| Lotto News on 15:09 - May 24 with 2124 views | Reedy |
| Lotto News on 15:04 - May 24 by judd |
Who says Goldbond has ended?
It hasn't.. Just the way the cash is collected. |
Might not have ended, but it will be considerably smaller than it was! |  |
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| Lotto News on 18:11 - May 24 with 2001 views | Brierls |
| Lotto News on 15:04 - May 24 by judd |
Who says Goldbond has ended?
It hasn't.. Just the way the cash is collected. |
Did you not get that letter either?
Goldbond was replaced by the Dale Lotto, no? Now an agent-led Dale Lotto has been scrapped. |  | | |
| Lotto News on 18:24 - May 24 with 1980 views | Brierls |
| Lotto News on 14:59 - May 24 by Reedy |
It can’t have run it’s course if people still went out every week to collect though? There’s demand there, so it makes no sense to say it’s run it’s course.
Your probably right about people being unhappy if we were informed first, however we weren’t and I (and others) still haven’t.
Do you honestly think it’s worth going out 50 weeks of the year for a couple of quid and a £30 season ticket? Because it’s really, really not. It has been beneficial to me, no doubt, but if I took on a different job for two hours paying minimum wage, I would be considerably better off.
Your point about the season ticket may have been true a few years ago, but the price of season tickets has come down substantially in the past few years, and over 100 agents are still collecting from there members.
My attitude is that I want to carry on collecting from my members because I enjoy it, and more importantly I know virtually none of my members will sign up via direct debit, so the club will be losing a lot of money just off my round, never mind all the others.
It’s not just a massive own goal in terms of communication with supporters, agents and members, it’s also a massive own goal financially, and wherever you stand on the issue, that’s very, very worrying. |
How do you know it’s a massive own goal financially? Are you privy to facts and figures that aren’t in the public domain?
As far as I can see, your emotive posts are based on your own situation, not the bigger picture.
Maybe the money coming in to Dale Lotto via agents isn’t delivering enough margin for that model to be an ongoing concern. Maybe the guidelines and indications are that things are going to be very difficult to have agents collecting money post lockdown for a long time. Who knows? I certainly don’t. | | | |
| Lotto News on 18:41 - May 24 with 1955 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 18:11 - May 24 by Brierls |
Did you not get that letter either?
Goldbond was replaced by the Dale Lotto, no? Now an agent-led Dale Lotto has been scrapped. |
Whatever you want to call it, the lottery will continue but without doorstep collections. |  |
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| Lotto News on 19:00 - May 24 with 1927 views | Reedy |
| Lotto News on 18:24 - May 24 by Brierls |
How do you know it’s a massive own goal financially? Are you privy to facts and figures that aren’t in the public domain?
As far as I can see, your emotive posts are based on your own situation, not the bigger picture.
Maybe the money coming in to Dale Lotto via agents isn’t delivering enough margin for that model to be an ongoing concern. Maybe the guidelines and indications are that things are going to be very difficult to have agents collecting money post lockdown for a long time. Who knows? I certainly don’t. |
The lottery has somewhere between 5,000-6,000 paying members (last I was told, which was last year) each member paying 50p each (if you have £1 you are counted as two members)
Take it in the middle at 5,500 (it used to be considerably higher) that’s £2,750 per week. This is off the old goldbond system and not including any new dale lotto members.
Minus prizes of £700 per week & 15% commission, your left with over £1,600 per week or just over £85,000 per annum. Even if my opening figures are slightly out, it’s still a massive own goal financially.
If half sign up to the direct debit (which is very unlikely) then on the above sums your left with £675 per week or just over £35,000 per annum. I very much doubt we’ve got £50,000 to throw away.
My posts are based on the financial side of the club, which will be struggling like virtually every other business across the country at the moment, and the way it has communicated this. [Post edited 24 May 2020 19:08]
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| Lotto News on 19:37 - May 24 with 1865 views | ncfc_chalky |
Im in the Dale lotto and it costs me £8 pm so where does 50p pw come from?
If Dale Lotto is run as a business then it should be paid via direct debit and if I'm brutally honest I can't believe that there is/was doorstep collections for the money,I thought that stuff like that went out with ration books and cobbled streets
The direct debit takes about five minutes to set up and then you forget about it,collections are made in the 15th of each month if it's relevant to your finances |  |
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| Lotto News on 19:47 - May 24 with 1848 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 19:37 - May 24 by ncfc_chalky |
Im in the Dale lotto and it costs me £8 pm so where does 50p pw come from?
