| Requiem 15:39 - Jun 5 with 11108 views | Davillin |
Unlike most of you, I was not born a Swansea supporter; I chose Swansea and have been a fan and a supporter for 20 years. I chose Swansea because when I first became interested, Swansea was a brave struggler against the odds, a team with character as well as characters who were interesting to say the least.
I confirmed my choice when I began to make live friends with other supporters, began to know and enjoy Swansea and South Wales, and began to make my contributions to supporterdom. I was a happy guy.
I enjoyed the ride to the top of the world and the reward of supporting a Premier League club. I deeply enjoyed Swansea signing one of the top managers in football -- Francesco Guidolin, a man who wanted so much to remain Swansea's manager that he humbled himself to continue.
Now, however, others -- not Swansea persons -- are in control, and that gives me a sense of loss as strong as Guidolin's hiring gave me joy. Sadly, the club's exaggerated monetary windfall makes the notion of new owners "putting money into the club" even more of a joke as a good portion of the windfall will ultimately be a windfall to the new owners compared with what will get to club coffers.
A club whose dedication from Swansea and Swansea supporters, and in particular, from the Swansea City Supporters Trust, has now become the "prize" to outsiders who literally shopped around for a club to buy, their decision based, as we all know, on the relative financial rewards. They now own 60% of the club, which gives them almost total control. They and the share-sellers will have made all the right bets, and won. History tells me that everybody else will lose.
I am hurt and offended by the fact that some shareholders gave away control of the club to people who are fans only of the money in their pockets, and gave it away to fill their own. I believe that they did not have tie right to do that -- legally, yes, but not morally. Swansea City Football Club will reap the rot that will follow. It will never be the same, and that's heart-breaking.
I cannot face the possibility that, after all these years, I could be forced to watch the unpleasantness that is sure to come. I don't know exactly what it will be, but ultimately it will be the same as a pimp getting rid of a worn-out old whore.
Most of you will hang on, hoping against hope that somehow, in time, it will all turn out O.K. Remember this: hope springs eternal, but always lands in reality. I wish you and Swansea City Football Club all of the very best, but I'll take my reality now instead of waiting for the full blast of reality to come, whatever it might be.
To the Supporters Trust, please remember and always keep to the principles upon which you were founded. To supporters, please join the Trust and stay a member always. It's still your only real hope.
To the many persons who became good friends in person and on the Internet, and to the others who always treated me fairly and courteously, I send my deepest thanks. It mattered a lot. To those who remained generously neutral toward me, I thank you for that, too. The rest mean nothing to me, and are already being forgotten.
It was a great ride; and I'm glad I took it. Now I intend to find and embrace peace of mind about Swansea City Football Club and everyone associated with it. |  |
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| Requiem on 22:08 - Jun 6 with 1586 views | Dr_Winston |
Again and again people keep missing the point.
It's not what they did. It's entirely understandable that we're at the point where people might be thinking of cashing in the lottery tickets that they've somehow found themselves grasping. I don't know of many people who would ultimately begrudge them that. It's also understandable that they might see external "investment" as necessary at this point, even if that's something I don't agree with.
It's how they've gone about it that should stick in the craw of anyone who supports Swansea City (proper supports mind, not the type who won't even bother to watch them when they're playing ten minutes away) regardless of whether the Americans are in it for the good or the bad. They can simply no longer be trusted to deal with the supporters and our interests in good faith. Their actions rule that out. |  |
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| Requiem on 22:42 - Jun 6 with 1544 views | dougie |
| Requiem on 22:08 - Jun 6 by Dr_Winston |
Again and again people keep missing the point.
It's not what they did. It's entirely understandable that we're at the point where people might be thinking of cashing in the lottery tickets that they've somehow found themselves grasping. I don't know of many people who would ultimately begrudge them that. It's also understandable that they might see external "investment" as necessary at this point, even if that's something I don't agree with.
It's how they've gone about it that should stick in the craw of anyone who supports Swansea City (proper supports mind, not the type who won't even bother to watch them when they're playing ten minutes away) regardless of whether the Americans are in it for the good or the bad. They can simply no longer be trusted to deal with the supporters and our interests in good faith. Their actions rule that out. |
Doc.
