| Betting advice - Horse racing 12:14 - Oct 28 with 9459 views | hovehoop |
My Dad placed £10 on a 20-1 shot that won. He went to collect his winnings. The race started at 4pm. His betting ticket showed the bet was placed 4 seconds after 4pm. The betting shop refused to pay out and refunded his £20. Can they do that? If they took the bet aren't they bound to honour the bet?
The contrary view is if the horse had lost, would my Dad have been able to return to the bookmakers and get a refund by arguing they shouldn't have taken the bet? I doubt it.
The bet was placed with Corrals. |  | | |  |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 12:45 - Oct 28 with 8470 views | Sudbury_Hill_R |
If it was only 4 seconds then that is really harsh. It all depends on the distance of the race too.
I have had many argument over this even in a 3 mile race, (8 seconds too late apparently yet before the first fence) but especially in Corals.
He will need to contact customer services (0800 44 00 11) and of course they will do all they can not to pay the bet but stand your ground, saying you are a regular punter etc and they may pay out.
There is no argument about them actually taking the bet or honouring it as this is purely a gentlemens agreement.
Lastly, if it was 'virtual race', you have no chance of getting anything as it is all weighted in thier favour and timewise to a fraction of a second after the start of the race to avoid anyone having the upper hand on them.
Hope this helps. |  | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:02 - Oct 28 with 8407 views | paesanu |
Soundsllike the manager is being a cheeky jobsworth. I used to work at Corals a few years ago, no way are tthey that strict. If a punter was going to be late, wouldn'ttake the bet in the first place. |  |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:25 - Oct 28 with 8352 views | kingsburyR |
If they take the bet they should honour the bet.
Send him back in with the slip (does he still have it?) and tell the manager if this is not paid out that he'll stand outside informing the punters what the shop is about.
Which Corals was it? |  |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:28 - Oct 28 with 8331 views | Metallica_Hoop |
If the bet was taken it should stand. |  |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:33 - Oct 28 with 8314 views | PinnerPaul |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:28 - Oct 28 by Metallica_Hoop |
If the bet was taken it should stand. |
Not true.
All the bookmakers have a disclaimer in their T & cs saying if an error has been made taking the bet then they won't pay out.
Obvious really if you think about it.
If this wasn't in place they would have all their employees giving out 50/1 bets on 5/2 shots and sharing winnings with their punters! | | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:34 - Oct 28 with 8309 views | ballbag |
They shouldn't have taken the bet in the first place but the bet can be placed and only when the person at the counter inputs the data from the slip into the system, does the system reject the bet as being too late.
Still, I would cause a fuss. |  | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:36 - Oct 28 with 8303 views | robith |
bookies are total bawlbags - all he can really do is keep making a fuss |  | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:36 - Oct 28 with 8300 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:33 - Oct 28 by PinnerPaul |
Not true.
All the bookmakers have a disclaimer in their T & cs saying if an error has been made taking the bet then they won't pay out.
Obvious really if you think about it.
If this wasn't in place they would have all their employees giving out 50/1 bets on 5/2 shots and sharing winnings with their punters! |
Our system wouldn't let it place one after the off so any placed were honoured. | |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:49 - Oct 28 with 8242 views | gobbles |
What sort of race was it?
Hard to believe that the off time of a 4pm horse race was with 4 secs of 4pm. They don;t risk going off that close because if it goes before start time it can be voided (in UK).
Corals are w@nkers though. I remember at London 2012, I had a bet on who would light the torch. If you remember, it was lit by a bunch of kids. Coral (who had not offered odds on any of the kids, or an anyone else option) settled every bet as a loser (they did not pay out one winner). Paddy Power paid out as a winner every one who bet on the seven "legends" who handed the batons on the the kids, plus returned the stakes of everyone else because they had not offered odds on the people who actually lit the flame. That is why I never bet with Corals |  | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 14:00 - Oct 28 with 8215 views | hovehoop |
Thanks for feedback. I don't know the race details. Dad is 76. Betting and racing is his hobby. £200 would have been a nice pay out for him.
The Corals branch was Hangleton Road in Hove, near where he lives. Personally feel they should have done one of two things; refused the bet or honoured it!
The sensible thing is to no longer bet with Corals. Though he's so incensed he wants to make them pay - by winning other bets!!!!!
Horse racing is not really my thing though I don't like seeing the old man had over like that. | | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 14:28 - Oct 28 with 8187 views | EastR |
how many punters here know of races that start on the scheduled time? Or early?
So the chances it was off at 4 plus a bit.
Argue that with their customer services.
If that doesn't work and they refer you to their terms and conditions (general or horse racing specific) tell them you've looked and there's nothing in there that would void the bet - I've checked and can't find anything.
Betting is now covered by contract law - you offered to place the bet and they accepted. They need to pay up. | |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 14:39 - Oct 28 with 8146 views | paulparker |
Phone that tool Alan Brazils show when them smug pr*cks come on from Corals,
bombard their twitter, Facebook or whatever social media they have telling them about your plight , cause a right fuss until they back down |  |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 14:40 - Oct 28 with 8151 views | RickyDicky |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 14:28 - Oct 28 by EastR |
how many punters here know of races that start on the scheduled time? Or early?
