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It seems to me that Brexit sounds the final bell for the 'Left wing' in this country.
They have deserted their principles, deserted their voters, deserted democracy, deserted the real world (evident in Parliament right now as they prefer to exist in their bubble, enjoying the platform and the sound of their own voices...pretending they haven't got to face the public)
My questions for you to discuss; Will the Labour Party be destroyed at the coming election? Will they continue to be the opposition? When are we likely to see a left-wing government in this country again?
This fella seems to have summed it up as well as anyone...
The Death of the 'Left' on 18:42 - Sep 27 by A_Fans_Dad
Wow what a rant, of course the UK did really well under Blair & Brown didn't we? They virtually killed the NHS and Schools with their PFI initiative. To say nothing of flogging our Gold, Brown sold of public assets to raise £16Billion. Then there was that little illegal war that Balir got us in to, for which he should have faced a War Crimes tribunal.
I was no New Labour fan, but society (us) and our services were generally doing better than over the last 10 years. You’re on rocky ground trying to score points with PFI, seeing the Tories brought it in and Osborne relied heavily on it to try and massage the deficit figures (as did Brown, heavily).
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The Death of the 'Left' on 23:08 - Sep 27 with 1171 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 06:58 - Sep 27 by Jack_Meoff
Nearly ten years of these c*nts. Nearly ten years of these bastards killing off vulnerable people with their policies. Ten years of them selling off every possible public asset they possibly can. We've gotten to a point (for example) where the public, having paid for 'our' railway infrastructure, now pay sky high prices that benefit the treasuries of other countries. Not even Thatcher would have privatised the 'Queen's Head' either. Cameron had no such qualms.
Ten years of deliberate underfunding of the NHS after introducing private firms via the Health and Social Care Act 2012 - voted on by many with vested interests in private healthcare companies.
Ten years of the academisation of education (in England, at least); essentially just yet another way of funnelling public money into private hands.
We've also seen the Lib Dem lickspittles enabling them; being complicit in trebling tuition fees despite them pledging not to. Hope it was worth it Nick, five years of Mephistophelian power. (I'm not sure if that's a word, it's early.)
Let's not forget the wrecking ball they've taken to the justice system in this country either. Read 'The Secret Barrister' if you want the whole sorry saga.
And there's Brexit. People actually think that a man who used to belong to a club whose initiation ceremony involved burning £50 notes in front of the homeless is somehow being denied 'the will of the people.' What part of 'he's representing currency speculators' is tricky to grasp? A bought and paid for whore to finance, suckling on the teat of Mammon like most soulless Tories are wont.
Then we get people who, after nearly ten years are pointing the finger at other parties; parties that have not been in power during that time. F*ck off. And when you get there, f*ck off some more.
The whole left/right paradigm is essentially moribund these days anyway, surely? Just more divide and conquer bullshit. What do the Tories actually have to do with small 'c' conservatism? Absolutely nothing. Whores to finance - always have been, always will be. If the veil hasn't lifted at the present time it's clear it never will.
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It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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The Death of the 'Left' on 23:31 - Sep 27 with 1150 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 06:58 - Sep 27 by Jack_Meoff
Nearly ten years of these c*nts. Nearly ten years of these bastards killing off vulnerable people with their policies. Ten years of them selling off every possible public asset they possibly can. We've gotten to a point (for example) where the public, having paid for 'our' railway infrastructure, now pay sky high prices that benefit the treasuries of other countries. Not even Thatcher would have privatised the 'Queen's Head' either. Cameron had no such qualms.
Ten years of deliberate underfunding of the NHS after introducing private firms via the Health and Social Care Act 2012 - voted on by many with vested interests in private healthcare companies.
Ten years of the academisation of education (in England, at least); essentially just yet another way of funnelling public money into private hands.
We've also seen the Lib Dem lickspittles enabling them; being complicit in trebling tuition fees despite them pledging not to. Hope it was worth it Nick, five years of Mephistophelian power. (I'm not sure if that's a word, it's early.)
Let's not forget the wrecking ball they've taken to the justice system in this country either. Read 'The Secret Barrister' if you want the whole sorry saga.
And there's Brexit. People actually think that a man who used to belong to a club whose initiation ceremony involved burning £50 notes in front of the homeless is somehow being denied 'the will of the people.' What part of 'he's representing currency speculators' is tricky to grasp? A bought and paid for whore to finance, suckling on the teat of Mammon like most soulless Tories are wont.
