| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:43 - Oct 27 with 1079 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 19:44 - Oct 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Every single vaccine has the potential for some negative effects in a number of individuals. Every single one. Take small pox, one of the most horrible and prevalent diseases in the whole of human history. Completely eradicated now. Why? Vaccines.
Yet even that vaccine was considered to be quite dangerous if administered to pregnant women, old people or others with compromised immune systems (cancer sufferers etc.)
There is always a risk.
But with these things the overwhelming majority will be absolutely fine apart from a few mild symptoms as the immune system is stimulated. Even more rarely more serious complications may develop, but that is par for the course.
But then it’s highly unlikely that I am an expert.
May. |
Have you actually looked at the risks of the old established Vaccines compared to these mRNA ones? |  | |  |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:07 - Oct 27 with 1069 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:43 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
Have you actually looked at the risks of the old established Vaccines compared to these mRNA ones? |
Off we go again....
Many 'older' vaccines have much greater true risk. Only excess reporting due to anti-vaxxers/liars is skewing the data in VAERS.
The poster made comparison to smallpox. The risk around smallpox vaccines-encephalophy, myocarditis and simple reactions to the Vaccinia component were far greater. Around 1 in 1,000 series adverse events.
More ill informed nonsense | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:15 - Oct 27 with 1067 views | onehunglow |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:07 - Oct 27 by Professor |
Off we go again....
Many 'older' vaccines have much greater true risk. Only excess reporting due to anti-vaxxers/liars is skewing the data in VAERS.
The poster made comparison to smallpox. The risk around smallpox vaccines-encephalophy, myocarditis and simple reactions to the Vaccinia component were far greater. Around 1 in 1,000 series adverse events.
More ill informed nonsense |
Why?
Do they believe we are better off without a vaccine,Paul. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:17 - Oct 27 with 1058 views | RonaldStump |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:07 - Oct 27 by Professor |
Off we go again....
Many 'older' vaccines have much greater true risk. Only excess reporting due to anti-vaxxers/liars is skewing the data in VAERS.
The poster made comparison to smallpox. The risk around smallpox vaccines-encephalophy, myocarditis and simple reactions to the Vaccinia component were far greater. Around 1 in 1,000 series adverse events.
More ill informed nonsense |
Remember they said that Polio was said to be linked to the poison DDT? Coincidentally when DDT was removed cases of Polio disappeared, when they used it again the numbers increased. It's now banned, and they touted the jab as the cure. It wouldn't surprise me if glyphosates (round-up and lots of other pest controls poisons) are also causing all the health issues we see today. | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:39 - Oct 27 with 1061 views | controversial_jack |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:17 - Oct 27 by RonaldStump |
Remember they said that Polio was said to be linked to the poison DDT? Coincidentally when DDT was removed cases of Polio disappeared, when they used it again the numbers increased. It's now banned, and they touted the jab as the cure. It wouldn't surprise me if glyphosates (round-up and lots of other pest controls poisons) are also causing all the health issues we see today. |
You are correct. It wasn't Polio in may cases it was DDT poisoning. However, the vaccine was credited with eradicating polio when it didn't. Same with small pox, it didn't eradicate small pox , improved living conditions did. The recent outbreak of measles in Wales was used to promote the MMR vaccine, when in fact there was no measles outbreak as only a tiny amount of cases were actually proven to be measles.
The vaccine is a useful tool, but it isn't the answer by itself. Common sense and discipline will do more, but that's sadly lacking at the moment | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:48 - Oct 27 with 1052 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:39 - Oct 27 by controversial_jack |
You are correct. It wasn't Polio in may cases it was DDT poisoning. However, the vaccine was credited with eradicating polio when it didn't. Same with small pox, it didn't eradicate small pox , improved living conditions did. The recent outbreak of measles in Wales was used to promote the MMR vaccine, when in fact there was no measles outbreak as only a tiny amount of cases were actually proven to be measles.
The vaccine is a useful tool, but it isn't the answer by itself. Common sense and discipline will do more, but that's sadly lacking at the moment |
Vaccines ALWAYS need to be part of an overall strategy. Something the government fail to understand | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:51 - Oct 27 with 1052 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 10:43 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
Have you actually looked at the risks of the old established Vaccines compared to these mRNA ones? |
Yes. Yes I have. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:00 - Oct 27 with 1038 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:07 - Oct 27 by Professor |
Off we go again....
Many 'older' vaccines have much greater true risk. Only excess reporting due to anti-vaxxers/liars is skewing the data in VAERS.
The poster made comparison to smallpox. The risk around smallpox vaccines-encephalophy, myocarditis and simple reactions to the Vaccinia component were far greater. Around 1 in 1,000 series adverse events.
More ill informed nonsense |
"Only excess reporting due to anti-vaxxers/liars is skewing the data in VAERS.
Prove it. | | | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:03 - Oct 27 with 1045 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 02:21 - Oct 27 by RonaldStump |
Thousands of deaths, thousands of adverse reactions.
majority of people coerced into taking the shot with promises of having there freedoms back.Others coerced by being told they will lose their jobs if they don't become part of the experiment.
