| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? 22:21 - Sep 5 with 13214 views | Hoopsie |
I am keen to know why we can't expand Loftus Road Stadium. I understand the fact that QPR has to "follow" the times and "grow".... why not stay in Loftus Road and expand the ground. A new stadium in a new development will take years to realise, the cost will be immense and success is not guaranteed with well documented new stadiums like Reading, Middlesbrough, Bolton...
Surely it will cost much less buying over land in Ellerslie Road, Loftus Road and the School, than to pay CarGiant and other land owners for acres of contaminated land and to spend even more to develop? |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 09:41 - Sep 6 with 3422 views | DWQPR |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 09:15 - Sep 6 by TheBlob |
I was going to suggest that in the move the pitch round 90 degrees idea.Imagine the size of the stands you could achieve. |
Now go on google earth, measure the dimensions and then you'll realise that what you would achieve is a two sided ground with no stands behind each goal due to the total lack of space. However much we love Loftus Road it is dragging the club back and not forward. Quite frankly it is the PL equivalent of Kenilworth Road. And that is an awful thing to say. |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 10:03 - Sep 6 with 3403 views | QPunkR |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 09:41 - Sep 6 by DWQPR |
Now go on google earth, measure the dimensions and then you'll realise that what you would achieve is a two sided ground with no stands behind each goal due to the total lack of space. However much we love Loftus Road it is dragging the club back and not forward. Quite frankly it is the PL equivalent of Kenilworth Road. And that is an awful thing to say. |
That is indeed a nasty, nasty thing to say
We wouldn't have to swivel the pitch 90degrees in my masterplan though - although you could maybe move it slightly towards the new and towering SA Rd stand, thus allowing for expansion along Ellerslie. |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 10:54 - Sep 6 with 3378 views | Rs_Holy |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 07:56 - Sep 6 by DWQPR |
If you google earth LR and then measure the dimensions you will realise that the club is hamstrung and not even the purchase of the school site by Chris Wright many years ago would have solved the problem we have. Getting a stadium close to 20,000 on that site is an incredible feat, and then most sit squashed. It is a 20th century solution in a 21st century world. Fact is that the owners need more out of a stadium and the only way to do this is to make it multi-functional. Why do you think that the Russian wanted Battersea Power Station. He could expand Stamford Bridge by knocking the hotel down, don't forget that the ground used to have a dog track round it so the footprint is much larger. Rangers need a bigger stadium and additional revenue not only to survive in the PL but to survive full stop, and this is exemplified by the mess we got ourselves in during the Paladini years, average players cost a lot nowadays and if the revenue isn't there then the only way is down and eventual bankruptcy. |
this!...
we either move or modernise the current ground ...(the same foot print and stand heights) which would probably mean a lower capacity .... which would be pointless. |  | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 10:57 - Sep 6 with 3377 views | francisbowles |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 10:03 - Sep 6 by QPunkR |
That is indeed a nasty, nasty thing to say
We wouldn't have to swivel the pitch 90degrees in my masterplan though - although you could maybe move it slightly towards the new and towering SA Rd stand, thus allowing for expansion along Ellerslie. |
Even if any of this was feasible, would it still feel like the Loftus Road we know and love.
Talk of towering stands on one side or on both with virtually nothing behind the goals? Doesn't sound much like the tidy, little, blue place we go to around twenty times a year. | | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 10:59 - Sep 6 with 3375 views | saxbend |
The club and the owners want to move because of the opportunity to develop the proposed surrounding area. There's huge potential to make a lot of money out of it.
Fans have a good reason to want to move as well. Ticket prices.
A 40 000 stadium will bring in enormous match revenue to the club but only if we fill the ground. We'll only fill the ground if the ticket prices are low enough that 40 000 people are prepared to pay them.
No way would we fill a 40 000 seater stadium at prices averaging £35 per game. That's just not going to happen. Not with all the tourists in the world. Not at QPR with our current league status.
