| The world is a crap place 15:50 - Nov 20 with 6247 views | Catullus |
I heard on the radio today that the MacMillan cancer charity has had an increase in requests for help from cancer patients who are coming under pressure for taking time off work, seriously, wtf?
Then later I found out that my nieghbours son had lost his job after taking time off to go to hospital to see his mother. She was just about to have life saving heart surgery, she was in an induced coma for a week. He worked for an agency, it was only a temp job until Christmas anyway but still, where is the compassion?
What kind of heatless b'stards can treat people like this? |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 17:56 - Nov 20 with 3236 views | AguycalledJack |
It’s all about the cash and profit.
That said, I think the the number of people who take the piss out of their employer regarding sickness etc has ended with everybody being tarred with the same brush and each case not being considered on an individual by individual basis. | | | |
| The world is a crap place on 18:21 - Nov 20 with 3193 views | Highjack |
They changed the rules a few years ago so now in most cases an employers occupational health representative can overrule a doctor. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 18:36 - Nov 20 with 3172 views | Catullus |
| The world is a crap place on 18:21 - Nov 20 by Highjack |
They changed the rules a few years ago so now in most cases an employers occupational health representative can overrule a doctor. |
Who changed the rules? Occupational health should be on the side of the sick person, not the manager.
I suppose I was lucky that my Occy health doctor (when I was recommended for retirement) was a decent person.
She admitted to me that my senior manager had been putting pressure on her for an answer, hoping to get me made medically redundant but that she didn't think it was fair to make any call until the medical evidence gave a definite answer about my condition and prognosis. Hungarian lady she was, I'd send her a Christmas card if I could, if she'd bowed to the pressure and it had been redundancy I wuld have lost the house!! | |
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| The world is a crap place on 18:44 - Nov 20 with 3160 views | AguycalledJack |
| The world is a crap place on 18:21 - Nov 20 by Highjack |
They changed the rules a few years ago so now in most cases an employers occupational health representative can overrule a doctor. |
Wasn’t aware of that. | | | |
| The world is a crap place on 18:46 - Nov 20 with 3156 views | dickythorpe |
Chucking sickies just doesn't happen anymore. Bosses are ruthless and can't be seen to be a soft touch.
It's a shît sandwich, but that example on the opening post is disgusting. I hope he can tarnish the idiot somehow publicly. |  | | |
| The world is a crap place on 19:02 - Nov 20 with 3130 views | icecoldjack |
The world is a crap place, the utter despair of many working people in South Wales who've had to eat crap from agencies/parasites on a daily basis is in the many thousands, and I've no doubt that half the reason we got brexit was because people could see nothing changing for their kids, no matter the EU no matter which government is in charge, things got so bad half the population decided to say fook it lets throw the cards in the air and see where they fall, the people with safe jobs just want to maintain the status quo and keep their head in the sand until a safe retirement, those not so lucky very often have to live from pay check to pay check irrelevant of being sick or having a loved one being sick.
Getting treated like dirt will however, strengthen the resolve of people to start getting organised in unions once again, with proper jobs will grow proper protection, at least that's the only hope I see, somebody who is smart enough will realise if you give something good to an employee and treat them well they will give you back more than enough productivity and take ownership of their tasks.
Once that penny drops, then we can hopefully start to see the end of parasite agencies who fook over their workers every day. They need to be the exception not the rule .
It's a romantic notion I know but I live in hope always. |  | | |
| The world is a crap place on 19:07 - Nov 20 with 3119 views | Flashberryjack |
| The world is a crap place on 18:36 - Nov 20 by Catullus |
Who changed the rules? Occupational health should be on the side of the sick person, not the manager.
I suppose I was lucky that my Occy health doctor (when I was recommended for retirement) was a decent person.
She admitted to me that my senior manager had been putting pressure on her for an answer, hoping to get me made medically redundant but that she didn't think it was fair to make any call until the medical evidence gave a definite answer about my condition and prognosis. Hungarian lady she was, I'd send her a Christmas card if I could, if she'd bowed to the pressure and it had been redundancy I wuld have lost the house!! |
Glad it worked out for you mate...there some decent people about.
Hope your health has improved. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 19:25 - Nov 20 with 3094 views | Gowerjack |
The inevitable result of voting Tory.
There is no such thing as society...
