| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? 23:08 - Feb 19 with 44497 views | GloryHunter |
I was 22 in 1975, and I voted "No". This was based on my political heroes Michael Foot and Tony Benn warning against the dangers of entering the EU. After that, I softened my opposition somewhat. I like the fact that I can now cross most European borders without being searched and showing my passport, and I have since acquired a German wife, who is free to live and work in the UK (although she is not allowed to vote here, despite having paid UK taxes for 25 years). But, to be honest, I am thinking of voting "Out". What do other posters on here think? |  | | |  |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 16:56 - Feb 20 with 3111 views | QPRDave |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 16:48 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
Britain's economy is overwhelmingly skewed towards services. I don't see that sector increasing significantly because of leaving the EU while I do predict manufacturing decreasing. |
If we left the EU the whole of Britain wouldn't crumble you know
£24 mill a day we plough manically into the Euro coffers....madness |  | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:04 - Feb 20 with 3101 views | JackFrost |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 16:48 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
Britain's economy is overwhelmingly skewed towards services. I don't see that sector increasing significantly because of leaving the EU while I do predict manufacturing decreasing. |
Sure, London and financial services are vital to the UK (and will continue to be, if the HSBC example deciding to stay based in London is anything to go by), but we also have skilled and versatile manufacturing work forces across the country. We lost our car manufacturing companies in the 1970's , but foreign companies want their cars built here. At present, our economy is better than any other country in Europe, possibly bar Germany. |  | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:13 - Feb 20 with 3076 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:04 - Feb 20 by JackFrost |
Sure, London and financial services are vital to the UK (and will continue to be, if the HSBC example deciding to stay based in London is anything to go by), but we also have skilled and versatile manufacturing work forces across the country. We lost our car manufacturing companies in the 1970's , but foreign companies want their cars built here. At present, our economy is better than any other country in Europe, possibly bar Germany. |
It's car manufacturing I'm most concerned about. I suspect that Britain's car industry is strongly premised on Britain's EU status. You may disagree. When a country's car manufacturing goes, a lot of up-stream manufacturing goes with it. |  |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:20 - Feb 20 with 3063 views | QPRDave |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:13 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
It's car manufacturing I'm most concerned about. I suspect that Britain's car industry is strongly premised on Britain's EU status. You may disagree. When a country's car manufacturing goes, a lot of up-stream manufacturing goes with it. |
" I suspect that Britain's car industry is strongly premised on Britain's EU status "
What does that sentence mean?...In stupid terms if you must | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:24 - Feb 20 with 3052 views | essextaxiboy |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:13 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
It's car manufacturing I'm most concerned about. I suspect that Britain's car industry is strongly premised on Britain's EU status. You may disagree. When a country's car manufacturing goes, a lot of up-stream manufacturing goes with it. |
http://www.smmt.co.uk/2015/06/nissan-presses-on-with-uk-investment-in-37-million
Mike Hawes, SMMT Chief Executive, said, “This is great news for Nissan and its Sunderland workforce and follows more than £1 billion of fresh investment into UK vehicle production already announced this year. June 2015
Up stream manufacturers like like Bosch will be pushing for a trade deal if we leave . We are a big market for them to lose
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:25 - Feb 20 with 3054 views | JackFrost |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:13 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
It's car manufacturing I'm most concerned about. I suspect that Britain's car industry is strongly premised on Britain's EU status. You may disagree. When a country's car manufacturing goes, a lot of up-stream manufacturing goes with it. |
BMW have put in a lot of investment into the UK, and made money, because there's a talented work force here. They won't pull out, nor will German companies that have invested in our infrastructure, power etc - because it's profitable for them.
Nissan has indicated it won't pull out of the UK in the event of a Brexit. They'd lose more than they gain.
None of these companies want Brexit because they don't like change. But Britain will continue to be a huge draw for investment, particularly in hard worldwide economic times. | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:27 - Feb 20 with 3043 views | cyprusmel |
Why would anyone vote to stay in a European union when apart from all the other on going problems the auditors have for the last 18 years never signed off the accounts because no one can tell them where the money goes to. 55 million pounds a day is the U.K contribution into the club funds. |  | | |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:34 - Feb 20 with 3025 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:25 - Feb 20 by JackFrost |
BMW have put in a lot of investment into the UK, and made money, because there's a talented work force here. They won't pull out, nor will German companies that have invested in our infrastructure, power etc - because it's profitable for them.
Nissan has indicated it won't pull out of the UK in the event of a Brexit. They'd lose more than they gain.
None of these companies want Brexit because they don't like change. But Britain will continue to be a huge draw for investment, particularly in hard worldwide economic times. |
From experience, I don't put a lot of stock in what car manufacturers say. Rather their behaviour is best predicted by the availability of government subsidies. It will depend entirely on who has the deeper pockets: the EU, or Britain. | |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:41 - Feb 20 with 3008 views | essextaxiboy |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:34 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
From experience, I don't put a lot of stock in what car manufacturers say. Rather their behaviour is best predicted by the availability of government subsidies. It will depend entirely on who has the deeper pockets: the EU, or Britain. |
Isnt it against EU law for a member state to subsidise a private company. On the other hand an independent state can spend their money how they wish . | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:46 - Feb 20 with 2995 views | JackFrost |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:34 - Feb 20 by isawqpratwcity |
From experience, I don't put a lot of stock in what car manufacturers say. Rather their behaviour is best predicted by the availability of government subsidies. It will depend entirely on who has the deeper pockets: the EU, or Britain. |
If an ongoing business has to be subsidised by government, there's something wrong with the business. We've faced that over steel. | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:55 - Feb 20 with 2976 views | essextaxiboy |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 09:56 - Feb 20 by Mark1 |
Out.
