| Marti's remarks on the ref 20:10 - Jan 25 with 5516 views | stainrods_elbow |
'Refereeing should be about protecting the game as well, when there is one team that is trying to be proactive and one that is reactive, and is constantly stopping. Credit to them, they do it really well, and were clinical, but it seems today there were some situations that could have been reffed in a different way.'
From the BBC report.
Interesting, as he often likes to remind us (and did so again today to the WLS) that referees have a hard job and he never likes to criticise them. The ref was certainly too lenient with his cards for me, while seeming in a world of his own at other times, like that bizarre goal kick/free kick fiasco, but the main issues were (i) our not playing quickly or effectively enough in the final third (which is down to playing Varane and Field together, and Chair still clearly not quite himself), (ii) Frey being too isolated/lacking service (and also off it), and (iii) Wednesday's persistent fouling, disruptiveness and gamesmanship with players going down in the second half who are clearly in perfect health. Unfortunately, that's the modern game, and just about everyone does it, and I don't necessarily see how the ref could have had that much more of an impact on it than he did.
Like a few others, I'm actually not too dispirited because I do think the underlying trend has clearly been consistently and impressively upwards, but I'd be more interested, when Marti talks about learning from a game, what he's learning, and, you know, maybe telling us once in a while. We're fans, and we'd like to know. Is he happy with the creativity in midfield? How does he account for the fact that our centre forward hardly touched the ball today, and how is he planning to addressing it? Why do our dead ball deliveries/free kick routines not seem to be improving? It would help if people whose job it is to ask interesting/challenging questions did so once in a while. [Post edited 25 Jan 20:14]
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:19 - Jan 25 with 3949 views | JamesB1979 |
On I), we’ve got 12 from 15 with these 2 in midfield. The issue for me was we were “leggy” and particularly players like Field and to some extent Morgan, who are both so vital to our play. We do not have a lot of quality but we do have a hard working team. When we are as a team tired and we’re against a physical solid side, we struggle and result is what you saw today. That said, Ronnie puts his header 1 foot the other side it’s 1-0 and we win. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:23 - Jan 25 with 3915 views | WatfordR |
Dreadful performance from the ref. Wednesday clearly knew about Dunne's threat from throw ins and set pieces, and he was held around the waist at every set piece from minute one. If you're booking Smyth for his challenge out on the wing, you have GOT to be booking their fella for taking Smyth out on the edge of the area. It's a yellow card all day every day.
As I said elsewhere, if one of our players moved, he was held, wrestled or taken down all bloody afternoon, most of the time without a free kick being awarded, let alone a card being shown.
I don't think he was biased, just inept. Bloke looked out of his depth to me. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:26 - Jan 25 with 3869 views | stainrods_elbow |
I thought the energy was fine in the first half - we more than matched them, and for me Smyth was fizzing and Morgan certainly not mingin', as I said on the match thread, though struggled to create very much. The big worry for me was how we lost our way in the second half when the likes of Bannon and Windass started to take over a bit. For me, the issue isn't so much physical as technical - Field and Varane give us little in the way of attacking creativity, and when Chair's not on his game too, we fall short. | |
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:28 - Jan 25 with 3850 views | JamesB1979 |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:26 - Jan 25 by stainrods_elbow |
I thought the energy was fine in the first half - we more than matched them, and for me Smyth was fizzing and Morgan certainly not mingin', as I said on the match thread, though struggled to create very much. The big worry for me was how we lost our way in the second half when the likes of Bannon and Windass started to take over a bit. For me, the issue isn't so much physical as technical - Field and Varane give us little in the way of attacking creativity, and when Chair's not on his game too, we fall short. |
Varane is never going to give you much going forward. That’s not what he’s there for. Sounds like you’re agreeing that we looked leggy second half then? I would say a couple
Of deserved bookings for Wednesday would have changed it a bit I think | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:33 - Jan 25 with 3806 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:23 - Jan 25 by WatfordR |
Dreadful performance from the ref. Wednesday clearly knew about Dunne's threat from throw ins and set pieces, and he was held around the waist at every set piece from minute one. If you're booking Smyth for his challenge out on the wing, you have GOT to be booking their fella for taking Smyth out on the edge of the area. It's a yellow card all day every day.
As I said elsewhere, if one of our players moved, he was held, wrestled or taken down all bloody afternoon, most of the time without a free kick being awarded, let alone a card being shown.
