| Trump 09:43 - Oct 27 with 131722 views | Hooparoo |
An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first. |  |
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| Trump on 17:53 - Nov 4 with 2434 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Trump on 17:46 - Nov 4 by R_from_afar |
What? 
I e-mailed the EFL to let them know and they replied to say they will delay the kick-off, but can you please let them know what time works for you? |
Do you remember that old joke everyone used to tell you when they said you were Rangers?
Rangers fan rings Loftus Road.
"What time is the game?"
"What time can you get here?"
The amount of people I mentally punched. Really hard. |  |
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| Trump on 17:55 - Nov 4 with 2422 views | robith |
| Trump on 16:50 - Nov 4 by TheChef |
I have to admit I couldn't understand how Biden ended up as the candidate, is there really no one else in the Democratic party who is viable?
Being given a choice of two establishment 70-somethings is a very loose approximation of democracy, but hasn't that always been the case (even including Obama's time in office)? |
I read somewhere that Obama lost about 1,000 seats across the country during his presidency, meaning the prospective pool of Dems was decimated. You basically had the old guard and a load of weirdos |  | | |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 with 2398 views | Northernr |
| Trump on 17:42 - Nov 4 by Juzzie |
You'd expect the BBC to be above all that but they're just the same.....sensationalism is what it's all about the days.
In the early days of the first lockdown and panic buying was just starting to happen, you'd think the media outlets such as the BBC would try and calm it down by saying something along the lines of "We're hearing reports of people stockpiling. Please don't. The supply chain is good, the shops are open please carry on as normal" etc etc.
but they didn't , they went along with the hysteria and it was only a couple of days later did they start taking the sensible narrative. Too late by then. Well fkin done. |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |  | | |
| Trump on 18:06 - Nov 4 with 2375 views | CincyHoop |
| Trump on 17:10 - Nov 4 by MrSheen |
Hey Cincy, when was the last time Ohio didn't go with the winner?
(Just checked, JFK in 1960!) [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 17:12]
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Impressive record and Ohio is genuinely a decent cross-section of Republicans and Democrats so kind of makes sense.
Hamilton county where I live was always going to be a blue county given the urban environment. My hometown county voted 82% for Trump, and Trump received 2k more votes in this election than the previous election.
Lots of people crying in their beers up there, assuming the worst. Its really pathetic in my opinion, but that's why they are opinions, everyone can have one! |  | | |
| Trump on 18:08 - Nov 4 with 2364 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
Don't know Owen Jones well or the other two at all but I agree with your post otherwise.
CNN and MSNBC may be trying to appear neutral but they're failing miserably and they're often offering opinions as facts. | |
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| Trump on 18:15 - Nov 4 with 2327 views | Match82 |
| Trump on 18:08 - Nov 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Don't know Owen Jones well or the other two at all but I agree with your post otherwise.
CNN and MSNBC may be trying to appear neutral but they're failing miserably and they're often offering opinions as facts. |
It's a slippery slope we have been on for a while.
People have a natural tendency for good reason, to believe it two competing parties both offer a perspective on something, then the truth is somewhere in the middle.
So when one side presents actual facts and the other side presents unsubstantiated information then people tied to one party are going to believe whatever their side presents and the people in between are going to assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Now that "middle" is skewing towards the unsubstantiated claims. How you do shift it back to the true middle? Only way is to make more egregious claims about your own side.
Now no fcker is reporting the actual truth, any kind of moderate position or nuanced perspective is futile and we're left with a bunch of cnts on both sides of the aisle. Lucky us |  | | |
| Trump on 18:36 - Nov 4 with 2269 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Trump on 18:08 - Nov 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Don't know Owen Jones well or the other two at all but I agree with your post otherwise.
CNN and MSNBC may be trying to appear neutral but they're failing miserably and they're often offering opinions as facts. |
Owen Jones, who I am no fan of, is the only one of those three that actually studied journalism. Predictably, I do not agree that he is the Left wing equivalent to the dubious politics of Grimes and Harwood, but I understand why Norf has to make that caveat in this forum to avoid a bun fight.
For me, as long as journalism relies on profitability and private financing from billionaires, and remains a commercial industry rather than a service it will always be swayed into sensationalism and follow the £ note and move away from the ideal journalistic standards that Norf mentioned.
I have no issue with the bias of journalists, because they are human. It’s the partial motives of the owners that concerns me. I have no issue with The Spectator having a pop at Corbyn and the left for example, because that’s what they are for. I resent the fact that it’s owners (the Barclay brothers) are based in a tax haven. How can the Spectator expect to be impartial on issues such as tax or electoral reform for example?