But if you took those prices down by £10 so fans are averaging £25 per game - that's going to be as low as £20 for the cheapest seats, (or perhaps £15 for top tier seats in the gods) with the minority of pricier ones bring the average up, then you just might find enough people to fill it every week. Even that's not guaranteed but it's the only way it's possible.
So we fans would reap the benefits. We could easily afford to go to every game, we could bring friends, family anyone who wanted to come, and we wouldn't even have to mess about with loyalty points to make sure we can all sit together either.
The club would get their atmosphere from much larger crowds, ideally eventually approaching 40k within a few years of the move, assuming things are done well on the pitch too, AND they'd get a huge boost in revenue from ticket sales and secondary expenditure from fans at games.
Win win. |  | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 12:31 - Sep 6 with 3336 views | QPR_John |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 07:56 - Sep 6 by DWQPR |
If you google earth LR and then measure the dimensions you will realise that the club is hamstrung and not even the purchase of the school site by Chris Wright many years ago would have solved the problem we have. Getting a stadium close to 20,000 on that site is an incredible feat, and then most sit squashed. It is a 20th century solution in a 21st century world. Fact is that the owners need more out of a stadium and the only way to do this is to make it multi-functional. Why do you think that the Russian wanted Battersea Power Station. He could expand Stamford Bridge by knocking the hotel down, don't forget that the ground used to have a dog track round it so the footprint is much larger. Rangers need a bigger stadium and additional revenue not only to survive in the PL but to survive full stop, and this is exemplified by the mess we got ourselves in during the Paladini years, average players cost a lot nowadays and if the revenue isn't there then the only way is down and eventual bankruptcy. |
" Rangers need a bigger stadium and additional revenue not only to survive in the PL but to survive full stop, and this is exemplified by the mess we got ourselves in during the Paladini years, average players cost a lot nowadays and if the revenue isn't there then the only way is down and eventual bankruptcy."
So true and I think that argument trumps all others | | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 17:37 - Sep 6 with 3291 views | kysersosaqpr |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 10:59 - Sep 6 by saxbend |
The club and the owners want to move because of the opportunity to develop the proposed surrounding area. There's huge potential to make a lot of money out of it.
Fans have a good reason to want to move as well. Ticket prices.
A 40 000 stadium will bring in enormous match revenue to the club but only if we fill the ground. We'll only fill the ground if the ticket prices are low enough that 40 000 people are prepared to pay them.
No way would we fill a 40 000 seater stadium at prices averaging £35 per game. That's just not going to happen. Not with all the tourists in the world. Not at QPR with our current league status.
But if you took those prices down by £10 so fans are averaging £25 per game - that's going to be as low as £20 for the cheapest seats, (or perhaps £15 for top tier seats in the gods) with the minority of pricier ones bring the average up, then you just might find enough people to fill it every week. Even that's not guaranteed but it's the only way it's possible.
So we fans would reap the benefits. We could easily afford to go to every game, we could bring friends, family anyone who wanted to come, and we wouldn't even have to mess about with loyalty points to make sure we can all sit together either.
The club would get their atmosphere from much larger crowds, ideally eventually approaching 40k within a few years of the move, assuming things are done well on the pitch too, AND they'd get a huge boost in revenue from ticket sales and secondary expenditure from fans at games.
Win win. |
How do the German clubs keep up with the English / Spanish spending when they charge far less than us - by having bigger stadium? If so let's move to Old Oak and model our pricing, community, and ownership policy on the Bundersleig | |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 19:25 - Sep 6 with 3263 views | nadera78 |
The move to Old Oak is nothing to do with QPR surviving and all to do with the shareholders making money on the 200 acre development. | | | |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 19:30 - Sep 6 with 3255 views | nadera78 |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 08:25 - Sep 6 by bosh67 |
I think we should keep Loftus Road and develop it into the club's training ground/academy centre, with apartments and a football museum. Keep the pitch, keep about 6-8,000 seats so you can watch academy matches and open training sessions, and still have Loftus Road as a spiritual ground and academy centre. Keeps the club alive in its original home for the community and the fans. |
Great idea. Lower the number of seats to 2,000 and you can play not only Academy games there but also the women. Have a museum and shop alongside it, and the community trust offices. Fans could hire facilities there for parties, etc. Also, you have to take into account the number of people wh've had their ashes scattered there - it is holy ground in more ways that one. Alongside that a three sided residential development that would more than pay for the new facilities. | | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 19:37 - Sep 6 with 3242 views | Bluce_Ree |
I don't see where we're going to get over 25,000 fans from anyway. Especially at 'we've got to pay for the ground' prices.