Now who said that I wonder? |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 19:50 - Nov 20 with 3040 views | yescomeon |
Tales from late capitalism. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 20:25 - Nov 20 with 2974 views | Catullus |
| The world is a crap place on 19:25 - Nov 20 by Gowerjack |
The inevitable result of voting Tory.
There is no such thing as society...
Now who said that I wonder? |
It's not just about voting Tory, it's about accepting crap politicians whichever party you vote in.
Until we change that, until we force our politicians to be better, to do better nothing will change.
I keep having to repeat myself on this but Labour have been as sh/t as anyone else. Are people bilnd or stupid, or both? Our two party system is knackered, past it's sell by date. Don't just vote Labour expecting they'll make it better. Show them both we've had enough and choose an independent candidate.
PS, Thanks Flashberry but in 7 years no, sadly my health hasn't improved. Every time they fix something, another thing goes wrong, I guess you can have too much fun because my body is paying the price for cheques I'd written 30 years ago  
What worries me is, where is the job security and job protection that I'd enjoyed? What does the future hold for my son? I didn't want this to be about brexit but, if the EU is so good why aren't they putting protections in so people aren't suffering even more than needs be when they are ill?
The comment about agencies is spot on, agencies are milking workers, charging companies for a worker then paying the worker less than the agency claims. It costs the NHS billions for agency staff who then don't have to do certain jobs leaving the full time staff to pick up the slack.
I think throwing the cards up in the air is exactly what many people didand yes, out of desperation. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 20:30 - Nov 20 with 2958 views | Jackfath |
People are losing sight of what is important in their lives. No thought or care for anyone but themselves. It's all very sad. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 20:33 - Nov 20 with 2955 views | Catullus |
| The world is a crap place on 20:30 - Nov 20 by Jackfath |
People are losing sight of what is important in their lives. No thought or care for anyone but themselves. It's all very sad. |
People have become very selfish and greedy Fath. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 21:15 - Nov 20 with 2915 views | jack_lord |
| The world is a crap place on 20:33 - Nov 20 by Catullus |
People have become very selfish and greedy Fath. |
people also have to work all hours just to pay the bills too. Often both parents at full time jobs sacrificing family time just to pay the mortgage and food bills. It is not getting better with the divide between rich and not rich getting bigger. Also, with manager's (failed bullies at school) doing their best to prove that their income is worth it by getting blood out of a stone for the wealthy, things won't improve. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 22:19 - Nov 20 with 2849 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The world is a crap place on 21:15 - Nov 20 by jack_lord |
people also have to work all hours just to pay the bills too. Often both parents at full time jobs sacrificing family time just to pay the mortgage and food bills. It is not getting better with the divide between rich and not rich getting bigger. Also, with manager's (failed bullies at school) doing their best to prove that their income is worth it by getting blood out of a stone for the wealthy, things won't improve. |
Don't forget get the extra 3 million jobs created since labour lost the 2010 election after their crashed our economy. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 22:21 - Nov 20 with 2847 views | majorraglan |
| The world is a crap place on 18:21 - Nov 20 by Highjack |
They changed the rules a few years ago so now in most cases an employers occupational health representative can overrule a doctor. |
This is true, the place where I work the OHU Doctor who is extremely highly qualified and probably better qualified than a GP can overturn a GP, but I don’t think they can/would override a consultant. That said, I am aware not aware of any cases where that the OHU Doctor has overridden a GP’s sick note, but they have asked some searching questions.
Edit typo predictive text! [Post edited 21 Nov 2018 23:10]
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| The world is a crap place on 22:31 - Nov 20 with 2826 views | exiledclaseboy |
When ‘er indoors spent all of 2017 off work with cancer her ( private sector) employer kept her on full pay for that entire period. They didn’t need to, didn’t have to, weren’t obliged to legally. They just did. Whatever may happen in the future, we’ll always be grateful for that kind of support. It makes a hell of a difference. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 22:44 - Nov 20 with 2796 views | raynor94 |
| The world is a crap place on 22:31 - Nov 20 by exiledclaseboy |
When ‘er indoors spent all of 2017 off work with cancer her ( private sector) employer kept her on full pay for that entire period. They didn’t need to, didn’t have to, weren’t obliged to legally. They just did. Whatever may happen in the future, we’ll always be grateful for that kind of support. It makes a hell of a difference. |
Good to hear, Tata steel treated me brilliant when I had nine months off with my late wife after she had contracted cancer. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 22:44 - Nov 20 with 2792 views | theloneranger |
| The world is a crap place on 18:21 - Nov 20 by Highjack |
They changed the rules a few years ago so now in most cases an employers occupational health representative can overrule a doctor. |
It changed in 2013 ...
