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Reply | Time to play our own
at 00:41 3 Mar 2025
It's getting on for two years since Tyler Roberts left us and he hasn't scored for anyone in that time
https://uk.soccerway.com/players/tyler-roberts/386239/
Pedigree, or Pedigree Chum?
Maybe it's too early to judge Nourry and perhaps he has been lucky so far. But Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey had strong links to Spurs and I don't recall them bringing in anyone of the quality of Morgan or Hyeok. Not even under Warburton when we were playing the sort of look after the ball football that would have suited a few bright academy prospects looking to cut their teeth in grown-up football.
Maybe there are good reasons for that. Nourry did have the good fortune of having some money to spend this season. |
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Reply | Time to play our own
at 21:58 2 Mar 2025
One thing you can say for Nourry is that the quality of player we are bringing in on loan seems to have gone up. |
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Reply | Time to play our own
at 19:31 2 Mar 2025
I agree. His pace in particular makes a big difference to us.
But his end product leaves a lot to be desired.
If you want to put a positive spin on it then he has already played more minutes this season than last season (2278 v 2182). He has earned himself a breather. |
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Reply | Time to play our own
at 16:10 2 Mar 2025
The (probable) bottom line is that there were incentives and penalties written into the loan arrangements.
Given that we are solidly in mid-table and unlikely to go up or down, playing a couple of PL loanees now if we are incentivised to do so, or there's a chance of bringing in some decent players from Spurs or Southampton in the future is probably a trade-off worth making.
Much as I like Paul Smyth and value his work rate and particularly his pace, since returning to us in 2023 he has only managed four goals and four assists in 79 league appearances. That's roughly a goal involvement every ten games. Not a great return for an attacker.
https://footystats.org/players/northern-ireland/paul-smyth |
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Reply | Places for a new ground
at 11:13 26 Feb 2025
Never going to happen at WSC.
It's a residential area that has been gentrified beyond recognition.
And there's not many pubs around there. |
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Reply | Footballer data
at 10:46 22 Feb 2025
That is interesting.
So Brentford are spending more on data than we spend on player transfers.
And a couple more important details in there:
The government gives tax credits for this research with Brentford making £3.23m and Chelsea and Forest also benefitting. And at least Brentford share their findings, unlike the other two.
The other point I noticed is that the Brentford Performance Director has co-authored some of these reports.
I guess this raises the possibility that Ben Williams could be doing the same for us. [Post edited 22 Feb 11:56]
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Reply | Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient
at 22:52 21 Feb 2025
Vardy joined Leicester in 2012 at the ripe old age of 25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Vardy
So 13 years ago.
Before that he had a season with Fleetwood in the Conference.
One thing Wright and Vardy both have in common is pace. That alone would probably get players noticed at an early age these days. Just look at Sinclair Armstrong - big, quick, but not the greatest footballer. |
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Reply | Footballer data
at 16:08 21 Feb 2025
This is starting to look like one of Nourry's most jealously guarded secrets.
Everyone's just guessing how tall Sam Field is.
I took a quick look at fbref.com and there is a lot there, including players wages. I mean seriously, where could they be getting that from? Yes, I know people in the game talk and they probably have a rough idea what players are earning. But it's a big step to take a bit of gossip and turn it into a database with the full wage history for every player. I would take that with a pinch of salt. |
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Reply | Footballer data
at 15:27 21 Feb 2025
I'll pass that on to my missus - see above! |
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Reply | Footballer data
at 15:10 21 Feb 2025
I hear this a lot about Brentford and Brighton.
But what exactly does it mean?
Are they using data that no one else has access to?
Maybe. But what can gambling companies know about players that the clubs either don't know already or can't find out for themselves?
Brentford and Brighton might have data that other clubs don't. But I guess the real special sauce is the way they are using the data and that they have developed AI or machine learning models that get more from the data than other clubs have been able to.
But Brentford and Brighton don't have anywhere near the budget of the likes of Man City, Newcastle, etc. Surely their brightest talents will be picked off by the richer clubs sooner or later and all the big boys will know how the trick is done.
Brighton and Brentford will keep having to be brighter and more innovative than the rest if they want to keep that advantage. |
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Reply | Footballer data
at 14:25 21 Feb 2025
He's a big lad. Certainly not shorter than me. |
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Reply | Footballer data
at 14:24 21 Feb 2025
I'm not laying awake at night wondering how tall Sam Field is.
Although the missus might be..........
It's just something I had noticed on social media with heated disagreements on how old/tall/heavy certain players were.
I chose height as the example because it doesn't change much once you reach a certain age, looked up a couple of websites that report player heights and picked Sam Field because a five inch difference in the two reports is a ridiculous disparity.
But you are right about data becoming a commodity, and the really interesting stuff will become harder to find unless we're willing to pay for it. |
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Thread | Footballer data
at 13:54 21 Feb 2025
We all know Christian Nourry talks a good data game.
And we also know he likes to play his cards close to his chest and not give away any information he doesn't have to.
So what's the craic with footballer data?
I can't find a sensible answer online to how tall Sam Field is. Soccerbase says he's 5ft 10in, and ESPN has him five inches taller:
https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=91434
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/team/squad/_/id/334/eng.qpr
But I have seen football programmes where broadcasters are able to pull up heatmaps showing exactly which parts of the pitch a player covered during a game. Not to mention in-game xG metrics.
At the last World Cup FIFA were even publishing how far players ran during games. Not much in Lionel Messi's case, but who's cares when you win the bloody thing!?
I'm guessing it's the governing body who owns the data and decides which commercial partners it's sold to.
But where do you draw the line?
I'm guessing clubs have no control over match data.
But what about training and physical conditioning? I'm sure the sports analytics companies would want to know that sort of thing. But would Need-to-Know Nourry willingly share that information?
There are strong data protection laws governing medical data so I guess that is out of bounds. Which is probably why I can't get a sensible answer to how tall Sam Field is. And besides, how are you going to sell your duds to Harry Redknapp if the whole world knows he has no cartilage in his knees!?
So if any data pros can shed light on what data is collected and how it's shared I would be curious to know. |
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Reply | Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient
at 12:25 21 Feb 2025
No!
Kelman is 23.
Wright was born November 1963 and joined Palace in 85:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wright
So Wright would have been 21/22.
And anyway, it's not really relevant. Kelman signed for Southend when he was 16. There is no comparison between an undiscovered gem and someone who made his L1 debut in 2019 and has been in the pro game ever since.
Kelman will have a mountain of data on him. Wrighty back in 1985 was probably just a name and a few scribbled notes in some scout's notebook.
There's no romance in the game any more! [Post edited 21 Feb 12:57]
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Reply | Charlie Kelman’s Leyton Orient
at 11:33 21 Feb 2025
Forget about Kelvin Charles.
Richard Taylor is the boy.
Product of three of the best youth academies in the country.
At 19 he went out on loan to Doncaster in League 1 and scored 10 goals in 41 games from midfield.
Aaaand he has done sweet FA since then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Richards
I'm not comparing Kelman to Taylor Richards, that would be unfair. But one good season in L1 and a decent showing against an imploding Man City isn't enough to say for certain Charlie has cracked it and will kick on in the Championship next season.
Charlie has been here since 2020. We have had five managers in that time. We have also had a shortage of goals and strikers. But none of those five managers has seen enough in Charlie to give him a run in the team and play him up front.
I hope Charlie gets a fair chance to show what he can do in pre season and that he grabs the chance to force his way into the team. But I suspect we will take the money if a decent offer comes in. |
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