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Two time English Champions, FA Cup winners,EFL & Hampshire Cup winners, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Div winners, best supported team in the Universe outnumbered by Little West Brom? Surely this can't be true? (Little Pompey managed 5000 for one game that season, so maybe)
BerkshireBoy100 4 years ago Great day. 10,000+ Albion fans in a 17,000 crowd.
Michael Ottley 3 months ago Everyone had to pay £10 cash on the day. Took the ground staff by surprise and they had to move the Portsmouth fans from their usual area as Baggies fans kept arriving!
Graham Chambers 2 years ago (edited) I remember it well I drove a hired furniture van with about 6 of my mates in the back plus a wolves fan [ who all the way there was saying you lot are f......g mad ha ha took about 7 hours to get there van would only go at 65 mile ph worth it though great day we took about 11 thousand I think that day boing boing
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The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 00:27 - Apr 10 with 8852 views
The harsh reality for them is that traditionally it's always taken outsiders/neutrals to help them fill their ground. Highest capacity around 59,000, only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k in their greatest era. Most had disappeared a couple of years after that brief fling with success.
And, as we all know the difference between myth and truth, that was only because they let in thousands of servicemen based in the area for free and as our Saints-supporting grandads used to tell us, loads used to travel down unchallenged to fratton for a chance to see those famous names of the visiting teams they'd only ever read about in the papers.
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The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 09:57 - Apr 10 with 8677 views
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 09:14 - Apr 10 by Mushty
The harsh reality for them is that traditionally it's always taken outsiders/neutrals to help them fill their ground. Highest capacity around 59,000, only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k in their greatest era. Most had disappeared a couple of years after that brief fling with success.
And, as we all know the difference between myth and truth, that was only because they let in thousands of servicemen based in the area for free and as our Saints-supporting grandads used to tell us, loads used to travel down unchallenged to fratton for a chance to see those famous names of the visiting teams they'd only ever read about in the papers.
59,000 is a bit of a stretch I think, record crowd 51,385 v Derby in an FA Cup game where Derby took their 25% allocation 12,500 , nearly as many as the Baggies
Never ever filled it, or got 50,000+ for a League game, even when they won the League. 14,000 under capacity average both seasons when champions
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The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 10:52 - Apr 10 with 8627 views
Little Pompey had 7, 869 for the home game before that v Leicester and they'd have brought a few fans down so that supports the West Brom fans' claim that they filled most of Fratton with away fans:
The only way you could really support any claims for away support was to compare the total gate with the team's other home gates that season, as there was no official count of away fans in those days - that's a relatively new thing - which is why Maria's claim of a precise number of Saints fans at Bolton from a game in the mid-90s is ridiculous.
In fact, I remember when a Pompey fan started that rumour on a pompey fans message board. He claimed a friend of a friend had told him and then it became another portsmyth, like the dock strike myth which was also started around that time.. Complete and utter bollocks, of course, which just goes to show they lie about our attendances as well as their own.
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 10:52 - Apr 10 by dirk_doone
Little Pompey had 7, 869 for the home game before that v Leicester and they'd have brought a few fans down so that supports the West Brom fans' claim that they filled most of Fratton with away fans:
The only way you could really support any claims for away support was to compare the total gate with the team's other home gates that season, as there was no official count of away fans in those days - that's a relatively new thing - which is why Maria's claim of a precise number of Saints fans at Bolton from a game in the mid-90s is ridiculous.
In fact, I remember when a Pompey fan started that rumour on a pompey fans message board. He claimed a friend of a friend had told him and then it became another portsmyth, like the dock strike myth which was also started around that time.. Complete and utter bollocks, of course, which just goes to show they lie about our attendances as well as their own.
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Michael Ottley 3 months ago Everyone had to pay £10 cash on the day. Took the ground staff by surprise and they had to move the Portsmouth fans from their usual area as Baggies fans kept arriving!
Could only happen at a BIG club
What's amazing is the 15.000 they took to Liverpool , was about their average home crowd and 50% up on their lowest that season. Incredible really.
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The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 11:55 - Apr 10 with 8563 views
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 11:36 - Apr 10 by hedgeend61
Michael Ottley 3 months ago Everyone had to pay £10 cash on the day. Took the ground staff by surprise and they had to move the Portsmouth fans from their usual area as Baggies fans kept arriving!
Could only happen at a BIG club
What's amazing is the 15.000 they took to Liverpool , was about their average home crowd and 50% up on their lowest that season. Incredible really.
What's even more amazing is this:
30 Jan 1981 Liverpool v Portsmouth attendance: 32,201
28 Feb 1981 Liverpool v Southampton attendance: 41,575
So, 4 weeks later we must have taken nearly 10,000 away fans there more than they did.
Of course, there were no away attendance figures in those days so people can claim anything they like and the number pompey claim to have taken in that small crowd has continued to grow by thousands over the last 4 decades and I'm sure it will grow by even more over the next 4..
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 09:57 - Apr 10 by hedgeend61
59,000 is a bit of a stretch I think, record crowd 51,385 v Derby in an FA Cup game where Derby took their 25% allocation 12,500 , nearly as many as the Baggies
Never ever filled it, or got 50,000+ for a League game, even when they won the League. 14,000 under capacity average both seasons when champions
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 13:18 - Apr 11 by hedgeend61
Interesting, I never knew that.
So they never ever filled it, rarely half filled it, got within 6500 of capacity and averaged 21,000 short of capacity even when they won the League.
