| Siggy - needs a rest/move 18:46 - Jan 4 with 7155 views | TheResurrection |
He looked totally ineffective for the vast majority of the game, the cross aside, and the stats back that up.
His most passed to player was Taylor, understandably, but a lowly 7 times and only features towards the bottom of the list. It shows he's not really connecting with any of our team even accounting for him being inside left. He made the one tackle - yes 1 - 3 interceptions, 1 aerial dual and misplaced a 1/3 of his passes 24/36.
Ans last night's game wasn't a one off - it's become the norm.
Having said that, I would worry about our set pieces if he were to be rested or sold as they are a dangerous weapon for us this season.
But overall something needs to happen with him.
Kelly to Tomkins 16
Naughton to Routledge 15
Tomkins to Kelly 13
Tomkins to Delaney 12
Delaney to Cabaye 11
Llorente to Cork 10
Mawson to Fernandez 10
Cabaye to Kelly 9
Ward to Ledley 9
Routledge to Naughton 8
Ledley to Tomkins 8
Hennessey to Benteke 8
Cork to Fernandez 8
Taylor to Llorente 8
Sigurdsson to Taylor 8
Fernandez to Mawson 8
Delaney to Tomkins 7
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:22 - Jan 5 with 1187 views | LeonWasGod |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 13:53 - Jan 5 by Bonjour |
He's no winger? Neither are Routledge, Dyer or Barrow but that's another discussion.
Anyway, I know we had this conversation at the Bournemouth game Chris (remember?) and while I disagreed with you then, I too was frustrated with Gylfi's performance against Palace.
For me, he is trying to be too clever all of the time. Sometimes, probably most of the time, he just needs to get hold of the ball, keep it and find a simple pass. Instead, he always looks for the difficult, fancy flick which, if it comes off would be great, but they rarely do.
I also agree with others that if he had someone that he 'clicked' with a la Bony, then we would see a lot more from him. |
Yep and Routledge is the same. Flicks round the corner to try and force things all the time. It is frustrating - lovely when it comes off mind. |  | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:27 - Jan 5 with 1173 views | SuperSwan |
You really do talk sh*t don't you!! Granted he hasn't been effective as he usually is, but this could be due to the fact he has been played out of position virtually all season!! He still covers more ground than any other player in the team (check your stats on that one).... You tell me any other no.10 in European football that would be asked to do that and still put in a shift?!?! You came up with the same crap re. Williams on how we should sell him..... That worked out well didn't it!!! There is a difference between having an opinion and just talking utter nonsense and you my friend very often on here talks the latter!! |  | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:31 - Jan 5 with 1159 views | pencoedjack |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:12 - Jan 4 by oh_tommy_tommy |
I don't think cutting off your goal supply is a good idea .
It really doesn't matter if he's having a bad spell at the moment .
He's having a mare , just like every player in the squad .
He'll come good again , class always stays .
I'd give him a rest Saturday
And hopefully get ready to score YET ANOTHER GOAL AGAINST ARSENAL .
Stop winding everyone up mun . [Post edited 4 Jan 2017 19:25]
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:32 - Jan 5 with 1159 views | swancity |
Siggursdon has been an excellent signing for us. We all agree on that?
But he looks a bit jaded or tired to me. Call it what you want. I think it's a combination of the pressure on him to be the main.creative influence in our team, being involved in a relegation struggle with three managers takes its toll and also of course he only had a very short break to recharge his batteries after doing so well in the Euros, like a lot of other players, with the additional travelling involved for his home matches with Iceland for World Cup qualifiers etc. It's easy to say that they should be used to all of that but all in all theres a lot of pressure to produce results
I think he needs a game or two as a sub where we can use his ability for 15-30 minutes a game depending on the situation and then to rotate him with Fer (possibly) occasionally.
I think then we will see the best of him again as on his best form he's a player who can win games on his own by creating and scoring goals as we all know. | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:11 - Jan 5 with 1116 views | Robert |
Since August 2014, only one Premier League midfielder (Sadio Mane - 43) has had a hand in more goals than Gylfi Sigurdsson (42 - 23 goals and 19 assists).
And TheResurrection wants to sell him for a midfielder that can go past a man  | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:19 - Jan 5 with 1112 views | Bonjour |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:14 - Jan 5 by TheResurrection |
Of course I remember - I was just planting the seed then ;-)
They are wingers though, and 2 of them have been very good for us in that position.
The rest I agree with. Hence my OP really about him not forming any meaningful partnerships or links on the pitch - and that's not just against Palace, it's been all season and more. Him and Bony had a great connection but Bony really was the best we've seen at holding the ball up and we've not had much of that since. Gomis played off the shoulder and mostly off side but was as weak as shit with his back to goal and these 2 Spaniards aren't much better......