Then we get people who, after nearly ten years are pointing the finger at other parties; parties that have not been in power during that time. F*ck off. And when you get there, f*ck off some more.
The whole left/right paradigm is essentially moribund these days anyway, surely? Just more divide and conquer bullshit. What do the Tories actually have to do with small 'c' conservatism? Absolutely nothing. Whores to finance - always have been, always will be. If the veil hasn't lifted at the present time it's clear it never will.
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Post of the year ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘👠f*ckofftories
The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though
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The Death of the 'Left' on 00:21 - Sep 28 with 1116 views
As far as I am concerned all Welsh Tories (that have remained in their sad party after what has happened recently) can feck off and live in England. If they actually get what they wish, Scotland will decide to leave the UK, Wales will be pretty close to following them, and Northern Ireland will be a battlefield. Cummings is an absolute cant.
The Death of the 'Left' on 00:21 - Sep 28 by BrynCartwright
A Tory in Wales is like an outcrop of Japanese Knot Weed. Difficult to eradicate but after a lot of work it's fecked
Tell me about it, I come under the Vale og Glamorgan and we have a Tory MP, unbelieveable, how the loving f uck can people in this part of the world vote as such
The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though
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The Death of the 'Left' on 09:22 - Sep 28 with 1041 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 06:58 - Sep 27 by Jack_Meoff
Nearly ten years of these c*nts. Nearly ten years of these bastards killing off vulnerable people with their policies. Ten years of them selling off every possible public asset they possibly can. We've gotten to a point (for example) where the public, having paid for 'our' railway infrastructure, now pay sky high prices that benefit the treasuries of other countries. Not even Thatcher would have privatised the 'Queen's Head' either. Cameron had no such qualms.
Ten years of deliberate underfunding of the NHS after introducing private firms via the Health and Social Care Act 2012 - voted on by many with vested interests in private healthcare companies.
Ten years of the academisation of education (in England, at least); essentially just yet another way of funnelling public money into private hands.
We've also seen the Lib Dem lickspittles enabling them; being complicit in trebling tuition fees despite them pledging not to. Hope it was worth it Nick, five years of Mephistophelian power. (I'm not sure if that's a word, it's early.)
Let's not forget the wrecking ball they've taken to the justice system in this country either. Read 'The Secret Barrister' if you want the whole sorry saga.
And there's Brexit. People actually think that a man who used to belong to a club whose initiation ceremony involved burning £50 notes in front of the homeless is somehow being denied 'the will of the people.' What part of 'he's representing currency speculators' is tricky to grasp? A bought and paid for whore to finance, suckling on the teat of Mammon like most soulless Tories are wont.
Then we get people who, after nearly ten years are pointing the finger at other parties; parties that have not been in power during that time. F*ck off. And when you get there, f*ck off some more.
The whole left/right paradigm is essentially moribund these days anyway, surely? Just more divide and conquer bullshit. What do the Tories actually have to do with small 'c' conservatism? Absolutely nothing. Whores to finance - always have been, always will be. If the veil hasn't lifted at the present time it's clear it never will.
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Outstanding post.
But what should we do about these far right English nationalists ?
IndyWales is needed. Now.
Beware of the Risen People
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The Death of the 'Left' on 09:24 - Sep 28 with 1039 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 18:42 - Sep 27 by A_Fans_Dad
Wow what a rant, of course the UK did really well under Blair & Brown didn't we? They virtually killed the NHS and Schools with their PFI initiative. To say nothing of flogging our Gold, Brown sold of public assets to raise £16Billion. Then there was that little illegal war that Balir got us in to, for which he should have faced a War Crimes tribunal.
Blair and Brown were as left as Margaret Thatcher. Sorry, Maggie was further left, my mistake.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
The Death of the 'Left' on 17:27 - Sep 27 by AnotherJohn
We have indeed gone through difficult times. On the Left some things have stayed the same, some have changed. Yet to my eye there was more integrity in the old order. People like Jack don’t seem to me to know their own history.
Three political Giants of the Labour movement and all completely correct. I used to be brainwashed into thinking Benn was a communist until I actually started listening to him. We've lost a great man and a true political genius there.
Corbyn, instead of keeping his nerve and committing to leaving the EU (after obviously negotiating for a good deal with the threat of no deal on the table) has blinked under pressure from the PLP.