The only people that are saying they have done it the wrong way are the trust though. We havent heard the other side. We talk about sellers and buyers using the press for propaganda but these forums are full of it as well. I want to hear what the current board have to say. Then i will decide whether its right or wrong, whether they are right or wrong. We are all reacting on unfounded talk. |  | | |
| Requiem on 22:44 - Jun 6 with 1539 views | SwansNZ |
| Requiem on 22:42 - Jun 6 by dougie |
Doc.
The only people that are saying they have done it the wrong way are the trust though. We havent heard the other side. We talk about sellers and buyers using the press for propaganda but these forums are full of it as well. I want to hear what the current board have to say. Then i will decide whether its right or wrong, whether they are right or wrong. We are all reacting on unfounded talk. |
Are you saying you believe that the Trust were kept fully informed through the process? |  |
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| Requiem on 22:54 - Jun 6 with 1527 views | dougie |
| Requiem on 22:44 - Jun 6 by SwansNZ |
Are you saying you believe that the Trust were kept fully informed through the process? |
Im saying i dont beleive anything until i hear both sides. Ive heard one so far. I want to hear the other shareholders side before i start to apportion blame. | | | |
| Requiem on 22:58 - Jun 6 with 1516 views | nyc_swans |
| Requiem on 17:47 - Jun 6 by Oldjack |
Show me anything good about theses Yanks ,go on i dare you ,this is a desperation sell up make no bones about that , show me the investment ,bet you can't
IT FUKING STINKS ! |
not taking sides here, because i will wait until everything is thoroughly explained, but there is this, re: DC United, their fans had some of the same concerns:
"Many fans suspect the investment group, headed by Indonesian businessman Erick Thohir, will look to sell the team when the stadium opens and the value of the organization rises." -reporter
“Our emotional investment in the team is deep. It’s growing every season. We are really enjoying this. Our big challenge was getting a new stadium and we want to see that through. Beyond that, we see the growth of soccer in the U.S., the growth of soccer in this market, and we want to be part of it. Certainly it’s an investment, and like any investment, at some point, it’s not forever. But we love what we are doing here. We don’t see it as a short-term investment; we never did. We want to continue to build; it’s become a passion for us.” -Levien |  | | |
| Requiem on 23:21 - Jun 6 with 1487 views | perchrockjack |
Roger.
It's not long ago you could post without getting personal.
The thread is about our club not me or you so wind your neck in.
Life moves on.
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| Requiem on 23:36 - Jun 6 with 1473 views | LeonisGod |
| Requiem on 22:58 - Jun 6 by nyc_swans |
not taking sides here, because i will wait until everything is thoroughly explained, but there is this, re: DC United, their fans had some of the same concerns:
"Many fans suspect the investment group, headed by Indonesian businessman Erick Thohir, will look to sell the team when the stadium opens and the value of the organization rises." -reporter
“Our emotional investment in the team is deep. It’s growing every season. We are really enjoying this. Our big challenge was getting a new stadium and we want to see that through. Beyond that, we see the growth of soccer in the U.S., the growth of soccer in this market, and we want to be part of it. Certainly it’s an investment, and like any investment, at some point, it’s not forever. But we love what we are doing here. We don’t see it as a short-term investment; we never did. We want to continue to build; it’s become a passion for us.” -Levien |
That fits with the way football has gone. It's a business and people want a return on their investment. I'm not saying it's right or i like it, but for the sorts of money we are talking about it's gone well beyond finding a few local fans / businesses to chip together to buy us. It's understandable that buyers/investors will have no former links to the club, sadly.
There was an interesting article on ownership in the lower leagues the other day http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36266364. I expect the local owner and 100% trust models couldn't afford us, so what alternative is there? |  | | |
| Requiem on 23:37 - Jun 6 with 1470 views | Starsky |
| Requiem on 10:31 - Jun 6 by LeonisGod |
It's sad that the model that brought so much success and won us so many fans has come to an end, but it was always going to at some point.