However..... Llorente had his best half by miles against Palace, seriously impressive and I've not been able to offer him much praise since he's been here. Now is this just a coincidence that Siggy isn't behind him or just a one off.
Because if it is the former then we can't afford to play Siggy in the number 10 again as we need Llorente on that sort of form and not what we've seen for most of the season.
You're also right about the simple things - Siggy just wants to look for that "clever" chipped ball over the top or in behind and more often than not they are going out for a goal kick. Like you say he needs to concentrate on the little things and start forming partnerships and effective units on the pitch no matter where he is playing. Give and go, receive and give, move into space and repeat. Do this well and the rest will come including the options he's rushing into now before these basics.
If some people on here want to argue with any of the above then talk football and leave the childish comments behind. It would be a better forum if people did chip in with thoughts and opinions instead of just following other sheep around aimlessly. |
We pretty much agree on Siggy although my views aren't as strong as yours in that I wouldn't drop him or sell him :-) I'd just have a word and tell him to play properly 
Regarding the 2 wingers that "have" been good for us I'm assuming you mean Dyer and Routledge? If so, they have both been gash for a while and you can't say they have been good in the past (while acknowledging they're gash now) and then have a go at Siggy because he too "'has" been good for us.
Does that make sense?  | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:36 - Jan 5 with 1103 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:19 - Jan 5 by Bonjour |
We pretty much agree on Siggy although my views aren't as strong as yours in that I wouldn't drop him or sell him :-) I'd just have a word and tell him to play properly
Regarding the 2 wingers that "have" been good for us I'm assuming you mean Dyer and Routledge? If so, they have both been gash for a while and you can't say they have been good in the past (while acknowledging they're gash now) and then have a go at Siggy because he too "'has" been good for us.
Does that make sense? |
It does and I agree, although I think we'll need perhaps both of them in some capacity for the rest of the season. Routs was superb against Palace for me and we never know maybe Dyer will be ready to focus his mind totally on football again.
The big difference between all mentioned is Siggy would be worth a few Bob and could help to reshape our team.
It's just a thought anyway. I do think he's as much a problem as he is a solution. | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:38 - Jan 5 with 1092 views | Drizzy |
This thread is delightful. Further proof, as if it were needed, that T2C knows absolutely f*ck all about football.
I do recall a period where he would post his view on tactics, with suggestions of new formations, reinforced with Frankenstein diagrams he'd concocted on MS Paint.
He's got some new found obsession with statistics which is humorous to observe. The vast majority of these statistics are irrelevant and he can't seem to grasp the idea that he might just be cherry picking to suit his agenda. That would be ever so unlike him, wouldn't it?
We're not selling Gylfi. The continuation of these trite ramblings isn't going to change that. He's comfortably our most creative influence even when he's off form like he has been for the last few months. I know it's become all the norm to post edgy critiques, seems to be a widespread problem in football at the moment, but he's not going anywhere.
If it weren't for the comedic value I wouldn't bother dignifying this nonsense. |  |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:46 - Jan 5 with 1080 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:32 - Jan 5 by swancity |
Siggursdon has been an excellent signing for us. We all agree on that?
But he looks a bit jaded or tired to me. Call it what you want. I think it's a combination of the pressure on him to be the main.creative influence in our team, being involved in a relegation struggle with three managers takes its toll and also of course he only had a very short break to recharge his batteries after doing so well in the Euros, like a lot of other players, with the additional travelling involved for his home matches with Iceland for World Cup qualifiers etc. It's easy to say that they should be used to all of that but all in all theres a lot of pressure to produce results
I think he needs a game or two as a sub where we can use his ability for 15-30 minutes a game depending on the situation and then to rotate him with Fer (possibly) occasionally.
I think then we will see the best of him again as on his best form he's a player who can win games on his own by creating and scoring goals as we all know. |
Can't argue with this.
Good post. [Post edited 5 Jan 2017 17:46]
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:48 - Jan 5 with 1073 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:22 - Jan 5 by SwaneeRiver |
Listen fella. All I said is that I hope Huw does the right thing for SCFC and that he and his father have been lifelong supporters, and that some of the vitriol was OTT.
I am not chairman of the HJ supporters club.
Personally I don't care who's in charge as long as they start doing what's right for the club.
If that's not HJ then I hope he goes to be replaced by a more suitable candidate. There is no one on the horizon, but I guarantee whilst the Yanks remain in charge the next CEO won' t be from this side of the pond.
As for Siggy, no one can pretend he's had a great season (name one player who has), but to suggest to move him on is madness,
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Rest him, change the format so we get more out of him, give him all the help he needs, but sell him. You're barking sorry fella |
What does the title of this thread say? Assuming you can read? | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:57 - Jan 5 with 1061 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 16:27 - Jan 5 by SuperSwan |
You really do talk sh*t don't you!! Granted he hasn't been effective as he usually is, but this could be due to the fact he has been played out of position virtually all season!! He still covers more ground than any other player in the team (check your stats on that one).... You tell me any other no.10 in European football that would be asked to do that and still put in a shift?!?! You came up with the same crap re. Williams on how we should sell him..... That worked out well didn't it!!! There is a difference between having an opinion and just talking utter nonsense and you my friend very often on here talks the latter!! |
Ah it's you again... Fair play, you must be our most insightful village idiot after some of the absurd claims you've made on here. By the way, what part of England am I actually from?