I don't think he was biased, just inept. Bloke looked out of his depth to me. |
That one definitely was, and, hindsight being 20/20 and all that, and. to speculate on Marti's remarks, there's certainly a strong argument for saying that, if he'd gone to his book earlier and more decisively in the game, they might have been less cynical later on, and we could have perhaps played a bit more football as a result. But they were a lot more clinical and effective, could actually have scored three or four (Nardi made two great stops in the first half, one of which Marti seemed to have forgotten about post-match), while, Paal's set piece aside, we always looked like we were going to struggle to score one. Chair can do what Bannon did for the first goal, but didn't, and it was also a very good finish. Dems da breaks! | |
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 with 3726 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
Yeah why doesn’t he give us a 90 minute breakdown of everything he’s learned and next week’s game plan, broadcast for all to see on YouTube.
Whilst we’re at it, he’s been here well over a year now and he still hasn’t told us what he has on his toast nor how long his member is. Does he ever have a middle of the night sit down wee? Does he use hair wax or cheap supermarket hair gel? What’s the point in him demanding to do all the press before and after games if he’s not going to tell all? We are fans after all.
Screw the good football, progress and 12 points in 15. Get him out. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 with 3720 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:28 - Jan 25 by JamesB1979 |
Varane is never going to give you much going forward. That’s not what he’s there for. Sounds like you’re agreeing that we looked leggy second half then? I would say a couple
Of deserved bookings for Wednesday would have changed it a bit I think |
Varane showed us with that superb strike in our latest FA cup surrender that he can step up and be an attacking threat, but he needs to become a lot more positive in his passing and decisive in his forward thinking. If he can't be coached to, or doesn't have the ability, him and Field together in midfield is too much (or if you prefer not enough) if we want to create and progress. Hopefully, Marti is learning this. | |
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 21:37 - Jan 25 with 3465 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:23 - Jan 25 by WatfordR |
Dreadful performance from the ref. Wednesday clearly knew about Dunne's threat from throw ins and set pieces, and he was held around the waist at every set piece from minute one. If you're booking Smyth for his challenge out on the wing, you have GOT to be booking their fella for taking Smyth out on the edge of the area. It's a yellow card all day every day.
As I said elsewhere, if one of our players moved, he was held, wrestled or taken down all bloody afternoon, most of the time without a free kick being awarded, let alone a card being shown.
I don't think he was biased, just inept. Bloke looked out of his depth to me. |
Bannon the little balding goblin actually left his feet with a waist high tackle causing a free but no yellow card that was astonishing really. Nardi got hit late on a clearence /free catch another gaurnteed yellow but nothing then Smyth got hacked down pretty aggressivly which was a yellow card foul but nothing as usual.Thats the reason Smyth actually started laughing when he got was given yellow later on it was just not a good performance by the ref at all.
Of course thats not why we lost but the ref needs to keep control and looking at what happened with Jimmy Dunne at the final whistle proves that . |  | | |
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 23:38 - Jan 25 with 3107 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yeah why doesn’t he give us a 90 minute breakdown of everything he’s learned and next week’s game plan, broadcast for all to see on YouTube.
Whilst we’re at it, he’s been here well over a year now and he still hasn’t told us what he has on his toast nor how long his member is. Does he ever have a middle of the night sit down wee? Does he use hair wax or cheap supermarket hair gel? What’s the point in him demanding to do all the press before and after games if he’s not going to tell all? We are fans after all.
Screw the good football, progress and 12 points in 15. Get him out. |
You really are a ray of sunshine, aren't you! Perhaps you could explain to the adults on the board why mixing in a little constructive criticism with my fan love makes you feel so threatened?
If you don't draw angry caricatures for a living, perhaps you should take it up as a hobby, as I think you'd be very good. [Post edited 25 Jan 23:45]
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:24 - Jan 26 with 2632 views | paulparker |
He was minging and inept |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:27 - Jan 26 with 2611 views | Paddyhoops |
The ref wasn’t very good . They had some wily pros giving him an earache and it worked .
He always seemed to be able to find yellow card for our lads but couldn’t never locate for Wednesdays misdemeanours. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:44 - Jan 26 with 2540 views | silverbirch |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 21:37 - Jan 25 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Bannon the little balding goblin actually left his feet with a waist high tackle causing a free but no yellow card that was astonishing really. Nardi got hit late on a clearence /free catch another gaurnteed yellow but nothing then Smyth got hacked down pretty aggressivly which was a yellow card foul but nothing as usual.Thats the reason Smyth actually started laughing when he got was given yellow later on it was just not a good performance by the ref at all.