If Dale Lotto is run as a business then it should be paid via direct debit and if I'm brutally honest I can't believe that there is/was doorstep collections for the money,I thought that stuff like that went out with ration books and cobbled streets
The direct debit takes about five minutes to set up and then you forget about it,collections are made in the 15th of each month if it's relevant to your finances |
Chalky, a new lottery was introduced at £2 per week,.direct debit payment.
The existing lottery (Goldbond) had run for about 30 years and currently has c..5,500 members. When they were asked to switch from cash to DD less than 50.did so.
In looking at what competing organisations do, the fact that we did not want customer bank details was a major factor for a lot of elderly customers. We are up against Air Ambulance, animal sanctuaries, childrens charities.etc all of which did not have collectors. I reckon a Dale agent is paid the equivalent of £2 per hour to do this service. | |
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| Lotto News on 19:49 - May 24 with 1846 views | 100notout |
| Lotto News on 19:47 - May 24 by judd |
Chalky, a new lottery was introduced at £2 per week,.direct debit payment.
The existing lottery (Goldbond) had run for about 30 years and currently has c..5,500 members. When they were asked to switch from cash to DD less than 50.did so.
In looking at what competing organisations do, the fact that we did not want customer bank details was a major factor for a lot of elderly customers. We are up against Air Ambulance, animal sanctuaries, childrens charities.etc all of which did not have collectors. I reckon a Dale agent is paid the equivalent of £2 per hour to do this service. |
so is there 2 lotteries? Goldbond and Dale Lotto? | |
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| Lotto News on 19:58 - May 24 with 1818 views | Reedy |
| Lotto News on 19:49 - May 24 by 100notout |
so is there 2 lotteries? Goldbond and Dale Lotto? |
No, goldbond is the old version of dale lotto. If you were a goldbond member, you were simply transferred over to the new lotto. | |
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| Lotto News on 20:01 - May 24 with 1807 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto News on 19:47 - May 24 by judd |
Chalky, a new lottery was introduced at £2 per week,.direct debit payment.
The existing lottery (Goldbond) had run for about 30 years and currently has c..5,500 members. When they were asked to switch from cash to DD less than 50.did so.
In looking at what competing organisations do, the fact that we did not want customer bank details was a major factor for a lot of elderly customers. We are up against Air Ambulance, animal sanctuaries, childrens charities.etc all of which did not have collectors. I reckon a Dale agent is paid the equivalent of £2 per hour to do this service. |
Ahhh I see judd,I thought that Dale Lotto was Goldbond but rebranded and if over 5000 people like a doorstep collection and there are supporters who are prepared to put in the hard work then who am I to stick my nose in  | |
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| Lotto News on 20:04 - May 24 with 1801 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto News on 19:58 - May 24 by Reedy |
No, goldbond is the old version of dale lotto. If you were a goldbond member, you were simply transferred over to the new lotto. |
FFS... Just when I thought that I got it  | |
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| Lotto News on 20:04 - May 24 with 1797 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 19:49 - May 24 by 100notout |
so is there 2 lotteries? Goldbond and Dale Lotto? |
As Reedy says, your Goldbond 7 numbers transferred to one number in the new Lotto.
As I understand it, Goldbond members cannot win above a certain level of prize but I would need that confirming.
I'm sure it will have been in the letter | |
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| Lotto News on 20:15 - May 24 with 1771 views | Reedy |
| Lotto News on 20:04 - May 24 by judd |
As Reedy says, your Goldbond 7 numbers transferred to one number in the new Lotto.
As I understand it, Goldbond members cannot win above a certain level of prize but I would need that confirming.
I'm sure it will have been in the letter |
Judd is once again correct. The monetary prizes are the same for both goldbond and dale lotto members. But dale lotto members have access to “money can’t buy prizes” which aren’t available to goldbond members, even if those goldbond members pay in £2 or even more than £2, | |
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| Lotto News on 20:29 - May 24 with 1755 views | AtThePeake |
| Lotto News on 07:12 - May 24 by smaclad1 |
It's not taken long has it. It's only been a week or so since the Board were being praised on the guiding of the club through the current crisis and comments made that this Bottomley chap might not be as bad as some first thought. One 'wrong' move and the ills of the world are being placed on his shoulders again.
Is there any truth in the rumour he visited China on holiday last November/December? |
Maybe it's simply a case that the board are criticised for actions that fans disagree with and praised for actions fans agree with, in the same way that players are criticised for poor performances and praised for good performances. |  |
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| Lotto News on 21:05 - May 24 with 1701 views | 100notout |
so an original goldbond member pays 50p a week but a new dale lotto member pays £2 per week? | |
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| Lotto News on 21:23 - May 24 with 1675 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 21:05 - May 24 by 100notout |
so an original goldbond member pays 50p a week but a new dale lotto member pays £2 per week? |
Minimum 50p. I think I have 2 on my round that pay less than a quid.