I read a political book written by a journalist recently in which I was quoted and a incident involving me and a MP was recalled. The quote and details of the incident was false. I was not contacted despite my contact details being easily available to the writer. They instead asked two people, both of who were hostile to the project I was working on and got the version of events they wanted out into the public domain without a right of reply from me or the MP.
I’m sure these views will result in one of the usual headbangers calling me a Commie Cnt who should fck off to China/Russia but private ownership of media should be illegal and replaced with a democratic independent (yes independent) state funded but free from state interference system of accountable journalism.
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| Trump on 18:38 - Nov 4 with 2262 views | wood_hoop |
| Trump on 18:15 - Nov 4 by Match82 |
It's a slippery slope we have been on for a while.
People have a natural tendency for good reason, to believe it two competing parties both offer a perspective on something, then the truth is somewhere in the middle.
So when one side presents actual facts and the other side presents unsubstantiated information then people tied to one party are going to believe whatever their side presents and the people in between are going to assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Now that "middle" is skewing towards the unsubstantiated claims. How you do shift it back to the true middle? Only way is to make more egregious claims about your own side.
Now no fcker is reporting the actual truth, any kind of moderate position or nuanced perspective is futile and we're left with a bunch of cnts on both sides of the aisle. Lucky us |
Was watching ITV this morning a very rare occurence, wouldn't say Piers Morgan would top any list of mine, but the Government has refused to appear on Good Morning Britain for over 6 months, this is one of the major morning TV channels, so our Government and its side kicks are avoiding any shows that may ask those awkward questions.
Dosn't say that much about the BBC or Sky news that their spin will not be put through the wringer too much.
Trump is the same with his allegiance to Fox, so unless you watch countless channels hard to know exactly where facts/truths really lie. |  | | |
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| Trump on 18:48 - Nov 4 with 2210 views | robith |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
During the Cummings scandal Kuenssberg was basically running defence for Dom *against another journalist*
Couldn't believe my eyes.
But be fair on Tom Harwood now - he's swallowed a lot of shit to get where he is today [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 18:49]
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| Trump on 18:50 - Nov 4 with 2197 views | PinnerPaul |
Biden now out to 4/11, Trump 2/1 | | | |
| Trump on 18:58 - Nov 4 with 2173 views | robith |
| Trump on 18:50 - Nov 4 by PinnerPaul |
Biden now out to 4/11, Trump 2/1 |
£456m matched on this betfair market. Unreal | | | |
| Trump on 23:40 - Nov 4 with 1958 views | GaryT |
| Trump on 14:06 - Nov 4 by gobbles |
Biden ahead in Michigan and Wisconsin now. Won't need Pennsylvania or Georgia if he gets those two plus Arizona and Nevada |
If Nevada hadn't called it a day after their in person counting was done, it would be all over now.
Rudolph and Don 'charlie' Jnr making absolute tools of themselves howling at the moon and pouring fuel on the fire...as they are saying in Derby tonight, fooking wañkers
Bar the whining and sham court cases, Biden has 4 years without a senate majority to mend the wounds of a broken country....at least the rest of us will sleep a little better tonight. [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 23:40]
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| Trump on 23:46 - Nov 4 with 1934 views | CamberleyR |
| Trump on 23:40 - Nov 4 by GaryT |
If Nevada hadn't called it a day after their in person counting was done, it would be all over now.
Rudolph and Don 'charlie' Jnr making absolute tools of themselves howling at the moon and pouring fuel on the fire...as they are saying in Derby tonight, fooking wañkers
Bar the whining and sham court cases, Biden has 4 years without a senate majority to mend the wounds of a broken country....at least the rest of us will sleep a little better tonight. [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 23:40]
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"If Nevada hadn't called it a day after their in person counting was done, it would be all over now. "
There was another state that did that when I was watching the coverage last night. I couldn't believe it. You'd surely expect there to be a relief team of counters ready to take over when one lot had done their shift? |  |
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| Trump on 23:53 - Nov 4 with 1906 views | GaryT |
| Trump on 23:40 - Nov 4 by GaryT |
If Nevada hadn't called it a day after their in person counting was done, it would be all over now.
Rudolph and Don 'charlie' Jnr making absolute tools of themselves howling at the moon and pouring fuel on the fire...as they are saying in Derby tonight, fooking wañkers
Bar the whining and sham court cases, Biden has 4 years without a senate majority to mend the wounds of a broken country....at least the rest of us will sleep a little better tonight. [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 23:40]
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North Carolina haven't updated their numbers in over 14 hours so I'm guessing it was them?