But I don't get the beef against the owners selling up. They have every right to do so. And so would anyone else here if they'd put their money where their mouth was and invested in the club. And now it seems our past board could have raked in more from a Chinese-led bid, but chose not to because they didn't think it was right for the club. But we won't hear about that as it doesn't fit the board-bashing agenda.
I wonder what's wrong with some people.
We've had a stable board who steered the club from near-oblivion to the PL; they get slated.
We had Martinez who was integral to the development of 'the Swansea way' and secured promotion; he gets slated.
We had Rodgers who transformed a solid but dull Sousa team into an attacking tour de force and took us back to the top division, and then cemented our place there on a shoestring; he gets slated.
We had Laudrup who gave us some of the most scintillating football I've seen and let us to our first major trophy; he gets slated.
Garry led us to our 2nd highest top level placing; he gets slated (although not as much as the others to be fair)
And even Guidolin, who has one of the best win ratios of any of our PL managers (possibly the best) and saved us from very likely relegation, isn't given much credit either.
We could win the champions league 5 years in a row and this place would still be full of whining and bitching.
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What a doormat |  |
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| Requiem on 23:42 - Jun 6 with 1461 views | nyc_swans |
| Requiem on 23:36 - Jun 6 by LeonisGod |
That fits with the way football has gone. It's a business and people want a return on their investment. I'm not saying it's right or i like it, but for the sorts of money we are talking about it's gone well beyond finding a few local fans / businesses to chip together to buy us. It's understandable that buyers/investors will have no former links to the club, sadly.
There was an interesting article on ownership in the lower leagues the other day http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36266364. I expect the local owner and 100% trust models couldn't afford us, so what alternative is there? |
it also puts a value on the club, which i suppose you could argue is important. how much were those shares really worth before they were bought out? | | | |
| Requiem on 23:44 - Jun 6 with 1451 views | LeonisGod |
| Requiem on 23:37 - Jun 6 by Starsky |
What a doormat |
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| Requiem on 23:45 - Jun 6 with 1448 views | Starsky |
| Requiem on 17:41 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack |
No PERCHIE NOT TALKING CRAP nor posting anything too intellectual for the average mind, simply "speaking" from a more informed position. You ll have to work it out I'm sorry to say.
It kinda proves Tony s point ,which was he feels too many posts-rightly of wrongly- disrespect him, the late straw seems to be Lady Lisa |
I don't agree with you dragging Lisa into this Perch.
Not your fight. | |
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| Requiem on 23:46 - Jun 6 with 1446 views | Darran |
| Requiem on 23:45 - Jun 6 by Starsky |
I don't agree with you dragging Lisa into this Perch.
Not your fight. |
You've got a PM Starsk. |  |
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| Requiem on 00:16 - Jun 7 with 1415 views | phact0rri |
I will say that it feels more like this a buisness, and numbers than passion. And I don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing. It's just that it has little to do with the ground level. And that sits wrong, and I can understand that. but maybe in time those that sold their stocks might come out and explain it better. But thats just how it feels.
But no matter what, and how badly things could get, honestly I'm a swansea supporter so I'll buckle in and hopefully this doesn't go as pearshaped as many people's fears. but honestly we know next to nothing. which is problematic itself as it builds up ire in the supporting base. |  |
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| Requiem on 05:49 - Jun 7 with 1356 views | Treforys_Jack |
None of us are born Swansea fans, its a concious decision. As strange as it sounds many people born in Swansea support other teams. |  | | |
| Requiem on 07:10 - Jun 7 with 1310 views | jack247 |
Turning your back on your adopted club because the future looks a bit uncertain? Come on Dav, you're better than that. Every real football fan is better than that.
