| Sinn Fein 07:38 - Apr 4 with 11938 views | CountyJim |
Looking like they will be the biggest party in NI it's not really a surprise given how many unionist parties there are they are bound to spilt the vote
It would be nice to have a none religious vote over there but it's not going to happen |  | | |  |
| Sinn Fein on 22:12 - May 8 with 1471 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 21:56 - May 8 by Lorax |
You said they'd won 4 councils before, on a different thread. Which is it? As I pointed out, plaids share of the vote dropped, outside of their heartlands nobody much cares for them and that means independence is a forlorn hope for a long time.
Scotland and Northern Ireland may be a different story, who knows. |
Northern Island is different but the Republican parties lost 5 seats and their vote share fell below 40% to 39.6% . They actually got less vote than the Unionist 40.1%
Still well short of the 50% needed to call a United Ireland referendum. [Post edited 8 May 2022 22:15]
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| Sinn Fein on 22:18 - May 8 with 1454 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 21:52 - May 8 by Lohengrin |
Leaving aside the fact that all the equipment would be the property of the NHS not Healthcare Ireland, current per capita spending is about £1000 higher in Northern Ireland than in the Republic.
Treatment pathways would be abruptly cut off. People would die, Tramp. [Post edited 8 May 2022 22:47]
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Life expectancy is longer in Ireland than it is in the UK. |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 22:38 - May 8 with 1437 views | Lohengrin |
| Sinn Fein on 22:18 - May 8 by trampie |
Life expectancy is longer in Ireland than it is in the UK. |
I would be interested to see how that is calculated?
The following is an extract from the Irish cross-party parliamentary committee “Sláintecare” report:
“Ireland ‘is the only Western European country that does not offer universal coverage of primary care, with 60% of the population paying out of pocket on average €52 per GP visit and two thirds of the population paying up to €144 per month for drugs as well as paying for other primary care services.
An emergency room visit without a GP referral is €100, a night in a hospital is €80 (up to an annual cap of €800) and even for those who sign up for the drugs payment scheme drug costs can be up to €144 per month.
Ireland had the second highest rate of unmet need for healthcare due to cost, distance or waiting lists among EU countries in 2014, and the research shows an increasing incidence of unaffordable private health spending on user fees and private health insurance as patients seek to avoid long delays.“
Unification would break that system entirely. |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 06:03 - May 9 with 1374 views | trampie |
Last list I seen showed Ireland to be the 18th best country in the world for life expectancy, UK was down in 29th. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 06:23 - May 9 with 1361 views | trampie |
Looking from the outside the NHS unfortunately isn't what it once was, is it deliberately been run down by the Conservatives so they can falsely say it's failing so they can privatise it, some people think that is the case. [Post edited 9 May 2022 6:28]
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| Sinn Fein on 07:02 - May 9 with 1342 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 06:03 - May 9 by trampie |
Last list I seen showed Ireland to be the 18th best country in the world for life expectancy, UK was down in 29th. |
Depends which figures you use
England 82.7
UK 82.4
WHO Ireland 82.2
NI 82.2
Wales 81.7
Irish government figures 81.5
WHO UK 80.8
Scotland 80.3
Don't live in Scotland is the only advice | |
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| Sinn Fein on 07:48 - May 9 with 1327 views | trampie |
| Sinn Fein on 07:02 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Depends which figures you use
England 82.7
UK 82.4
WHO Ireland 82.2
NI 82.2
Wales 81.7
Irish government figures 81.5
WHO UK 80.8
Scotland 80.3
Don't live in Scotland is the only advice |
That is the point, the people in the North of Ireland that are being treated for some ailment or other aren't going to die on mass if there is a united Ireland, it's unionist scaremongering, just like the Scottish referendum, you won't have a pension, you wouldn't have the pound, you wont have the Queen, you can't join Europe, you will lose your job blah blah blah, all nonsense there will be some examples of individual lossers no doubt, but it's all bull to frighten people.
As regards Scotland they eat and drink well, personally I can't fault that and I would prefer that to eating celery and drinking water. [Post edited 9 May 2022 9:35]
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| Sinn Fein on 08:43 - May 9 with 1298 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Sinn Fein on 20:20 - May 8 by BryanSwan |
With how things are going with N.Ireland and Scotland it does make me question the absolute apathy we have here in Wales.
Could you imagine being left tied to just England when N.Ire and Scotland leave. |
No - we do not want Wales-shire, so Cymru will rejoin the EU with our Celtic cousins.
Little England will follow after they ditch Brexit and jail Johnson. |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 09:31 - May 9 with 1278 views | raynor94 |
| Sinn Fein on 20:20 - May 8 by BryanSwan |
With how things are going with N.Ireland and Scotland it does make me question the absolute apathy we have here in Wales.
Could you imagine being left tied to just England when N.Ire and Scotland leave. |
You call it apathy, the vast majority in Wales call it common sense.
And when it comes to the crunch Scotland will remain part of the Union |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 09:47 - May 9 with 1262 views | BryanSwan |
| Sinn Fein on 09:31 - May 9 by raynor94 |
You call it apathy, the vast majority in Wales call it common sense.
And when it comes to the crunch Scotland will remain part of the Union |
Im not so sure it would be such a vast majority in those circumstances.
The break up of the union in some shape or form is inevitable. Westminster and the Conservatives have all but guarenteed that. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 12:23 - May 9 with 1218 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 09:47 - May 9 by BryanSwan |
Im not so sure it would be such a vast majority in those circumstances.