"The government guidance of March 2013 states that the ‘Fit Note’ is classed as an advice note, and it is for employers/HR to determine whether or not to accept it"
But ...
"The employee should be personally examined by the occupational health doctor or specialist nurse and the decision should not have been made merely on a report or on the basis of a review of the medical notes." |  |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| The world is a crap place on 23:16 - Nov 20 with 2756 views | jack_lord |
| The world is a crap place on 22:19 - Nov 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Don't forget get the extra 3 million jobs created since labour lost the 2010 election after their crashed our economy. |
All very well paid jobs, no doubt. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 23:19 - Nov 20 with 2751 views | jack_lord |
| The world is a crap place on 22:31 - Nov 20 by exiledclaseboy |
When ‘er indoors spent all of 2017 off work with cancer her ( private sector) employer kept her on full pay for that entire period. They didn’t need to, didn’t have to, weren’t obliged to legally. They just did. Whatever may happen in the future, we’ll always be grateful for that kind of support. It makes a hell of a difference. |
I am glad to hear that. My company pay ten days sick pay (maximum) a year. One of my colleagues had a heart attack and is on statutory sick pay. I am glad that there are private companies that look after the people that make them money. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 05:41 - Nov 21 with 2645 views | Jack_Meoff |
| The world is a crap place on 22:19 - Nov 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Don't forget get the extra 3 million jobs created since labour lost the 2010 election after their crashed our economy. |
'Global Financial Crisis.' Only three words, and fairly self explanatory. So, which part of the phrase is so perplexing to you? |  |
| If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever. |
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| The world is a crap place on 06:57 - Nov 21 with 2611 views | yescomeon |
| The world is a crap place on 22:19 - Nov 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Don't forget get the extra 3 million jobs created since labour lost the 2010 election after their crashed our economy. |
Labour didn't crash the economy it was a global crash. It was thatcher wasn't it who deregulated the financial sector. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 08:06 - Nov 21 with 2577 views | ItchySphincter |
| The world is a crap place on 19:02 - Nov 20 by icecoldjack |
The world is a crap place, the utter despair of many working people in South Wales who've had to eat crap from agencies/parasites on a daily basis is in the many thousands, and I've no doubt that half the reason we got brexit was because people could see nothing changing for their kids, no matter the EU no matter which government is in charge, things got so bad half the population decided to say fook it lets throw the cards in the air and see where they fall, the people with safe jobs just want to maintain the status quo and keep their head in the sand until a safe retirement, those not so lucky very often have to live from pay check to pay check irrelevant of being sick or having a loved one being sick.
Getting treated like dirt will however, strengthen the resolve of people to start getting organised in unions once again, with proper jobs will grow proper protection, at least that's the only hope I see, somebody who is smart enough will realise if you give something good to an employee and treat them well they will give you back more than enough productivity and take ownership of their tasks.
Once that penny drops, then we can hopefully start to see the end of parasite agencies who fook over their workers every day. They need to be the exception not the rule .
It's a romantic notion I know but I live in hope always. |
You should go in to politics Anthony. |  |
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| The world is a crap place on 08:11 - Nov 21 with 2567 views | ItchySphincter |
| The world is a crap place on 22:31 - Nov 20 by exiledclaseboy |
When ‘er indoors spent all of 2017 off work with cancer her ( private sector) employer kept her on full pay for that entire period. They didn’t need to, didn’t have to, weren’t obliged to legally. They just did. Whatever may happen in the future, we’ll always be grateful for that kind of support. It makes a hell of a difference. |
I’m pleased to hear that, few and far between though I suspect. | |
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| The world is a crap place on 08:41 - Nov 21 with 2542 views | pikeypaul |
| The world is a crap place on 22:19 - Nov 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Don't forget get the extra 3 million jobs created since labour lost the 2010 election after their crashed our economy. |
Ssshhhhuuuusssshh you are not allowed to say how Labour virtually bankrupted the country with Liam Byrne their Treasury secetary walking out of office laughing and saying " good luck there is no money left"". Fecking shameful.
Poverty for everyone not just the few is Labours goal just because their jealousy and lack of work ethic overrides their ambition .
3 million jobs created by the Tories but hey that does not bother the lefties since most scrounge off the benefit system.Sad but true.
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