Impressive
Even when they were reigning, back-to-back champions, Fratton Park was often more than half-empty, with gates of 21,000 for top flight games, as the number of sailors stationed in Portsmouth had started to decline.
Away fans taking the Fratton End used to be quite a regular occurrence in the 60s. I remember being in the middle of the Fratton End with Dougal's mob in 1966, when we beat them 5-2.
The commentator says "Those are the fans who've come all the way from Wolverhampton" as the camera shows the Wolves fans with their banners at the back of the Fratton End and then invading the pitch to celebrate their win.
Start at 33:00, when the match begins to get exciting.
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 09:14 - Apr 10 by Mushty
The harsh reality for them is that traditionally it's always taken outsiders/neutrals to help them fill their ground. Highest capacity around 59,000, only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k in their greatest era. Most had disappeared a couple of years after that brief fling with success.
And, as we all know the difference between myth and truth, that was only because they let in thousands of servicemen based in the area for free and as our Saints-supporting grandads used to tell us, loads used to travel down unchallenged to fratton for a chance to see those famous names of the visiting teams they'd only ever read about in the papers.
"only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k "
One of the funniest things I have ever seen on this forum
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 11:17 - Jun 4 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup
"only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k "
One of the funniest things I have ever seen on this forum
Mushty wrote'
"The harsh reality for them is that traditionally it's always taken outsiders/neutrals to help them fill their ground. Highest capacity around 59,000, only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k in their greatest era. Most had disappeared a couple of years after that brief fling with success".
Meaning, Pompey only ever got 2 crowds (I can only find one cup game) a shade over 50k at Fratton Park, not Wembley, OT, Highbury,etc.
So was Fratton capacity 59,000? So Pompey never had a League attendance of over 50k? Or got within 10k of ever filling it?, even in title winning years.
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 17:45 - Jun 4 by hedgeend61
Mushty wrote'
"The harsh reality for them is that traditionally it's always taken outsiders/neutrals to help them fill their ground. Highest capacity around 59,000, only ever got 2 crowds a shade over 50k in their greatest era. Most had disappeared a couple of years after that brief fling with success".
Meaning, Pompey only ever got 2 crowds (I can only find one cup game) a shade over 50k at Fratton Park, not Wembley, OT, Highbury,etc.
So was Fratton capacity 59,000? So Pompey never had a League attendance of over 50k? Or got within 10k of ever filling it?, even in title winning years.
How were old capacities defined? Have you thought about this?
And, I’ve told you before about certain clubs undercounting attendances. Pompey’s owners, like many club owners would have been able to garner extra revenue, tax free by simply under-counting their attendances. It’s not hard to understand.
Yes. And there was an ‘official’ league attendance over 50k, but as explained above, there almost certainly would have been a number of attendances over 50k.
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 18:40 - Jun 4 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup
How were old capacities defined? Have you thought about this?
And, I’ve told you before about certain clubs undercounting attendances. Pompey’s owners, like many club owners would have been able to garner extra revenue, tax free by simply under-counting their attendances. It’s not hard to understand.
Yes. And there was an ‘official’ league attendance over 50k, but as explained above, there almost certainly would have been a number of attendances over 50k.
Which league game was officially over 50k?
Seen 49,831 in 1950, can't see any bigger though.
I've no idea what the official capacity was, just going on what Mushty said, wouldn't have thought he'd have plucked it out of thin air.
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The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 19:24 - Jun 4 with 7433 views
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 18:51 - Jun 4 by hedgeend61
Which league game was officially over 50k?
Seen 49,831 in 1950, can't see any bigger though.
I've no idea what the official capacity was, just going on what Mushty said, wouldn't have thought he'd have plucked it out of thin air.
Can't remember, but think about this logically, the North Stand had seating put in at the top tier in 1951, therefore this action alone would have reduced capacity by several thousand, therefore the imagined 58,000 capacity would have been reduced to about 50,000 at that point. Therefore as soon as Pompey had become double champions, the capacity was vastly reduced.
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 19:24 - Jun 4 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup
Can't remember, but think about this logically, the North Stand had seating put in at the top tier in 1951, therefore this action alone would have reduced capacity by several thousand, therefore the imagined 58,000 capacity would have been reduced to about 50,000 at that point. Therefore as soon as Pompey had become double champions, the capacity was vastly reduced.
You would have thought seats would have vastly reduced capacity by many thousands, not 2,901
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Not sure what those figures mean, is that a summation of the season?
Never happened, LOL, You lot are so obsessed with attendances. It was the Wolves league game near then end of 49 with 50,248 attending. As stated, the seats were only put in at the top tier, so the attendance would have been curtailed to around 50k officially. ie reduced by 8k or so.
Fooking hell, the self-righteous, super tedious pfc onanist is back. Why can’t we get a more rationale debate on here with a skate? By the way, does anyone know if that pompey fan who took a serious beating off the Turks when England played there ever fully recovered? It was a sad case and many on here chipped in for him.
The Day West Brom fans outnumber Little Portsmouth's at Fratton Park in 1994 on 12:06 - Jun 5 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup
Not sure what those figures mean, is that a summation of the season?
Never happened, LOL, You lot are so obsessed with attendances. It was the Wolves league game near then end of 49 with 50,248 attending. As stated, the seats were only put in at the top tier, so the attendance would have been curtailed to around 50k officially. ie reduced by 8k or so.
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Two time English Champions, FA Cup winners,EFL & Hampshire Cup winners, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Div winners, best supported team in the Universe outnumbered by Little West Brom? 
, was about their average home crowd and 50% up on their lowest that season. Incredible really. 