And anyway, say we buy a new ground and everything. What's the very best we can achieve? Maybe being Stoke or Southampton?
Mid-table mediocrity unless we have a bad season and go down?
Meh. I'd rather not gamble our current future (a lot of time spent in the Championship) against possible financial ruin if the best outcome is that. |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 20:50 - Sep 6 with 3207 views | barabajagal |
Shouldn't we keep lobbying the FA for safe standing? Wouldn't this increase capacity by 1000 or so? |  | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 22:45 - Sep 6 with 3173 views | AndyB |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 17:37 - Sep 6 by kysersosaqpr |
How do the German clubs keep up with the English / Spanish spending when they charge far less than us - by having bigger stadium? If so let's move to Old Oak and model our pricing, community, and ownership policy on the Bundersleig |
How? They don't.
But anyway - that's nothing to do with stadium sizes/admission prices but TV money or rich owners. |  | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 23:04 - Sep 6 with 3157 views | Metallica_Hoop |
For the future much as I love Loftus Road.
I can only fit in certain seats (anyone over 5ft 10" I assume has that same problem) as we are getting bigger and the average height is increasing) imagine Loftus road in 10/20 years as it is.
Something needs to change...or we bring back terracing. (one can hope) |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 14:49 - Sep 7 with 3071 views | Hoopsie |
If we leave Loftus Road and is given a blank canvas to draw up our dream future, why stop at 40,000 capacity stadium? Save the thought of us as a boutique club with a small but strong fan base, if we perceive ourselves as the next Manchester City, wouldn't a 50,000 or 60,000 stadium fit that dream? Yes we need to grow, but Old Oak seems to be a "easy" solution. But as with all planning schemes, it is not a straightforward path, knowing we are still in the stage of infancy. Will the development of the stadium precinct be a priority, or is it one of the many phases? Is the stadium development an indispensible part of the development of Old Oak? If not, who can guarantee we will get a new stadium? With what Cargiant has suggested in the press, the stadium does not seem to form a critical part of the planning proposal…..
Refurbishing Loftus Road has many issues as many have pointed out with valid points, but these constraints give us a defined framework and guide to plot and plan our future, and shape our future in a sustainable and logical manner of calculated growth and expansion. Has any one seen a written report drawn up by experts (planners and architects etc) to support the idea that growing the club is impossible within the current context should we decide to stay where we are? If there is one, I'll very much like to see it…. | |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 15:54 - Sep 7 with 3031 views | francisbowles |
Much as we all love Loftus Road and the road to a new stadium is full of pot holes and speed bumps, are we willing to risk the loss of the investment in the club if the plan to move is cancelled.
If the Mitals and Tony's group can't see a return on investment and a future of continually pumping money in, they could pull the plug.
This could mean administration and worse, the sale of Loftus Road and the closure of our club. I know we would seek to attract new owners but there is a huge risk that we might not find them afte the experiences of Wright, Briatore/Ecclestone and Tune/Mital amongst others. | | | |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 17:00 - Dec 13 with 1613 views | Esox_Lucius |
I have finally solved the problem! With the steady increase of large high rise buildings in the area with no mention of light loss in the surrounding areas, the answer to our conundrum became both logical and obvious.
