council house. Mother in law is 78 in March with COPD and a dodgy heart. |
Why haven't you reported them? | | | |
| Next firebreak on 06:42 - Dec 2 with 844 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 21:20 - Dec 1 by Scotia |
The vast majority of people I know who have had it, know where they have picked it up and most of those from work or car sharing. It has then spread through the family often because lockdown rules are ignored.
I know one person who thinks she caught it from a trip to the Dr and one who openly admits he caught it from his brother in law as they used a home gym together and didn't socially distance. His brother in law caught it in work as a prison officer.
I think what shows the relatively limited amount of public spread is the small fall in cases over the Firebreak. I think it was less than 30%?
The biggest super spreader event I know of happens every weekend in my in laws house where at least 5 households and up to 15 people gather in a Penlan council house. Mother in law is 78 in March with COPD and a dodgy heart. |
Not one pub mentioned in all that | | | |
| Next firebreak on 06:50 - Dec 2 with 843 views | angryjack |
| Next firebreak on 21:35 - Dec 1 by exhmrc1 |
i have a spreadsheet from the end of April. It clearly shows when the cases went down and increased. The info re cases were openly stated by government ministers back in late August/early September when cases started increasing. Vaughan Gething actual highlighted how cases spread from 4 people returning from holidays and who and how they infected. |
Still that spread sheet is from information that the government is saying which we know no different | | | |
| Next firebreak on 07:26 - Dec 2 with 827 views | Scotia |
A couple of reasons.
1, it wouldn't stop them doing it the next week. Xmas night will be worse than normal.
2, they couldn't afford to pay a fine and wouldn't pay it. Me and the Mrs would probably have to.
3, my wife and I have told them the risks and they ignore them. On their heads be it. They'll be first to kick up a fuss if they can't visit their mother in hospital. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 07:27 - Dec 2 with 826 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 06:42 - Dec 2 by angryjack |
Not one pub mentioned in all that |
In the right circumstances they aren't a problem. Unfortunately the government have messed up throughout and made them a small problem and an easy scapegoat. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 12:01]
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| Next firebreak on 10:00 - Dec 2 with 804 views | Catullus |
| Next firebreak on 07:27 - Dec 2 by Scotia |
In the right circumstances they aren't a problem. Unfortunately the government have messed up throughout and made them a small problem and an easy scapegoat. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 12:01]
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That was why I asked the question because the answer seems to be it's spreading at home. By closing down places it's not spreading but relaxing the rules for Christmas they are potentialy creating a storm.
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