| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 232562 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:39 - Jan 17 with 2946 views | Jigsore |
The thought Corbyn wants no deal slightly skewered by him coming out and saying the condition he asked for to sit with May was the non-possibility of no deal |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:39 - Jan 17 with 2943 views | jonno |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:27 - Jan 17 by runningman75 |
Labour MP's represent urban remain constituencies ( e.g Manchester, London, Liverpool, Leeds, Cardiff) and leave areas such as Stoke and Sunderland. Labour has a balancing act of those who want a second referendum and those who want to leave. Staying in the customs union is a brexit for those more in the middle. I am a Labour supporter and voted remain holding my nose. There are a lot of faults within the EU looking at issues such as Greece.
Also immigration is too high. I live in East London and have seen a population increase drastically in recent years. |
One of the tragic things about the whole business is that the UK - even as a member of the EU - could still have controlled immigration from the EU a lot more tightly. Had they done so, it's likely that a lot of people who voted leave due to what they saw as "uncontrolled immigration" may not have voted in the way they did. Yet again, the fault of successive UK governments - not the EU. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:41 - Jan 17 with 2937 views | jonno |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:32 - Jan 17 by stowmarketrange |
I couldn’t watch more than a minute or two of that garbage.What a bunch of hypocritical w@nkers the Tory mps are.117 of them didn’t think she was fit to run their party,but all of them voted that she was fit to run the country. |
More likely that she was just more fit to run the country than Corbyn! | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:43 - Jan 17 with 2925 views | BrianMcCarthy |
This is an excellent thread, folks. Some seriously knowledgeable posters on here. I freely admit I find the whole thing hard to follow, so thanks for the info. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:52 - Jan 17 with 2898 views | CaptainPugwash |
Belay there!
Can youse imagin the Teutons 'aving their flabby fingers o' the Yookay Nooclear whizzbang lornch buttons?"Third toim lucky" be it?
Yo Ho! [Post edited 17 Jan 2019 13:52]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:55 - Jan 17 with 2891 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:41 - Jan 17 by jonno |
More likely that she was just more fit to run the country than Corbyn! |
Corbyn could never get in,and I speak as someone who joined the Labour Party after his election.He is too toxic at the moment to get anywhere near the results he achieved 18 months ago.
I’m just getting sick of all the bullsh@t from all sides of the Commons.But I’m even more sick of the cowards in the tory party who think that struggling on under the worst prime minister in history has to be a better choice than taking the chance to ditch her once and for all.
117 of them wanted her out last time and now none of them did.
Spineless c@nts the lot of them. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:58 - Jan 17 with 2879 views | daveB |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:14 - Jan 17 by BasingstokeR |
Without seeing what you're referencing - Geoffrey Cox might've been being a bit disingenuous dependent on what he exactly said...
Withdrawing Art.50 doesn't mean you can never ever trigger it again in future at all.
The CJEU ruling said the UK could withdraw / revoke Art.50 as per this article explainer...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cancel-stop-revoke-article
"However, once the UK has revoked Article 50, there would be nothing stopping it from deciding to leave again. So this would be quite difficult to police, and in practice it could potentially be used to reset the two year negotiating period. This would probably make other EU member states, and officials, extremely angry however. " |
He didn't say you could never trigger it again but it would be very difficult to do it again and a non starter |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:05 - Jan 17 with 2856 views | runningman75 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:55 - Jan 17 by stowmarketrange |
Corbyn could never get in,and I speak as someone who joined the Labour Party after his election.He is too toxic at the moment to get anywhere near the results he achieved 18 months ago.
I’m just getting sick of all the bullsh@t from all sides of the Commons.But I’m even more sick of the cowards in the tory party who think that struggling on under the worst prime minister in history has to be a better choice than taking the chance to ditch her once and for all.
117 of them wanted her out last time and now none of them did.
