| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today 19:08 - Dec 29 with 6385 views | Professor |
Despite clear gaps in testing. I think some people posting on here in recent weeks need to wake up to the understanding that Omicron, although a lesser individual risk, represents a risk to the population. A third of London Fire Brigade missing through Covid
After being ridiculed for suggesting we would be looking at 200,000 daily cases then some should be looking up the recipe for humble pie.
Get vaccinated and get boosted, because the chance of infection is considerable
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:48 - Dec 29 with 1243 views | 73__73 |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:18 - Dec 29 by Boundy |
A few assumptions being made "Most of those 57 I’d imagine were already in hospital very ill and that’s where they caught covid." anything which could prove your guess would help in the debate |
No assumptions at all. Only 29% of people who are in hospital with covid were admitted due to covid. The remaining 71% were already in hospital with other illnesses, and in hospital the 71% caught covid. | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:50 - Dec 29 with 1241 views | 73__73 |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:30 - Dec 29 by Scotia |
I'm very impressed how this post and the previous one from AFD have managed to overlook the most significant points that the Prof has raised and replaced them with guesswork and an irrelevant technicality.
We'll done. What do you suggest happens if another Grenfell Tower fire happens tonight? |
The only thing I can suggest is for you to stop smoking the crack. | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:53 - Dec 29 with 1238 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:50 - Dec 29 by 73__73 |
The only thing I can suggest is for you to stop smoking the crack. |
Excellent. | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:57 - Dec 29 with 1214 views | 73__73 |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:53 - Dec 29 by Scotia |
Excellent. |
No response to my answer to your previous question I see. | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 21:14 - Dec 29 with 1203 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 20:57 - Dec 29 by 73__73 |
No response to my answer to your previous question I see. |
You replied to my post with "stop smoking crack", I don't smoke crack so I don't know how to respond.
If you're referring to your other response to Boundy, then you're jumping to the conclusion that those admitted for a different reason are those that die from covid. Can you prove that's the case?
How do you suggest a fire service depleted by 30% due to one particular outbreak of a virus, in addition to other sickness and other absence respond to a major disaster? | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 21:36 - Dec 29 with 1181 views | builthjack |
Those numbers will double in a fortnight. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:05 - Dec 29 with 1116 views | controversial_jack |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 19:20 - Dec 29 by 73__73 |
10,000 total hospitalisation. How many were hospitalised due to covid and how many caught covid whilst already in hospital for other conditions ? |
For patients to catch it in hospital it must already be there, brought in my patients with covid.
Does it really matter where they catch it. I can't see 183k ppl catching it in hospital every day. [Post edited 29 Dec 2021 23:09]
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:17 - Dec 29 with 1098 views | LittleEnglandJack |
I do hate to question the clinical expertise of our resident doctor, but he knows as well as I do that many of these are incidental admissions and that many of these patients are not presenting with the same symptoms as in previous waves. You only have to ask those at the front line who will confirm that pneumonia etc are not symptoms most Omicron patients are presenting with.
I do however agree, get vaccinated. | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:26 - Dec 29 with 1089 views | Professor |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:17 - Dec 29 by LittleEnglandJack |
I do hate to question the clinical expertise of our resident doctor, but he knows as well as I do that many of these are incidental admissions and that many of these patients are not presenting with the same symptoms as in previous waves. You only have to ask those at the front line who will confirm that pneumonia etc are not symptoms most Omicron patients are presenting with.
I do however agree, get vaccinated. |
I’m an immunologist not a medic my friend.
Much lower pneumonia incidence as does not attach the alveoli to the same extent. Thankfully. But can cause other problems. Sometimes changes in infection biology can lead to other problems and long term effects may yet be problematical. But let’s hope not.
The point I was trying to make is not the high mortality of previous waves, but the sheer numbers of people who are still too unwell to work putting wider pressure on all sorts of services | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:29 - Dec 29 with 1083 views | howenjack |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 19:47 - Dec 29 by 73__73 |
North Wales will be empty on New Year’s Eve, thousands heading over to Liverpool, Chester etc.
I hope they all have a fantastic night
South east wales too, Bristol will be bouncing |
Great , I hope they all enjoy themselves I used to have some great nights out in Manchester back in the day . | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:37 - Dec 29 with 1074 views | LittleEnglandJack |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:26 - Dec 29 by Professor |
I’m an immunologist not a medic my friend.
Much lower pneumonia incidence as does not attach the alveoli to the same extent. Thankfully. But can cause other problems. Sometimes changes in infection biology can lead to other problems and long term effects may yet be problematical. But let’s hope not.
The point I was trying to make is not the high mortality of previous waves, but the sheer numbers of people who are still too unwell to work putting wider pressure on all sorts of services |
I do apologise my friend. I don't want to appear part of the loony anti-vax crowd.
I can only speak from my experience. My biologist friend tells me that the eventual end game here has to be to end mandatory isolation and mass testing,,and I agree. I have had omicron as have others I know and it's been a 3 or 4 day cold. I know it can still have serious consequences for some but I personally believe shutting down society again can't be the answer for a disease of this magnitude. I would point to the flatlining if not decreasing mechanical ventilation bed numbers as evidence, but I am prepared to be persuaded otherwise. | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 00:25 - Dec 30 with 1046 views | Professor |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:37 - Dec 29 by LittleEnglandJack |
I do apologise my friend. I don't want to appear part of the loony anti-vax crowd.