Of course thats not why we lost but the ref needs to keep control and looking at what happened with Jimmy Dunne at the final whistle proves that . |
What happened with dunne? | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:54 - Jan 26 with 2272 views | E15Hoop |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 23:38 - Jan 25 by stainrods_elbow |
You really are a ray of sunshine, aren't you! Perhaps you could explain to the adults on the board why mixing in a little constructive criticism with my fan love makes you feel so threatened?
If you don't draw angry caricatures for a living, perhaps you should take it up as a hobby, as I think you'd be very good. [Post edited 25 Jan 23:45]
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Having called you out on a few occasions where you have been somewhat on the OTT side, I feel we should also give you credit when you've clearly made a concerted effort to be a little more balanced and reasonable and less ranty.
I've certainly noticed a positive change in you tone in general over the last couple of weeks or so, and hope it continues. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:18 - Jan 26 with 2204 views | gazza1 |
I do not think he stopped us winning the game but he did not help us at all.....Wednesday made a lot of important fouls (for them) and stopped us going forward a lot. He failed to give some pretty obvious yellow cards, the first was Smyth for a rugby tackle which was correct decision but could & should have given a couple of Wednesday players but opted no to. My view is that he did not play very well at all. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:25 - Jan 26 with 2173 views | JamesB1979 |
Challenge on Smyth was clear yellow and then the player who just pushed Nardi over for no reason….clear yellow. My son said Chair got thrown to floor at kick off in 2nd half and that’s why he then did that challenge? In close game, these decisions change the game. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:35 - Jan 26 with 2133 views | Northernr |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:18 - Jan 26 by gazza1 |
I do not think he stopped us winning the game but he did not help us at all.....Wednesday made a lot of important fouls (for them) and stopped us going forward a lot. He failed to give some pretty obvious yellow cards, the first was Smyth for a rugby tackle which was correct decision but could & should have given a couple of Wednesday players but opted no to. My view is that he did not play very well at all. |
Same view as me. Not the reason we lost but...
1 - some very bizarre moments, like the one where he was trying to get the goalkeeper to take his goal kick 20 yards out from goal until apparently being talked out of it by the fourth official.
2 - some rabid inconsistencies. I didn't really have a problem with the Smyth or Chair yellow cards, but how can the guy who felled Smyth just as he was cutting through into the penalty area not get one? Or the nasty crack right through the back of Field by the dug outs on 52 to, again, interrupt a counter attack?
Not a good advert for the oft-touted idea that former pros should become referees. You'd expect him to be wise to the dark arts footballers get up to having played the game himself, but he fell for every trick in the book. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 15:14 - Jan 26 with 1888 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:35 - Jan 26 by Northernr |
Same view as me. Not the reason we lost but...
1 - some very bizarre moments, like the one where he was trying to get the goalkeeper to take his goal kick 20 yards out from goal until apparently being talked out of it by the fourth official.
2 - some rabid inconsistencies. I didn't really have a problem with the Smyth or Chair yellow cards, but how can the guy who felled Smyth just as he was cutting through into the penalty area not get one? Or the nasty crack right through the back of Field by the dug outs on 52 to, again, interrupt a counter attack?
Not a good advert for the oft-touted idea that former pros should become referees. You'd expect him to be wise to the dark arts footballers get up to having played the game himself, but he fell for every trick in the book. |
I think an issue with the former pros should become referees argument is that the game (and indeed it's rules) is always evolving and, moreover, differs across leagues. There's a risk that the former pro referee could be using his interpretation, based on his experiences, rather than applying the letter of the law. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 15:20 - Jan 26 with 1858 views | flynnbo |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:35 - Jan 26 by Northernr |
Same view as me. Not the reason we lost but...
1 - some very bizarre moments, like the one where he was trying to get the goalkeeper to take his goal kick 20 yards out from goal until apparently being talked out of it by the fourth official.
2 - some rabid inconsistencies. I didn't really have a problem with the Smyth or Chair yellow cards, but how can the guy who felled Smyth just as he was cutting through into the penalty area not get one? Or the nasty crack right through the back of Field by the dug outs on 52 to, again, interrupt a counter attack?