Absolutely stinks and only subservient brainwashed nutters will not see through the lies.
try expanding your brain and look at the bigger picture here.
It's not rocket science, you're being told.
oh and by the way ...it's NOT a vaccine [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 2:22]
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Thousands of adverse reactions in countless millions is absolutely normal. There is always risk to pretty much anything including the risk of death rarely. Even something basic and everyday as a simple paracetamol tablet has killed thousands as rare side effects can include allergic reactions, hypotension etc.
The political decisions around the jabs, the demonisation of those who choose not to take it and the two tier system these idiots have created I would agree with you, they have behaved awfully. If someone chooses not to have the jab that’s their prerogative and they shouldn’t be penalised for that choice. But ultimately those political decisions are utterly irrelevant to this discussion.
It’s not rocket science. I agree. It’s microbiology.
And it is a vaccine. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:14 - Oct 27 with 1033 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:03 - Oct 27 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Thousands of adverse reactions in countless millions is absolutely normal. There is always risk to pretty much anything including the risk of death rarely. Even something basic and everyday as a simple paracetamol tablet has killed thousands as rare side effects can include allergic reactions, hypotension etc.
The political decisions around the jabs, the demonisation of those who choose not to take it and the two tier system these idiots have created I would agree with you, they have behaved awfully. If someone chooses not to have the jab that’s their prerogative and they shouldn’t be penalised for that choice. But ultimately those political decisions are utterly irrelevant to this discussion.
It’s not rocket science. I agree. It’s microbiology.
And it is a vaccine. |
"Thousands of adverse reactions in countless millions is absolutely normal."
No it is not, you said you looked at old data, then you would know that adverse events, especially deaths were far lower in the USA data.
Flu was give in the millions every year in the USA, just compare it to COVID data.
The Swine Flu Vaccine programme was halted after 26 deaths.
By the way it is not Thousands of adverse events it is hundreds of thousands, both in the US and the EU.
The EU data for each Vaccine can be found in the links here.
https://alethonews.com/2021/08/02/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-repo [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 12:16]
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:33 - Oct 27 with 1002 views | felixstowe_jack |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:14 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Thousands of adverse reactions in countless millions is absolutely normal."
No it is not, you said you looked at old data, then you would know that adverse events, especially deaths were far lower in the USA data.
Flu was give in the millions every year in the USA, just compare it to COVID data.
The Swine Flu Vaccine programme was halted after 26 deaths.
By the way it is not Thousands of adverse events it is hundreds of thousands, both in the US and the EU.
The EU data for each Vaccine can be found in the links here.
https://alethonews.com/2021/08/02/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-repo [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 12:16]
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More anti vaxers propaganda.
The ONS estimates the vaccine rollout has saved 280,000 hospitalisation and 120,000 deaths | |
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:41 - Oct 27 with 989 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:33 - Oct 27 by felixstowe_jack |
More anti vaxers propaganda.
The ONS estimates the vaccine rollout has saved 280,000 hospitalisation and 120,000 deaths |
"Vaxer's propaganda".
So now the EU's version of our "Yellow Card" and the US "VAERS" system is an anti-vax organisation.
Who new?
Do you even understand the difference between "estimates" and actual real life data?
Obviously not. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:19 - Oct 27 with 984 views | Jack123 |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 15:33 - Oct 27 by felixstowe_jack |
More anti vaxers propaganda.
The ONS estimates the vaccine rollout has saved 280,000 hospitalisation and 120,000 deaths |
I would love to know how the ONS have come up with that figure! From what I can see, the vax rollout is far from a success, already murmurings of indoor household mixing restricted.
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| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:22 - Oct 27 with 981 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:00 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Only excess reporting due to anti-vaxxers/liars is skewing the data in VAERS.
Prove it. |
You can't prove otherwise. Can you? | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:41 - Oct 27 with 965 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:22 - Oct 27 by Professor |
You can't prove otherwise. Can you? |
You are the one making the statement, not me, it is therefore up to you to back it up with facts.
Which we both know you can't do. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:02 - Oct 27 with 963 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 12:14 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Thousands of adverse reactions in countless millions is absolutely normal."
No it is not, you said you looked at old data, then you would know that adverse events, especially deaths were far lower in the USA data.
Flu was give in the millions every year in the USA, just compare it to COVID data.
The Swine Flu Vaccine programme was halted after 26 deaths.
By the way it is not Thousands of adverse events it is hundreds of thousands, both in the US and the EU.
The EU data for each Vaccine can be found in the links here.
https://alethonews.com/2021/08/02/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-repo [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 12:16]
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Of course it’s normal. They are up front about this. They even give you a little booklet which tells you what could potentially happen. This is not some super villain movie where the evil nurses and doctors are joyfully injecting people Willy nilly whilst cackling manically. They literally tell you that these adverse reactions might happen. Hence it’s normal. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:07 - Oct 27 with 960 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 16:41 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
You are the one making the statement, not me, it is therefore up to you to back it up with facts.