I can only speak from my experience. My biologist friend tells me that the eventual end game here has to be to end mandatory isolation and mass testing,,and I agree. I have had omicron as have others I know and it's been a 3 or 4 day cold. I know it can still have serious consequences for some but I personally believe shutting down society again can't be the answer for a disease of this magnitude. I would point to the flatlining if not decreasing mechanical ventilation bed numbers as evidence, but I am prepared to be persuaded otherwise. |
Nothing you say is incorrect there. Both epidemiology and early animal studies support omicron being less pathogenic. It is though, some way from the level of attenuation you would want.
It’s pretty much like highly transmissible flu, in that it is a risk to some. The best hope is the increased levels of immunity will protect against the next variant. Inevitably we will live without mass testing and continuous low levels of infection. The sooner the better of course, but we are not quite there yet. It seems that some get a ‘cold’ others more akin to ‘flu’ (like my brother in law at present). Of course the worry are the more susceptible and the sheer numbers of infection. | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 05:51 - Dec 30 with 1001 views | 73__73 |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:05 - Dec 29 by controversial_jack |
For patients to catch it in hospital it must already be there, brought in my patients with covid.
Does it really matter where they catch it. I can't see 183k ppl catching it in hospital every day. [Post edited 29 Dec 2021 23:09]
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What utter nonsense | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:01 - Dec 30 with 981 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 23:37 - Dec 29 by LittleEnglandJack |
I do apologise my friend. I don't want to appear part of the loony anti-vax crowd.
I can only speak from my experience. My biologist friend tells me that the eventual end game here has to be to end mandatory isolation and mass testing,,and I agree. I have had omicron as have others I know and it's been a 3 or 4 day cold. I know it can still have serious consequences for some but I personally believe shutting down society again can't be the answer for a disease of this magnitude. I would point to the flatlining if not decreasing mechanical ventilation bed numbers as evidence, but I am prepared to be persuaded otherwise. |
The ever optimistic Prof Paul Hunter, thinks we'll get to that point shortly after Easter. His opinion is usually on the positive side of the fence but that would be great.
The problem now seems to be a lack of staff in crucial services which can't be allowed happen. We're in a worse situation here in Wales as self isolation lasts 10 days versus 7 days in England, this has directly impacted by nephew who has very mild omicron symptoms but can't go to work over the border.
Surely the science that has lead to the cut to 7 days in England is the same as that in Wales and this can be changed? | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:04 - Dec 30 with 981 views | jojaca |
I have noticed around my circles people testing positive within a week of receiving the booster, neighbours, friends and work colleagues. I work in small group of ten people within a big business and two of that group had the boosters last week and now both off with Covid. The rest of the group have tested negative. |  |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:27 - Dec 30 with 959 views | RonaldStump |
Yes of course!! Getting jabbed has really stopped the spread of Omicron hasn't it!! The evidence is there for all to see | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:40 - Dec 30 with 956 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:27 - Dec 30 by RonaldStump |
Yes of course!! Getting jabbed has really stopped the spread of Omicron hasn't it!! The evidence is there for all to see |
Who said it would? | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:44 - Dec 30 with 952 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:04 - Dec 30 by jojaca |
I have noticed around my circles people testing positive within a week of receiving the booster, neighbours, friends and work colleagues. I work in small group of ten people within a big business and two of that group had the boosters last week and now both off with Covid. The rest of the group have tested negative. |
There's a very good chance that any benefit of the booster hadn't kicked in. My brother in law came down with it three days after his booster so was likely infected before or perhaps when he received his booster.
I said before I spent Christmas day sitting between two non boosted and subsequently infected people. My wife was holding their 3 month old and we're not infected yet.
I'm sure we will be by the spring though. | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:45 - Dec 30 with 952 views | RonaldStump |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:40 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
Who said it would? |
Wow !!
You really just posted that  | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:21 - Dec 30 with 941 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:45 - Dec 30 by RonaldStump |
Wow !!
You really just posted that |
So you can't answer the question then?
No surprise there.
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:31 - Dec 30 with 934 views | RonaldStump |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:21 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
So you can't answer the question then?
No surprise there.
غير ذكي |
The fact you have the gall to ask the question shows what a womble you really are. Maybe have a think about your response in future and give it a 10 second countdown before hitting add reply!
Happy New year | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:45 - Dec 30 with 930 views | Scotia |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:31 - Dec 30 by RonaldStump |
The fact you have the gall to ask the question shows what a womble you really are. Maybe have a think about your response in future and give it a 10 second countdown before hitting add reply!
Happy New year |
And still no answer. | | | |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:50 - Dec 30 with 925 views | RonaldStump |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 08:45 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
And still no answer. |
No flies on you today | |
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| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 09:43 - Dec 30 with 905 views | Professor |
| 183,000 cases and over 10,000 total hospitalisations recorded today on 07:01 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
The ever optimistic Prof Paul Hunter, thinks we'll get to that point shortly after Easter. His opinion is usually on the positive side of the fence but that would be great.
The problem now seems to be a lack of staff in crucial services which can't be allowed happen. We're in a worse situation here in Wales as self isolation lasts 10 days versus 7 days in England, this has directly impacted by nephew who has very mild omicron symptoms but can't go to work over the border.
Surely the science that has lead to the cut to 7 days in England is the same as that in Wales and this can be changed? |
I think he is a tad optimistic. It will happen,
But anyone putting a timeline on outcomes (beyond we are going to get a lot of cases in a short time) is being a bit naive. I’m surprised at his optimism having worked with him on Campylobacter in the past! | | | |
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