I heard someone got on the blower to Nevada and the cleaning lady is opening up there tonight to help kick start the mail in ballot processing...so that's nice. 
*Edit* Was meant to be quoting CamberleyR but managed to quote myself. [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 0:01]
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| Trump on 07:12 - Nov 5 with 1731 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Trump on 18:48 - Nov 4 by robith |
During the Cummings scandal Kuenssberg was basically running defence for Dom *against another journalist*
Couldn't believe my eyes.
But be fair on Tom Harwood now - he's swallowed a lot of shit to get where he is today [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 18:49]
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More than that I’d guess. | | | |
| Trump on 07:48 - Nov 5 with 1678 views | traininvain |
Arizona is tightening and might go Trump’s way. Similar story in Pennsylvania and Georgia for Biden.
This is going to the wire! |  | | |
| Trump on 08:05 - Nov 5 with 1634 views | JamesB1979 |
Why can’t all the states count the postal votes first and just add those votes to the ones on the day. It shouldn’t take this long to determine the winner and would avoid this “late votes swing it” nonsense. | | | |
| Trump on 08:13 - Nov 5 with 1600 views | nix |
| Trump on 08:05 - Nov 5 by JamesB1979 |
Why can’t all the states count the postal votes first and just add those votes to the ones on the day. It shouldn’t take this long to determine the winner and would avoid this “late votes swing it” nonsense. |
I think I read somewhere they've been told they weren't allowed to do this. Trump wanted to make it as difficult as possible to count the postal votes as they're believed to be disproportionately Democratic votes. |  | | |
| Trump on 08:49 - Nov 5 with 2454 views | BAWHoops |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
Clive, did you watch any of CNN's election coverage? Was superb and completely steered away from this.
Was 75% data and fact driven. No stupid Vox Pop's, or mouthpieces. When Trump went on his rant about fraud they called it out immediately.
Was incredibly refreshing and the complete antidote to how news has been made the last few years.
As for the guys on the touch screen, wow. They knew the minutia of every county in America, flagged what to look for etc.
It really was stunning |  |
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| Trump on 09:07 - Nov 5 with 2396 views | Phildo |
| Trump on 08:49 - Nov 5 by BAWHoops |
Clive, did you watch any of CNN's election coverage? Was superb and completely steered away from this.
Was 75% data and fact driven. No stupid Vox Pop's, or mouthpieces. When Trump went on his rant about fraud they called it out immediately.
Was incredibly refreshing and the complete antidote to how news has been made the last few years.
As for the guys on the touch screen, wow. They knew the minutia of every county in America, flagged what to look for etc.
It really was stunning |
I watched a bit of ABC then caught CNN and thought it was excellent. The BBC TV coverage was embarrassingly bad. I remember my father in law who had been a lifelong diplomat telling me 20 years ago that the UK needed the BBC more than it needed the particular government of the day and I always tried to defend it from attacks from both sides. Now I am not so sure as it seems to have completely lost its way. |  | | |
| Trump on 09:34 - Nov 5 with 2342 views | derbyhoop |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
Amen to that.
Harwood/Grimes vs Owen Jones are 2 sides of the same coin.
The best political commentator I've read recently is Tony Connelly from RTE. I respect Katya Adler, as well. She presents the view from Brussels and gets pilloried for spouting EU propaganda, when it is just news from a non-UK partisan point of view. |  |
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| Trump on 09:54 - Nov 5 with 2286 views | daveB |
| Trump on 17:42 - Nov 4 by Juzzie |
You'd expect the BBC to be above all that but they're just the same.....sensationalism is what it's all about the days.
In the early days of the first lockdown and panic buying was just starting to happen, you'd think the media outlets such as the BBC would try and calm it down by saying something along the lines of "We're hearing reports of people stockpiling. Please don't. The supply chain is good, the shops are open please carry on as normal" etc etc.
but they didn't , they went along with the hysteria and it was only a couple of days later did they start taking the sensible narrative. Too late by then. Well fkin done. |
All the news shows i saw at the time on BBC, ITV and Channel 4 were all saying that you shouldn't panic buy and had interviews with supermarkets saying they have loads of supply so calm down. They did show the maniacs all panic buying and that is all people remember |  | | |
| Trump on 09:57 - Nov 5 with 2280 views | GaryT |
| Trump on 08:13 - Nov 5 by nix |
I think I read somewhere they've been told they weren't allowed to do this. Trump wanted to make it as difficult as possible to count the postal votes as they're believed to be disproportionately Democratic votes. |
I read that 46 states could process their mail in ballots before election day but the rest were stopped from doing so. One of the joys of each state being a law unto themselves and at the mercy of corrupting powers. | | | |
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