So the chances it was off at 4 plus a bit.
Argue that with their customer services.
If that doesn't work and they refer you to their terms and conditions (general or horse racing specific) tell them you've looked and there's nothing in there that would void the bet - I've checked and can't find anything.
Betting is now covered by contract law - you offered to place the bet and they accepted. They need to pay up. |
Good point.
There is probably a statistic out there somewhere which will tell you the ACTUAL time the race started. |  |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 15:02 - Oct 28 with 8112 views | ElHoop |
Bit of brief detective work suggests that it was the 4.00 at Lingfield a week ago today, which Royal Acquisition won at 20/1. It was a 5 furlong race, apparently off at 4.03. The fact that it was 5 furlongs is probably significant here, as that's the shortest type of horse race that there is. |  | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 15:04 - Oct 28 with 8101 views | qpr1976 |
Place a bet on if a race starts on time or not.
Then ask if 4 seconds would be within their 'leeway' allowance to consider it starting on time ?
I doubt many races start precisely, exactly on time. And that would probably be the reason why they wouldn't accept such a bet.
Morally, they should payout, good customer service (which PP seem to do well). Legally, they probably don't or won't. | | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 15:20 - Oct 28 with 8050 views | Discodroids |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 15:02 - Oct 28 by ElHoop |
Bit of brief detective work suggests that it was the 4.00 at Lingfield a week ago today, which Royal Acquisition won at 20/1. It was a 5 furlong race, apparently off at 4.03. The fact that it was 5 furlongs is probably significant here, as that's the shortest type of horse race that there is. |
i think thats very harsh not to honor the bet.
when the mrs thinks she has a bad service from a company she always comments on her twitter account quoting their twitter account name, they hate bad publicity.
it sometimes gets a result.
back in 1987 for some reason i can never recall , i put an each way bet on leeds utd to win/reach the fa cup.
this was in the days of leeds scrambling around the foot of the old second division with players like niel aspin, ian baird and a young john sherridan. they were having another fight against relegation that year into the old third division.
i got quoted 200/1 to win the fa cup, 100/1 to reach the final,it was chalked up on the blackboard in those days... i duly stuck a tenner on it.
as miracles came to pass , leeds started to go through the rounds...i walked into the bookies the day before the semi final against eventual winners coventry and the manager called me over.. he said the bet should have been 20/1 and the clerk had made a mistake.( as i said , leeds were a bottom 5 team in the second division). he duly tore the slip up up in front of me and gave me a new one for 20/1!!.
it was a real rough back street bookies in stratford and i was only a skinny kid then (19) and swallowed it, i told the old man who went radge ,and caused a fk load of bother .. it ended up with a director of william hill ringing me at home and trying to fob me off....then bleeding dwarf micky gynn scored in the dying minutes.. leeds 2 coventry 3
bookies...bastards!!!
depite stiff competition ive just realised this is the most pointless story i have ever told on the information superhighway.
what the fk am i on about. [Post edited 28 Oct 2014 15:27]
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 15:42 - Oct 28 with 8017 views | gobbles |
In their terms and conditions there should be a bit about disputes. All major bookies sign up to a regulator and betting disputes can be handled by an independent group, which will make a judgement that's binding for the bookie.
Here's the link http://www.ibas-uk.com/ | | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 17:03 - Oct 28 with 7914 views | hovehoop |
Thanks again everyone. Appreciated. | | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:26 - Oct 29 with 7730 views | PinnerPaul |
This is from Coral rules
8.1 If the official ‘off time' of a race or event is not announced, bets are accepted up to the advertised start time only. Any bet that is inadvertently accepted after this time will be void unless the bet was placed before the actual start of the event.
All you need to do is request official "off" time of the race in question.
If the bet is before this off time then quote their own rules and it should be paid.
On their site is a customer services number that I would call if shop still refuses to payout (as long as off time WAS after the bet was placed of course) | | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 13:45 - Oct 29 with 7710 views | amhoop |
If it was the 16.00 last Tuesday at Lingfield, the 'off time' was 16:03:20, therefore, have to pay out - race hadn't started when the bet was placed. [Post edited 29 Oct 2014 16:40]
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 14:20 - Oct 29 with 7659 views | Northernr |
Fire, and lots of it. |  | | |
| Betting advice - Horse racing on 17:57 - Oct 29 with 7487 views | johncharles |
Bookies rules. We win , you lose. |  |
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| Betting advice - Horse racing on 10:26 - Oct 30 with 7292 views | LOFT67 |
Hovehoop, the key to this is without doubt the time of which the bet was struck and as kingsburyR asked does he still have the slip,l doubt it.
If the slip did say STRUCK ; 21 Oct 2014 16: 00:04 and the race off was 16:03:20 then of course your dad should have been paid out.
It was a 5 furlong sprint ran in 58.35secs making the race over @ 16:04:18 secs. perhaps some confusion may have arisen here of the time on the slip and your dad struck the bet while in running.
You or your dad need to ask to see the original slip again and confirm the time it was actually struck, and if it was at 4 seconds past four, demand the £200 he is owed.
Ask the manager what he does on Grand National day when the race is delayed every year and people are still placing bets after the official off time.
Keep us informed of any progress. | |
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