The new Lotto is £2
The link in the article sacking agents suggests members can sign up from as little as £1 per week for DD/SO
Not sure where this all stands with the gaming authorities because I always thought that everyone partaking in a lottery paid the same ticket price. | |
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| Lotto News on 21:26 - May 24 with 1669 views | 100notout |
| Lotto News on 21:23 - May 24 by judd |
Minimum 50p. I think I have 2 on my round that pay less than a quid.
The new Lotto is £2
The link in the article sacking agents suggests members can sign up from as little as £1 per week for DD/SO
Not sure where this all stands with the gaming authorities because I always thought that everyone partaking in a lottery paid the same ticket price. |
and for the same prizes!
They really have made a pigs ear of what was a very very very good (and ,lucrative for the club) scheme. | |
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| Lotto News on 21:30 - May 24 with 1655 views | Reedy |
| Lotto News on 21:23 - May 24 by judd |
Minimum 50p. I think I have 2 on my round that pay less than a quid.
The new Lotto is £2
The link in the article sacking agents suggests members can sign up from as little as £1 per week for DD/SO
Not sure where this all stands with the gaming authorities because I always thought that everyone partaking in a lottery paid the same ticket price. |
The vast majority of my members are (were) £1 per week, a couple had 50p and a couple had £2. 50p means you have seven numbers, £1 means you have 14 etc.
I was always under the impression that the new lotto by DD was minimum £2 and there was no movement on this, if you only wanted to pay £1, you weren’t put on the old goldbond way, the club was only interested in new members paying £2. | |
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| Lotto News on 21:34 - May 24 with 1644 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 21:30 - May 24 by Reedy |
The vast majority of my members are (were) £1 per week, a couple had 50p and a couple had £2. 50p means you have seven numbers, £1 means you have 14 etc.
I was always under the impression that the new lotto by DD was minimum £2 and there was no movement on this, if you only wanted to pay £1, you weren’t put on the old goldbond way, the club was only interested in new members paying £2. |
Have you any idea who Place Enterprise are?
The MD was trying to sign fans up to the new scheme at a few home games last (this?) Season. | |
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| Lotto News on 21:34 - May 24 with 1643 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto News on 21:23 - May 24 by judd |
Minimum 50p. I think I have 2 on my round that pay less than a quid.
The new Lotto is £2
The link in the article sacking agents suggests members can sign up from as little as £1 per week for DD/SO
Not sure where this all stands with the gaming authorities because I always thought that everyone partaking in a lottery paid the same ticket price. |
When the bookies are open I do the Irish lottery and you can stake whatever you want,the more you stake the more you win,£2 will win double what £1 will | |
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| Lotto News on 21:38 - May 24 with 1637 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 21:34 - May 24 by ncfc_chalky |
When the bookies are open I do the Irish lottery and you can stake whatever you want,the more you stake the more you win,£2 will win double what £1 will |
Or the more you lose | |
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| Lotto News on 21:48 - May 24 with 1620 views | Reedy |
| Lotto News on 21:34 - May 24 by judd |
Have you any idea who Place Enterprise are?
The MD was trying to sign fans up to the new scheme at a few home games last (this?) Season. |
According to companies house they’re a betting and gambling business based business based out of a cul-de-sac on the Wirral.
There accounts are up to date from September 2019 and show current capital and reserves of just over £3,000.
Trying to sign fans up to the new dale lotto? I was always under the impression that the new lottery was run by a company owned (or run by) former Burnley chairman Barry Kilby? | |
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| Lotto News on 21:48 - May 24 with 1618 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto News on 21:38 - May 24 by judd |
Or the more you lose |
Absolutely but I was just pointing out that you can pay whatever you want on some lottos | |
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| Lotto News on 21:51 - May 24 with 1611 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 21:48 - May 24 by ncfc_chalky |
Absolutely but I was just pointing out that you can pay whatever you want on some lottos |
The ticket price will be the same. You are just entering the draw multiple times. | |
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| Lotto News on 21:54 - May 24 with 1604 views | judd |
| Lotto News on 21:48 - May 24 by Reedy |
According to companies house they’re a betting and gambling business based business based out of a cul-de-sac on the Wirral.
There accounts are up to date from September 2019 and show current capital and reserves of just over £3,000.
Trying to sign fans up to the new dale lotto? I was always under the impression that the new lottery was run by a company owned (or run by) former Burnley chairman Barry Kilby? |
I've done my research on them via same route, cheers.
Yes, I was chatting to Alex for a good while. I could not get out of him how he was paid, doubt he was doing it for no financial recompense.
The other lot you mention I believe are a charity that we, sorry, the club pays 20% of lotto takings to. | |
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