This isn't going to end well for him or the party at the polls.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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The Death of the 'Left' on 10:40 - Sep 28 with 1002 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 09:30 - Sep 28 by Brynmill_Jack
Three political Giants of the Labour movement and all completely correct. I used to be brainwashed into thinking Benn was a communist until I actually started listening to him. We've lost a great man and a true political genius there.
Corbyn, instead of keeping his nerve and committing to leaving the EU (after obviously negotiating for a good deal with the threat of no deal on the table) has blinked under pressure from the PLP.
This isn't going to end well for him or the party at the polls.
I'm not sure about that I can see the remain vote Going to the parties that give them the best chance of staying in over normal party allegiances I can see a labour lib dems coalition giving a second referendum assuming boris hasn't crashed us out. I would prefer Corbyn whom I dislike and remain than the buffoon. Like a lot of people I have spoken to voted leave now the situation is clear of the bull shyte I would vote remain as I firmly believe the country would
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The Death of the 'Left' on 10:46 - Sep 28 with 997 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 09:30 - Sep 28 by Brynmill_Jack
Three political Giants of the Labour movement and all completely correct. I used to be brainwashed into thinking Benn was a communist until I actually started listening to him. We've lost a great man and a true political genius there.
Corbyn, instead of keeping his nerve and committing to leaving the EU (after obviously negotiating for a good deal with the threat of no deal on the table) has blinked under pressure from the PLP.
This isn't going to end well for him or the party at the polls.
Magnificent speech from Peter Shore wasn't it.
Tony Benn was superb also, I am sure he would have been thoroughly ashamed of the actions of his spineless son.
The Death of the 'Left' on 10:46 - Sep 28 by Kerouac
Magnificent speech from Peter Shore wasn't it.
Tony Benn was superb also, I am sure he would have been thoroughly ashamed of the actions of his spineless son.
How many of our current crop could speak like that these days? Especially without notes and an army of aides, PR gurus and advisors frantically gesticulating to them from behind the camera.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
The Death of the 'Left' on 10:56 - Sep 28 by Highjack
How many of our current crop could speak like that these days? Especially without notes and an army of aides, PR gurus and advisors frantically gesticulating to them from behind the camera.
Part of the reasons for that lie in our membership of the European Union (in my opinion). Our politicians have become homogenised. They are all painfully aware of the limited options available to the British government whilst constrained by European law and over the years this has led to a 'can't be arsed' culture.
The only thing they get genuinely passionate about on the left these days is identity politics.
Do you remember Jeremy Corbyn's rise to become Labour leader? He, and his team, were putting forward policy ideas that a Labour government would not be able to implement whilst UK was in the EU. These ideas were popular and helped him win with Labour Party members. The PLP however were never on board with Jezza. Join the dots.
The Death of the 'Left' on 17:27 - Sep 27 by AnotherJohn
We have indeed gone through difficult times. On the Left some things have stayed the same, some have changed. Yet to my eye there was more integrity in the old order. People like Jack don’t seem to me to know their own history.
My post/rant only briefly touched on Europe though. There's another thread for that isn't there?
It was more frustration about the fact that whatever the Tories have done over the last ten years, the OP is probably right, depressingly. They'll continue to take their wrecking ball to the country with the blessing of the public. Although Brexit of course has and is overshadowing everything and has divided the country even further.
Like I said though - in what way are they right wing as in small 'c' conservative? When did 'spiteful, criminal ideologue' become an euphemism for 'right wing?' It seems they're using this terminology as an excuse to do whatever they like.
Speaking of history, I re-read 'The Road to Wigan Pier' earlier this year. One of the things that struck me was that it could have almost, in some respects, been written today. Exactly the same arguments and bickering about the left/right paradigm you see on this board would have occurred in the taverns etc of the day. It's almost like those who control us have been doing it for a while, and they're bloody good at it, aren't they!
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.
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The Death of the 'Left' on 11:55 - Sep 28 with 933 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 11:23 - Sep 28 by Jack_Meoff
My post/rant only briefly touched on Europe though. There's another thread for that isn't there?
It was more frustration about the fact that whatever the Tories have done over the last ten years, the OP is probably right, depressingly. They'll continue to take their wrecking ball to the country with the blessing of the public. Although Brexit of course has and is overshadowing everything and has divided the country even further.
Like I said though - in what way are they right wing as in small 'c' conservative? When did 'spiteful, criminal ideologue' become an euphemism for 'right wing?' It seems they're using this terminology as an excuse to do whatever they like.