Which we both know you can't do. |
It's what is being said anecdotally. But since you don't know any real scientists then you would and could not know.
The actual data do show excellent safety records for all the vaccines being used.
That is clear.
And as Felix says there would be at least 120,000 people dead without the vaccines. And don't tell me otherwise, as there is no evidence you can show (not from India or anyway) that is verifiable there is a workable alternative.
So give it a rest. Why not said up a board with Stump, so you can agree to your heart's content and let everyone else get on with life in the real world.
Or do you expect to see Bill Gates riding a flying saucer over Townhill. Because that is the level of most of the tosh you two post. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:07 - Oct 27 with 955 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:02 - Oct 27 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Of course it’s normal. They are up front about this. They even give you a little booklet which tells you what could potentially happen. This is not some super villain movie where the evil nurses and doctors are joyfully injecting people Willy nilly whilst cackling manically. They literally tell you that these adverse reactions might happen. Hence it’s normal. |
So this is normal to you?
OK. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:09 - Oct 27 with 953 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:07 - Oct 27 by Professor |
It's what is being said anecdotally. But since you don't know any real scientists then you would and could not know.
The actual data do show excellent safety records for all the vaccines being used.
That is clear.
And as Felix says there would be at least 120,000 people dead without the vaccines. And don't tell me otherwise, as there is no evidence you can show (not from India or anyway) that is verifiable there is a workable alternative.
So give it a rest. Why not said up a board with Stump, so you can agree to your heart's content and let everyone else get on with life in the real world.
Or do you expect to see Bill Gates riding a flying saucer over Townhill. Because that is the level of most of the tosh you two post. |
So, you admit that you can't back up your statement.
OK. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:15 - Oct 27 with 945 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:07 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
So this is normal to you?
OK. |
NO CONTEXT
Papers, not blogs please
You never present real evidence.
Admitted yet that the myocarditis data was wrong?
Or that this was mild and transient? | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:18 - Oct 27 with 943 views | Professor |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 11:15 - Oct 27 by onehunglow |
Why?
Do they believe we are better off without a vaccine,Paul. |
If I say what I think about the recent posts Rich, then Keith would have to ban me.
I'm back in the lab now and not in the mood for the absolute nonsense coming from a small number of people,
Perhaps in their retirement cycling or a musical instrument would be better. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:30 - Oct 27 with 938 views | Gwyn737 |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:07 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
So this is normal to you?
OK. |
Couple of questions on this data.
1) Is there any clinical confirmation behind VAERS self-reporting?
2) Are there any ways that self-reporting outdoor be open to abuse?
My impression is that it’s no more robust than a Twitter poll. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:53 - Oct 27 with 934 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:07 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad |
So this is normal to you?
OK. |
47 in a million chance of death is ridiculously small. So yes it does look completely normal. As I said, there is always a risk with anything and they make it clear that bad stuff might happen beforehand. Literally nobody has ever said that this vaccine won’t have any side effects whatsoever. They’ve made it clear from day one that some individuals may experience mild illness, others might get headaches, and in rare occurrences some individuals may develop a blood clot, some may die. They are not hiding this from us. It’s on the leaflet. They tell you if you get side effects report it straight away. This is not some Machiavellian scheme. Most people are demonstrably fine. | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:57 - Oct 27 with 930 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:30 - Oct 27 by Gwyn737 |
Couple of questions on this data.
1) Is there any clinical confirmation behind VAERS self-reporting?
2) Are there any ways that self-reporting outdoor be open to abuse?
My impression is that it’s no more robust than a Twitter poll. |
It is the same reporting system that has been in place for decades.
The results in the past were never questioned as being too high, in fact they were estimated (a Prof word) to be between 10 and 100 times too low due to how the system operated.
The CDC listed these adverse effects before the Vaccines were used, many doctors and scientists also predicted that the design of the Vaccines would have a problem with more adverse effects.
But of course they could be open to abuse, but why weren't they in the past?
Who is going to sit down at their computers and generate a couple of million adverse effects without someone noticing that they are coming from the same IP addresses? | | | |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:59 - Oct 27 with 929 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| If you have any doubts about vaccination…. on 17:53 - Oct 27 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
47 in a million chance of death is ridiculously small. So yes it does look completely normal. As I said, there is always a risk with anything and they make it clear that bad stuff might happen beforehand. Literally nobody has ever said that this vaccine won’t have any side effects whatsoever. They’ve made it clear from day one that some individuals may experience mild illness, others might get headaches, and in rare occurrences some individuals may develop a blood clot, some may die. They are not hiding this from us. It’s on the leaflet. They tell you if you get side effects report it straight away. This is not some Machiavellian scheme. Most people are demonstrably fine. |
Sorry, perhaps I should explain the data for you.
The 47x is not 47/million.
it is 47 times as many as the Flu Vaccines caused | | | |
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