Spineless c@nts the lot of them. |
I have mixed feelings about Corbyn as a Labour supporter. I am not an ardent remainer but do feel that he should be a sort of caretaker leader now as do not see him as electable. Left of centre friends who are remainers are more inclined to support the lib dems whilst more traditional Labour supporters do not trust him. |  | | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:08 - Jan 17 with 2847 views | FDC |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:49 - Jan 17 by CaptainPugwash |
Belay there!
Oy asks Sadiq The Cerebral Psittacoid fer claaryficashun on this and he sez...and oy quotes...
"Arrrrrrrkkkk.
It is my considered opinion,and without prejudice,that the entity known as the European Union has but a few scant years to live.It is likened to pumping blood into a corpse to continue further.The UK(or what part still exists thereof)seeking to court the Union will be as an invited party guest finding itself the sole possessor of an empty house the rave PA silent and only a flat Party Six for refreshment.Unholy alliances and holy alliances will form and former currencies will be be revived backed by gold.There will be envious eyes cast eastwards to the Belt And Road Initiative - the filter through which all European thought will flow
Sadiq wants a cracker
Sadiq wants a cracker
Aaaaaaaarkkk..."
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Lol, you're starting to give it away there Disco. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:11 - Jan 17 with 2834 views | CaptainPugwash |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:08 - Jan 17 by FDC |
Lol, you're starting to give it away there Disco. |
Dollopping Dolphins!
Thet bain't be moy landlubber nephew Disco!
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:12 - Jan 17 with 2835 views | stowmarketrange |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:05 - Jan 17 by runningman75 |
I have mixed feelings about Corbyn as a Labour supporter. I am not an ardent remainer but do feel that he should be a sort of caretaker leader now as do not see him as electable. Left of centre friends who are remainers are more inclined to support the lib dems whilst more traditional Labour supporters do not trust him. |
I’m not sure I could even vote for labour at the minute unless they come up with a concrete stance on brexit.Nobody seems to know what the party stands for on this important policy.
I’m sick of the wait and see policy spouted by the leadership.Just come down on one side or the other and people might start to have a bit of confidence again.Including me. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:29 - Jan 17 with 2802 views | BasingstokeR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:58 - Jan 17 by daveB |
He didn't say you could never trigger it again but it would be very difficult to do it again and a non starter |
OK so he was definitely playing politics / being disingenuous in that case then. Its 100% not a non-starter - but they don't want people to think revoking for even a year or two is an option do they - they want enough MPs to be worn down and agree the May deal? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:49 - Jan 17 with 2761 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:39 - Jan 17 by Jigsore |
The thought Corbyn wants no deal slightly skewered by him coming out and saying the condition he asked for to sit with May was the non-possibility of no deal |
steve rarely lets facts get in the way of a good argument
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:51 - Jan 17 with 2753 views | hopphoops |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:08 - Jan 17 by FDC |
Lol, you're starting to give it away there Disco. |
I'd always assumed it's Blob. I lent him a doubloon fwiw. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:57 - Jan 17 with 2735 views | BklynRanger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:51 - Jan 17 by hopphoops |
I'd always assumed it's Blob. I lent him a doubloon fwiw. |
It's Scott Jones I tells yeee... |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:00 - Jan 17 with 2729 views | hopphoops |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:57 - Jan 17 by BklynRanger |
It's Scott Jones I tells yeee... |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:19 - Jan 17 with 2686 views | plasmahoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:39 - Jan 17 by jonno |
One of the tragic things about the whole business is that the UK - even as a member of the EU - could still have controlled immigration from the EU a lot more tightly. Had they done so, it's likely that a lot of people who voted leave due to what they saw as "uncontrolled immigration" may not have voted in the way they did. Yet again, the fault of successive UK governments - not the EU. |
Totally agree with this. Blair government decided to make us the only country to allow unrestricted immigration when Poland et Al joined the eu. France and Germany put restrictions on in the early years. We could have still had some immigration for the jobs that needed filling, but it wouldn't have been such an incendiary issue, and the population wouldn't have gone up as dramatically as it has | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:41 - Jan 17 with 2638 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:19 - Jan 17 by plasmahoop |