Speaking of history, I re-read 'The Road to Wigan Pier' earlier this year. One of the things that struck me was that it could have almost, in some respects, been written today. Exactly the same arguments and bickering about the left/right paradigm you see on this board would have occurred in the taverns etc of the day. It's almost like those who control us have been doing it for a while, and they're bloody good at it, aren't they!
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What is the thread about? Well it seemed to me that the OP was saying that Brexit poses a threat to a modern Left that has become detached from its traditional voters and Labour Party history, and so I wanted to recall that history. My take is that if Brexit damages the modern Left that would be largely self-inflicted, and connected to the emergence of a new orthodoxy that appeals to middle-class supporters in southern cities who are more interested in identity politics than the old class-based issues of economics, income equality and opportunity. There was quite a lot in your post I agree with, What I wrote was more a reaction to the recent treatment of Left Leave and others who dissent from this new orthodoxy. Personally I am attracted to the now reviled policies of 'Blue Labour', whose commentators seem to me to have correctly identified what Labour has done to alienate its traditional base.
Anyway soon time for the important thing .. the match.
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The Death of the 'Left' on 12:08 - Sep 28 with 916 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 11:55 - Sep 28 by AnotherJohn
What is the thread about? Well it seemed to me that the OP was saying that Brexit poses a threat to a modern Left that has become detached from its traditional voters and Labour Party history, and so I wanted to recall that history. My take is that if Brexit damages the modern Left that would be largely self-inflicted, and connected to the emergence of a new orthodoxy that appeals to middle-class supporters in southern cities who are more interested in identity politics than the old class-based issues of economics, income equality and opportunity. There was quite a lot in your post I agree with, What I wrote was more a reaction to the recent treatment of Left Leave and others who dissent from this new orthodoxy. Personally I am attracted to the now reviled policies of 'Blue Labour', whose commentators seem to me to have correctly identified what Labour has done to alienate its traditional base.
Anyway soon time for the important thing .. the match.
Quite.
I had considered that I might call the thread 'The Deaf of the Left', amounts to the same thing really.
The Death of the 'Left' on 11:23 - Sep 28 by Jack_Meoff
My post/rant only briefly touched on Europe though. There's another thread for that isn't there?
It was more frustration about the fact that whatever the Tories have done over the last ten years, the OP is probably right, depressingly. They'll continue to take their wrecking ball to the country with the blessing of the public. Although Brexit of course has and is overshadowing everything and has divided the country even further.
Like I said though - in what way are they right wing as in small 'c' conservative? When did 'spiteful, criminal ideologue' become an euphemism for 'right wing?' It seems they're using this terminology as an excuse to do whatever they like.
Speaking of history, I re-read 'The Road to Wigan Pier' earlier this year. One of the things that struck me was that it could have almost, in some respects, been written today. Exactly the same arguments and bickering about the left/right paradigm you see on this board would have occurred in the taverns etc of the day. It's almost like those who control us have been doing it for a while, and they're bloody good at it, aren't they!
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I’ve watched you over the last eighteen months to two years through your reading, and by increment, turn into me.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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The Death of the 'Left' on 12:44 - Sep 28 with 882 views
The Tories became New Labour a number of years ago so the left are already in control. The Left’s revolution has been delivered, destruction of the family unit, Introduction of the European Arrest warrant which totally undermines Habeous Corpus. Mass immigration which has changed traditional social conservatism of the UK population. London is now totally Labour (ie the Communists).
The left has won.
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The Death of the 'Left' on 17:23 - Sep 28 with 823 views
The Death of the 'Left' on 22:18 - Sep 27 by LeonWasGod
I was no New Labour fan, but society (us) and our services were generally doing better than over the last 10 years. You’re on rocky ground trying to score points with PFI, seeing the Tories brought it in and Osborne relied heavily on it to try and massage the deficit figures (as did Brown, heavily).
Tories did indeed bring in PFI under Major. It was however, not that widely used. PFI exploded under Labour... then less deals were brought in when Tories back in power.
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The Death of the 'Left' on 17:41 - Sep 28 with 791 views
The left died in this country in 1983. The Berlin wall came down in 1989. The USSR collapsed in 1991. Hong Kong was passed to the China in 1997 and stayed capitalist.
This post is 30 odd years out of date.
NuLabour, Conservatives, Lib-Dems, Brexit party, UKIP etc are all right wing, the state broadcaster is right wing, most of the national newspapers are right wing and the EU is right wing.
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The Death of the 'Left' on 18:30 - Sep 28 with 751 views
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