I see Neil Woodford the investment bod says it'll make no difference economically if we leave. |
I have a few bob invested with Neil Woodford I was sent that report yesterday and read it expecting it be be heavily towards staying . I was pleasantly surprised to read that worst scenario on leaving is likely to be neutral .
Woodford is the Don amongst fund managers | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:01 - Feb 20 with 2970 views | Jigsore |
Some of which goes directly into underfunded areas of this country like the West Midlands, North East, Cornwall. I live in the North, do I think the government would put that amount of money anywhere near run down, Labour-supporting dumps? HAH. Only way we're getting that is moving to a postcode inside the M25.
Then more of that funding goes towards bringing the less affluent countries up to scratch and in the long run we're going to benefit from developed trade. And who knows, you might even get (non-retired) Brits emmigrating to countries other than the Central European ones for job opportunities. That'd be nice.
Of course we'd have more say in internal matters if we ever bothered to participate properly instead of just shouting I HATE YOU and slamming doors. You can bet an Anglo-German axis rather than a the Franco-German one we have now would play out differently for lots of things, especially France's overt influence over CAP
If we leave, which I don't believe we will but it'll be close like 55% to 45%, it'll almost certainly trigger another Scottish referendum and this time they'd choose to leave too. I bet Cameron is positively sh*tting himself at the prospect of been remembered as the PM who lost the EU and the Scots. |  |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:03 - Feb 20 with 2965 views | TheBlob |
A huge,landslide OUT votr.
But we'll stay in strangely. |  |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:09 - Feb 20 with 2950 views | JackFrost |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:01 - Feb 20 by Jigsore |
Some of which goes directly into underfunded areas of this country like the West Midlands, North East, Cornwall. I live in the North, do I think the government would put that amount of money anywhere near run down, Labour-supporting dumps? HAH. Only way we're getting that is moving to a postcode inside the M25.
Then more of that funding goes towards bringing the less affluent countries up to scratch and in the long run we're going to benefit from developed trade. And who knows, you might even get (non-retired) Brits emmigrating to countries other than the Central European ones for job opportunities. That'd be nice.
Of course we'd have more say in internal matters if we ever bothered to participate properly instead of just shouting I HATE YOU and slamming doors. You can bet an Anglo-German axis rather than a the Franco-German one we have now would play out differently for lots of things, especially France's overt influence over CAP
If we leave, which I don't believe we will but it'll be close like 55% to 45%, it'll almost certainly trigger another Scottish referendum and this time they'd choose to leave too. I bet Cameron is positively sh*tting himself at the prospect of been remembered as the PM who lost the EU and the Scots. |
Good point about Cameron. He may play dirty if he thinks he's losing, getting the TV media to favour the establishment etc (after all, he's PR and advertising) - but if he does, he could cause problems in the Tory party for years | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:11 - Feb 20 with 2949 views | HollowayRanger |
I think the britexit team need boris Johnson to stand a chance of winning they need a major main stream figurehead
if he votes to stay tomorrow then I think we will
NOT because of him but because britexit team just doesn't have enough punch to make an impact |  |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:19 - Feb 20 with 2943 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 17:46 - Feb 20 by JackFrost |
If an ongoing business has to be subsidised by government, there's something wrong with the business. We've faced that over steel. |
I think most countries would subsidise whatever car industries they have. It comes down to who will subsidise them more.
Of course it is preferable not to sudsidise the car industry, but a period of transition will be required to develop a new industry (what might that be? who knows?!) without collapsing Britain's manufacturing base. | |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:21 - Feb 20 with 2881 views | derbyhoop |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 11:26 - Feb 20 by ozexile |
I'm too far away to have a valid opinion. But fantastic debate guys to listen to all sides. This is why I love this site. |
Both sides? 2 pages in and all I read is a few people saying in, while the vocal majority are saying out for disparate reasons. Let me try to redress the balance.
The out lot think our trade won't be seriously affected. Yet virtually every survey predicts a drop, even if they cannot agree on the scale. The best I've seen is a 0.5% fall and the worst 9.8% - double the downturn in 2008/09.
The UK would have 2 years to get trade agreements in place with countries or the EU all of whom would be mighty p***ed off with our decision. There is a precedent. Greenland came in the 1970s as part of Denmark. When they voted to come out in 1982 it took 3 years, with Danish help, to negotiate an agreement for ONEbasic industry, fishing, covering 56,000 people. Who would help us? How much would we lose? How many jobs would be affected?