The break up of the union in some shape or form is inevitable. Westminster and the Conservatives have all but guarenteed that. |
Have they any evidence?
Scotland rejected independence in the last referendum
NI Republican parties got 39% of the vote
Wales only 20% want independence. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 12:38 - May 9 with 1215 views | Lohengrin |
| Sinn Fein on 07:48 - May 9 by trampie |
That is the point, the people in the North of Ireland that are being treated for some ailment or other aren't going to die on mass if there is a united Ireland, it's unionist scaremongering, just like the Scottish referendum, you won't have a pension, you wouldn't have the pound, you wont have the Queen, you can't join Europe, you will lose your job blah blah blah, all nonsense there will be some examples of individual lossers no doubt, but it's all bull to frighten people.
As regards Scotland they eat and drink well, personally I can't fault that and I would prefer that to eating celery and drinking water. [Post edited 9 May 2022 9:35]
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” the people in the North of Ireland that are being treated for some ailment or other aren't going to die on mass if there is a united Ireland.”
Without facilities, equipment, staff or any sort of a budget for provision how do you propose people are treated? A combination of wishful thinking and obliging fairies?
Without solid fiscal underpinning advanced society ceases to function. The obstacles to unification are completely insurmountable. The situation in Ireland is totally different to that of Germany when the GDR collapsed. There simply aren’t the reserves or tax base to make the proposition even half-way feasible.
That isn’t scaremongering that’s the picture painted by the official figures released by the Dáil Éireann and Westminster respectively. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 13:23 - May 9 with 1200 views | BryanSwan |
| Sinn Fein on 12:23 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Have they any evidence?
Scotland rejected independence in the last referendum
NI Republican parties got 39% of the vote
Wales only 20% want independence. |
Everyone knows the last referendum on Scotland was entirely based on staying in the EU and even then they were only just convinced to stay.
In N.Ireland the growth for uniting is pretty positive.
I think we are the only ones where growth for independence is a bit stagnant, although the support for further devolution is high (people willing to take smaller risks rather than a bigger risk of indy).
I think there is a general apathy towards politics and things never changing or getting better. Even locally barely anyone bothers to vote as what difference does it really make? They'll all try to con you one way or another. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 13:28 - May 9 with 1199 views | Ebo |
| Sinn Fein on 09:31 - May 9 by raynor94 |
You call it apathy, the vast majority in Wales call it common sense.
And when it comes to the crunch Scotland will remain part of the Union |
Funny how Westminster are reluctant to grant indy ref2 isn't it? They know what the result will be this time and it won't be the one they want.
Break this unequal union up now for the good of all of us. |  |
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| Sinn Fein on 14:49 - May 9 with 1179 views | onehunglow |
If they were to unite Ireland then it could the case the old divide would open up again as not all want it,nor ever would.
When you have a women with the history of IRA murderers as friends and kin then you will always have dissenters. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 16:53 - May 9 with 1142 views | Ebo |
| Sinn Fein on 14:49 - May 9 by onehunglow |
If they were to unite Ireland then it could the case the old divide would open up again as not all want it,nor ever would.
When you have a women with the history of IRA murderers as friends and kin then you will always have dissenters. |
Yet you refuse to acknowledge the utter filth that maimed, killed and made catholics second class citizens in that era while the dirty brits turned a blind eye, it was a war Richie and in war people get killed. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 16:58 - May 9 with 1139 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 16:53 - May 9 by Ebo |
Yet you refuse to acknowledge the utter filth that maimed, killed and made catholics second class citizens in that era while the dirty brits turned a blind eye, it was a war Richie and in war people get killed. |
You of course chose to ignore the women, children killed in both NI and on the UK mainland by the IRA terrorist. Even if it was war, which it was not, the IRA were guilty of war crimes. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 16:58 - May 9 with 1138 views | Ebo |
| Sinn Fein on 16:58 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
You of course chose to ignore the women, children killed in both NI and on the UK mainland by the IRA terrorist. Even if it was war, which it was not, the IRA were guilty of war crimes. |
One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
The dirty brits committed many many war crimes. [Post edited 9 May 2022 17:00]
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| Sinn Fein on 17:04 - May 9 with 1134 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 16:58 - May 9 by Ebo |
One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
The dirty brits committed many many war crimes. [Post edited 9 May 2022 17:00]
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The IRA Committed most of the war crimes. In a democratic society you make changes via the ballot box.
I guess you support the freedom fighters of Russian trying yo free Ukraine by killing civilians, bombing schools, hospitals and committing genocide. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 17:11 - May 9 with 1129 views | Ebo |
| Sinn Fein on 17:04 - May 9 by felixstowe_jack |
The IRA Committed most of the war crimes. In a democratic society you make changes via the ballot box.
I guess you support the freedom fighters of Russian trying yo free Ukraine by killing civilians, bombing schools, hospitals and committing genocide. |
I don't support Russia at all but I do support that Ireland should be a united, democratic and free republic with no British rule. Just like the Ukrainians are fighting for. | |
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| Sinn Fein on 17:15 - May 9 with 1126 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Sinn Fein on 16:58 - May 9 by Ebo |
One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
The dirty brits committed many many war crimes. [Post edited 9 May 2022 17:00]
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The IRA Committed most of the war crimes. In a democratic society you make changes via the ballot box.
I guess you support the freedom fighters of Russian trying yo free Ukraine by killing civilians, bombing schools, hospitals and committing genocide. | |
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