We use the existing footprint, possibly the Jack Tizard school too, and build a Burj Khalifa style pair of tower blocks and balance the new Matrade Loftus Road stadium atop the buildings with a retractable roof and safety netting all round. Dedicated high capacity elevators for each stand, independent services to the stadium and a unique view over London for non football usage purposes. |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 22:17 - Dec 13 with 1251 views | Juzzie |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 17:00 - Dec 13 by Esox_Lucius |
I have finally solved the problem! With the steady increase of large high rise buildings in the area with no mention of light loss in the surrounding areas, the answer to our conundrum became both logical and obvious.
We use the existing footprint, possibly the Jack Tizard school too, and build a Burj Khalifa style pair of tower blocks and balance the new Matrade Loftus Road stadium atop the buildings with a retractable roof and safety netting all round. Dedicated high capacity elevators for each stand, independent services to the stadium and a unique view over London for non football usage purposes. |
Sorted!
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 22:21 - Dec 13 with 1233 views | hubble |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 17:00 - Dec 13 by Esox_Lucius |
I have finally solved the problem! With the steady increase of large high rise buildings in the area with no mention of light loss in the surrounding areas, the answer to our conundrum became both logical and obvious.
We use the existing footprint, possibly the Jack Tizard school too, and build a Burj Khalifa style pair of tower blocks and balance the new Matrade Loftus Road stadium atop the buildings with a retractable roof and safety netting all round. Dedicated high capacity elevators for each stand, independent services to the stadium and a unique view over London for non football usage purposes. |
Genius |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 22:30 - Dec 13 with 1218 views | Boston |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 09:41 - Sep 6 by DWQPR |
Now go on google earth, measure the dimensions and then you'll realise that what you would achieve is a two sided ground with no stands behind each goal due to the total lack of space. However much we love Loftus Road it is dragging the club back and not forward. Quite frankly it is the PL equivalent of Kenilworth Road. And that is an awful thing to say. |
We've broken barriers before - why not build a thirty thousand all seater around a five- a side court. Of course, there may be problems when we qualify for Europe. | |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? (n/t) on 22:31 - Dec 13 with 1207 views | QuillPenRiot |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 22:33 - Dec 13 with 1206 views | Boston |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 19:30 - Sep 6 by nadera78 |
Great idea. Lower the number of seats to 2,000 and you can play not only Academy games there but also the women. Have a museum and shop alongside it, and the community trust offices. Fans could hire facilities there for parties, etc. Also, you have to take into account the number of people wh've had their ashes scattered there - it is holy ground in more ways that one. Alongside that a three sided residential development that would more than pay for the new facilities. |
...or we could plant cabbages. | |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 23:52 - Dec 13 with 1051 views | numptydumpty |
I thought all planning in Hammersmith and Fulham was around flats that reach out of the atmosphere and that was the only options for new construction that the council have any interest in.
The infrastructure required for a much bigger stadium is just not possible.
If ever there was going to be a new stadium, it's likely to be nowhere near Loftus Road.
Can't see anything changing in my lifetime !!! |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 23:59 - Dec 13 with 1037 views | connell10 |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 17:00 - Dec 13 by Esox_Lucius |
I have finally solved the problem! With the steady increase of large high rise buildings in the area with no mention of light loss in the surrounding areas, the answer to our conundrum became both logical and obvious.
We use the existing footprint, possibly the Jack Tizard school too, and build a Burj Khalifa style pair of tower blocks and balance the new Matrade Loftus Road stadium atop the buildings with a retractable roof and safety netting all round. Dedicated high capacity elevators for each stand, independent services to the stadium and a unique view over London for non football usage purposes. |
So we dig up ??!!! |  |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 01:08 - Dec 14 with 984 views | Boston |
| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 23:59 - Dec 13 by connell10 |
So we dig up ??!!! |
I dig it, mahn. | |
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| Loftus Road - why move and not stay? on 22:42 - Dec 14 with 631 views | themodfather |
Forgive me but we are losing £2m a month we are skint HOW are we paying for any new ground? Or buying land near us to expand? New ground is £200m? Sell loftus road but we know there are covenants it must be a sorts facility so who buys it? I’d like to know how much we wasted on bits of land around old oak to force car giants hand but they were clear they ain’t going to, so here to stay t is | | | |
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