There was nothing to lose when we were shit. Now there is a lot on the table. I can understand the feelings of uncertainty and certainly join people in mourning the fact that we have lost a big part of our identity. It's still SCFC though. Walking away when the going gets tough is incredibly poor. | | | |
| Requiem on 08:52 - Jun 7 with 1222 views | swansea101 |
Actual grown men moaning they're not shown respect and treated correctly on an Internet forum | | | |
| Requiem on 08:56 - Jun 7 with 1219 views | Starsky |
| Requiem on 08:52 - Jun 7 by swansea101 |
Actual grown men moaning they're not shown respect and treated correctly on an Internet forum |
Init! | |
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| Requiem on 09:10 - Jun 7 with 1204 views | perchrockjack |
Let's not kid ourselves most if not all don't like to feel,disrespected in any formula. Some admit it, most don't,I'e, I don't give a fcuk that people say etc.
And Lisa s mocking of dav WAS significant although Tony had the class not to refer to individuals.
I haven't | |
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| Requiem on 09:29 - Jun 7 with 1177 views | jack247 |
| Requiem on 09:10 - Jun 7 by perchrockjack |
Let's not kid ourselves most if not all don't like to feel,disrespected in any formula. Some admit it, most don't,I'e, I don't give a fcuk that people say etc.
And Lisa s mocking of dav WAS significant although Tony had the class not to refer to individuals.
I haven't |
With respect Perch, if that was his reason for walking away(not saying it is, I believe he means what he wrote), he should have just said so, or just walked away quietly, rather than making up a melodramatic story. He does take a lot of stick on here in all fairness, but by the same token he gives it out as much as anyone. He just does it in a more sophisticated manner. | | | |
| Requiem on 09:38 - Jun 7 with 1166 views | perchrockjack |
Thanks 247 and you raise a fair point, as you normally do.
I'm not speaking for him just saying how I see it with the information I have .
Ive been melodramatic at times and if I stay around I ll be so again, but we are who are are and cant be anyone else.
My point and my raison d etre on here has always been to plough my own fullow and not defer to those posters seen as "great" .
What we should all do is post as you do and stick to the topic and not hammer the individual. As an example, a post of one yesterday was met with the retort ..."but not that long ago YOU ,etc.
Quite why we do this,and we do, is puzzles and ,sorry, it seems a particularly Welsh trait. | |
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| Requiem on 09:52 - Jun 7 with 1144 views | lifelong |
| Requiem on 09:38 - Jun 7 by perchrockjack |
Thanks 247 and you raise a fair point, as you normally do.
I'm not speaking for him just saying how I see it with the information I have .
Ive been melodramatic at times and if I stay around I ll be so again, but we are who are are and cant be anyone else.
My point and my raison d etre on here has always been to plough my own fullow and not defer to those posters seen as "great" .
What we should all do is post as you do and stick to the topic and not hammer the individual. As an example, a post of one yesterday was met with the retort ..."but not that long ago YOU ,etc.
Quite why we do this,and we do, is puzzles and ,sorry, it seems a particularly Welsh trait. |
I thought it wouldn't be long before you stick your knife in the 'Welsh'.
I was merely pointing out that you were criticising people who were criticising the board when in fact you have been one of the biggest critics of the board and in particular the Chaiman. |  | | |
| Requiem on 09:58 - Jun 7 with 1134 views | Darran |
| Requiem on 09:38 - Jun 7 by perchrockjack |
Thanks 247 and you raise a fair point, as you normally do.
I'm not speaking for him just saying how I see it with the information I have .
Ive been melodramatic at times and if I stay around I ll be so again, but we are who are are and cant be anyone else.
My point and my raison d etre on here has always been to plough my own fullow and not defer to those posters seen as "great" .
What we should all do is post as you do and stick to the topic and not hammer the individual. As an example, a post of one yesterday was met with the retort ..."but not that long ago YOU ,etc.
Quite why we do this,and we do, is puzzles and ,sorry, it seems a particularly Welsh trait. |
Another dig at the Welsh eh? | |
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| Requiem on 10:00 - Jun 7 with 1127 views | lifelong |
| Requiem on 09:58 - Jun 7 by Darran |
Another dig at the Welsh eh? |
He can't help himself, it's a sad case. | | | |
| Requiem on 10:02 - Jun 7 with 1121 views | Darran |
| Requiem on 10:00 - Jun 7 by lifelong |
He can't help himself, it's a sad case. |
He is Rog biggest hypocrite I've ever known of. | |
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