Yes, we have a trade deficit with the EU, but, while they would be happy to continue selling to the UK, would they be prepared to buy UK goods with tariffs on top of what we sell for now. |  |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:34 - Feb 20 with 2856 views | Discodroids |
after six years of blaming the EU for her failure to deport terrorists, criminals and hate-preachers Theresa May is campaigning to remain. Incompetent fcking self serving bearded hag.
The EU are useful to the likes of Cameron and Corbyn insofar as they provide a lightning-rod to deflect from our home-grown politicians incompetence.
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:35 - Feb 20 with 2858 views | QPRDave |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:03 - Feb 20 by TheBlob |
A huge,landslide OUT votr.
But we'll stay in strangely. |
And I believe this is a real possibility ..... | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:52 - Feb 20 with 2832 views | QPRDave |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 18:01 - Feb 20 by Jigsore |
Some of which goes directly into underfunded areas of this country like the West Midlands, North East, Cornwall. I live in the North, do I think the government would put that amount of money anywhere near run down, Labour-supporting dumps? HAH. Only way we're getting that is moving to a postcode inside the M25.
Then more of that funding goes towards bringing the less affluent countries up to scratch and in the long run we're going to benefit from developed trade. And who knows, you might even get (non-retired) Brits emmigrating to countries other than the Central European ones for job opportunities. That'd be nice.
Of course we'd have more say in internal matters if we ever bothered to participate properly instead of just shouting I HATE YOU and slamming doors. You can bet an Anglo-German axis rather than a the Franco-German one we have now would play out differently for lots of things, especially France's overt influence over CAP
If we leave, which I don't believe we will but it'll be close like 55% to 45%, it'll almost certainly trigger another Scottish referendum and this time they'd choose to leave too. I bet Cameron is positively sh*tting himself at the prospect of been remembered as the PM who lost the EU and the Scots. |
Interested to know, what exactly have you got to show in the north for all this funding.
In Cornwall the EU are or the govt, are asking for the money back now .
Steve Double, Conservative MP for St Austell and Newquay, said the clawback was "completely being driven by the EU Commission". | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:55 - Feb 20 with 2825 views | QPRDave |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:21 - Feb 20 by derbyhoop |
Both sides? 2 pages in and all I read is a few people saying in, while the vocal majority are saying out for disparate reasons. Let me try to redress the balance.
The out lot think our trade won't be seriously affected. Yet virtually every survey predicts a drop, even if they cannot agree on the scale. The best I've seen is a 0.5% fall and the worst 9.8% - double the downturn in 2008/09.
The UK would have 2 years to get trade agreements in place with countries or the EU all of whom would be mighty p***ed off with our decision. There is a precedent. Greenland came in the 1970s as part of Denmark. When they voted to come out in 1982 it took 3 years, with Danish help, to negotiate an agreement for ONEbasic industry, fishing, covering 56,000 people. Who would help us? How much would we lose? How many jobs would be affected?
Yes, we have a trade deficit with the EU, but, while they would be happy to continue selling to the UK, would they be prepared to buy UK goods with tariffs on top of what we sell for now. |
Surely the last paragraph is missing the point that we can and will negotiate a free trade deal.. | | | |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 20:26 - Feb 20 with 2791 views | Jigsore |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:52 - Feb 20 by QPRDave |
Interested to know, what exactly have you got to show in the north for all this funding.
In Cornwall the EU are or the govt, are asking for the money back now .
Steve Double, Conservative MP for St Austell and Newquay, said the clawback was "completely being driven by the EU Commission". |
the EU paid for high speed internet for nearly every house in North Yorkshire
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/internet-revolution-under-way-in-rural-yorks
I can guarantee you we wouldn't see a penny of that otherwise | |
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| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 20:26 - Feb 20 with 2787 views | essextaxiboy |
| Euro Referendum - What do Loft for Words posters think? on 19:21 - Feb 20 by derbyhoop |
Both sides? 2 pages in and all I read is a few people saying in, while the vocal majority are saying out for disparate reasons. Let me try to redress the balance.
The out lot think our trade won't be seriously affected. Yet virtually every survey predicts a drop, even if they cannot agree on the scale. The best I've seen is a 0.5% fall and the worst 9.8% - double the downturn in 2008/09.
The UK would have 2 years to get trade agreements in place with countries or the EU all of whom would be mighty p***ed off with our decision. There is a precedent. Greenland came in the 1970s as part of Denmark. When they voted to come out in 1982 it took 3 years, with Danish help, to negotiate an agreement for ONEbasic industry, fishing, covering 56,000 people. Who would help us? How much would we lose? How many jobs would be affected?
Yes, we have a trade deficit with the EU, but, while they would be happy to continue selling to the UK, would they be prepared to buy UK goods with tariffs on top of what we sell for now. |
They are not disparate reasons , just reasons .
To compare our economy with Greenland is like comparing Rangers with the Dog and Duck 2nd 11. In 1982 there was nothing online at all . Trade agreements would easily be done in the two years it will take to exit .
They would not be p*issed off with our decision just terrifed of it . Who would help us ? No one..we are the 5th largest economy in the world .
If we have a good product that wil make someone a profit they will buy it.
TBH you need a bit more than that . | | | |
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