Totally agree with this. Blair government decided to make us the only country to allow unrestricted immigration when Poland et Al joined the eu. France and Germany put restrictions on in the early years. We could have still had some immigration for the jobs that needed filling, but it wouldn't have been such an incendiary issue, and the population wouldn't have gone up as dramatically as it has |
Indeed. Had the wording stayed the same "Free movement of labour" to what it is today "Free movement of people", remain would have walked it. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:30 - Jan 17 with 2572 views | doogi10 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:31 - Jan 16 by DavieQPR |
The same CBI and Financial Experts who predicted the end of the world if we voted Brexsh*t. Staying in means cheaper labour and therefore bigger bonuses. |
they said when we leave we have not left | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:30 - Jan 17 with 2568 views | Discodroids |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:08 - Jan 17 by FDC |
Lol, you're starting to give it away there Disco. |
Not me. Totally different dna to my posts FDC. [Post edited 17 Jan 2019 16:32]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:26 - Jan 17 with 2500 views | colinallcars |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:41 - Jan 17 by Sharpy36 |
Indeed. Had the wording stayed the same "Free movement of labour" to what it is today "Free movement of people", remain would have walked it. |
Yes a lot of people voted Leave because they were worried about immigration but all that's happened is that immigration from the EU has dropped since the referendum but immigration from outside the EU has increased. The government is still unable to address this. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:09 - Jan 17 with 2461 views | runningman75 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:26 - Jan 17 by colinallcars |
Yes a lot of people voted Leave because they were worried about immigration but all that's happened is that immigration from the EU has dropped since the referendum but immigration from outside the EU has increased. The government is still unable to address this. |
I think the problem with immigration is the inadequate system. I have a friend from outside the EU who works in IT. He is legally here on a visa but wanted to bring his wife and child into the UK. He was told he does not earn enough money and has taken on a weekend job on top of his full time job to get enough earnings to bring them into the UK. On the other hand there are people who come into the UK and get housed and benefits who do not contribute to the economy. Those examples are then used by the media to stir up anti immigrant propaganda.
Where i live there are terraced houses some of which are council owned. One was empty and a so called single parent Eastern European women moved in with 2 children. A month later a male moved in with a 4 by 4 car who appears to be the children's father. I dislike the Daily Mail but I can see why people get riled by media stories regarding immigration. The Tories also have failed to deal with immigration properly and we must remember the Home secretary for a lot of the more recent years was a certain Theresa May. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:37 - Jan 17 with 2388 views | BlackCrowe |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:26 - Jan 17 by colinallcars |
Yes a lot of people voted Leave because they were worried about immigration but all that's happened is that immigration from the EU has dropped since the referendum but immigration from outside the EU has increased. The government is still unable to address this. |
And this is a problem (and i've got no real problem with immigration in any case). I don't know the stats but immigrants from EU are much higher proportioned towards skilled workers than non-EU. And we need both. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:01 - Jan 17 with 2362 views | kensalriser |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:26 - Jan 17 by colinallcars |
Yes a lot of people voted Leave because they were worried about immigration but all that's happened is that immigration from the EU has dropped since the referendum but immigration from outside the EU has increased. The government is still unable to address this. |
Not so much unable as unwilling. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 21:38 - Jan 17 with 2287 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:01 - Jan 17 by kensalriser |
Not so much unable as unwilling. |
Do honestly believe that?
We've a PM who as Home Sec came up with the Hostile Environment thing that led to the Windrush deportations, she insisted that Freedom of Movement was a red line in Brexit (making her job tons harder) and her party has been in govt since 2010 on a manifesto promise to reduce net immigration to less than 100k; plus it would be a massive vote winner for a govt in the shit.
But you think they look at all that and say "feck it, we just can't be arsed?"
Seriously? Why? | | | |
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