Not a good advert for the oft-touted idea that former pros should become referees. You'd expect him to be wise to the dark arts footballers get up to having played the game himself, but he fell for every trick in the book. |
Furthermore, shouldn’t play be stopped if the ball hits the referee regardless of who is in possession? |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 16:07 - Jan 26 with 1756 views | richpr |
Can’t see the reason for this post. No contentious issues yesterday - ref was ok except for getting conned a couple of times (usually by Smyth). No nasty tackles, no outrageous time wasting. Sheffield W we’re just that little bit stronger physically and tactics-wise on the day. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 19:11 - Jan 26 with 1535 views | stowmarketrange |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:44 - Jan 26 by silverbirch |
What happened with dunne? |
He lost his rag at one of their defenders at ft.He confronted one of them about the treatment he’d received from them I guess.He had to be dragged away by one of our players and one of theirs.
It quickly ended though. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 19:30 - Jan 26 with 1475 views | amhoop |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:35 - Jan 26 by Northernr |
Same view as me. Not the reason we lost but...
1 - some very bizarre moments, like the one where he was trying to get the goalkeeper to take his goal kick 20 yards out from goal until apparently being talked out of it by the fourth official.
2 - some rabid inconsistencies. I didn't really have a problem with the Smyth or Chair yellow cards, but how can the guy who felled Smyth just as he was cutting through into the penalty area not get one? Or the nasty crack right through the back of Field by the dug outs on 52 to, again, interrupt a counter attack?
Not a good advert for the oft-touted idea that former pros should become referees. You'd expect him to be wise to the dark arts footballers get up to having played the game himself, but he fell for every trick in the book. |
The goal kick one was bizarre. It looked like he forgot it was a goal kick and thought it was a FK for offside (had his arm in the air). AR on opposite side then said something - presumably what the hell are you both doing… and GK was taken. Amateur stuff. Had a mare in the week and an even bigger one few weeks back at Stoke Sheff Wed where he just about got everything wrong. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 19:52 - Jan 26 with 1439 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:54 - Jan 26 by E15Hoop |
Having called you out on a few occasions where you have been somewhat on the OTT side, I feel we should also give you credit when you've clearly made a concerted effort to be a little more balanced and reasonable and less ranty.
I've certainly noticed a positive change in you tone in general over the last couple of weeks or so, and hope it continues. |
Thanks for the positive progress report, Mr Teacher. I can confirm I'm working hard on my moral self-improvement under the watchful eyes of the more evolved grown-ups in the room. [Post edited 26 Jan 20:00]
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:00 - Jan 26 with 1404 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yeah why doesn’t he give us a 90 minute breakdown of everything he’s learned and next week’s game plan, broadcast for all to see on YouTube.
Whilst we’re at it, he’s been here well over a year now and he still hasn’t told us what he has on his toast nor how long his member is. Does he ever have a middle of the night sit down wee? Does he use hair wax or cheap supermarket hair gel? What’s the point in him demanding to do all the press before and after games if he’s not going to tell all? We are fans after all.
Screw the good football, progress and 12 points in 15. Get him out. |
Poached egg, 7", every wee is a sit down wee , it's not hair wax it's lard. Doesn't anyone read Shoot anymore? |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:20 - Jan 26 with 1344 views | Lanhoop |
Initially I thought the ref was doing ok, letting the game flow and not over-reffing it but as the match went on he got worse and worse and to my mind his last 30 minutes (particularly because of his inconsistency) was one of the worst I've seen since Stroud was poncing around. I'd be happy to never see him again.
Wasn't why we lost but that doesn't mean he wasn't very ess, haitch, one, tee. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 21:24 - Jan 26 with 1247 views | KernowRanger |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:27 - Jan 26 by Paddyhoops |
The ref wasn’t very good . They had some wily pros giving him an earache and it worked .
He always seemed to be able to find yellow card for our lads but couldn’t never locate for Wednesdays misdemeanours. |
Was really noticeable how little we engaged with the ref yesterday - all through our good run the senior players (Field, Frey, Dunne especially) have been noticeably more vocal and forceful when we felt a decision hadn't gone our way, not letting the other team take the piss, etc. For whatever reason yesterday was the first time in a good while that wasn't happening - and we suffered as a result.
On the FK/GK moment - I think he mistakenly thought that Chair had taken our free kick rather than Paal - so when it bounced off the post and straight to Chair he then awarded a free kick as taker can't touch it twice, and carried on with that till someone pointed it out. Bizarre sequence all round really. |  | | |
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