Williams moving on was the right thing to happen. £12m for a short, fat guy who can't head the ball was great business. The only mistake was not replacing him, although if Alfie carries on like he's starting to show then on one will ever mention Williams again, apart from the Toffee's who are already starting to realise.
Who's asking Siggy to run around like a big cock by the way? I would seriously doubt that's an email instruction from above and why do you think he's being played out of position? It's partly because he's not very effective in the one he likes to play.
Where exactly do you sit in front of me? You should have the good grace to say hello and we can talk shit, me in my English accent, together...? | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 18:30 - Jan 5 with 1030 views | SwaneeRiver |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:48 - Jan 5 by TheResurrection |
What does the title of this thread say? Assuming you can read? |
It says "Siggy - needs a rest / move"
Assuming you know what you are typing, most people's interpretation of "move" would signify away from the club.
It might be good for Siggy to go to a better team, if that's what you're alluding to, but how would that help our beloved Swans ? | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:08 - Jan 5 with 998 views | trampie |
Gylfi has something like 30 Premier League goals for the Swans in just over 100 games and a similar amount of assists, he is one of the best if not the best in the entire Premier League for a midfielder scoring goals and getting assists over a timeframe of a few seasons. |  |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:38 - Jan 5 with 981 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 18:30 - Jan 5 by SwaneeRiver |
It says "Siggy - needs a rest / move"
Assuming you know what you are typing, most people's interpretation of "move" would signify away from the club.
It might be good for Siggy to go to a better team, if that's what you're alluding to, but how would that help our beloved Swans ? |
And what's your definition of "rest"?? | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:40 - Jan 5 with 969 views | Loyal |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 18:30 - Jan 5 by SwaneeRiver |
It says "Siggy - needs a rest / move"
Assuming you know what you are typing, most people's interpretation of "move" would signify away from the club.
It might be good for Siggy to go to a better team, if that's what you're alluding to, but how would that help our beloved Swans ? |
It wouldn't. |  |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:44 - Jan 5 with 962 views | SwaneeRiver |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:38 - Jan 5 by TheResurrection |
And what's your definition of "rest"?? |
When I replied earlier I agreed he may well need a rest - Saturday would be an ideal opportunity for that.
An honest question though - do you honestly mean thathe should move ( as to another club).
If so, what would be the benefit to us as a club (apart from financial) and who would you replace him with, either from our current squad or a replacement we could realistically sign? | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:45 - Jan 5 with 961 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:38 - Jan 5 by Drizzy |
This thread is delightful. Further proof, as if it were needed, that T2C knows absolutely f*ck all about football.
I do recall a period where he would post his view on tactics, with suggestions of new formations, reinforced with Frankenstein diagrams he'd concocted on MS Paint.
He's got some new found obsession with statistics which is humorous to observe. The vast majority of these statistics are irrelevant and he can't seem to grasp the idea that he might just be cherry picking to suit his agenda. That would be ever so unlike him, wouldn't it?
We're not selling Gylfi. The continuation of these trite ramblings isn't going to change that. He's comfortably our most creative influence even when he's off form like he has been for the last few months. I know it's become all the norm to post edgy critiques, seems to be a widespread problem in football at the moment, but he's not going anywhere.
If it weren't for the comedic value I wouldn't bother dignifying this nonsense. |
The stats are the facts backing up what a lot are seeing.
Give it a few months and it will reach the back of the class and you with the clay. | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 21:13 - Jan 5 with 898 views | Strikeout |
You been drinking Christopher? | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 22:39 - Jan 5 with 851 views | SwaneeRiver |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:44 - Jan 5 by SwaneeRiver |
When I replied earlier I agreed he may well need a rest - Saturday would be an ideal opportunity for that.
An honest question though - do you honestly mean thathe should move ( as to another club).
If so, what would be the benefit to us as a club (apart from financial) and who would you replace him with, either from our current squad or a replacement we could realistically sign? |
Couldn't give a logical answer ?
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 22:51 - Jan 5 with 847 views | builthjack |
Are you having a chat with yourself? |  |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 23:04 - Jan 5 with 841 views | SwaneeRiver |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 22:51 - Jan 5 by builthjack |
Are you having a chat with yourself? |
Seems I was
Meant to direct it to the Res, quoted myself instead! | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 23:42 - Jan 5 with 816 views | TheResurrection |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 19:44 - Jan 5 by SwaneeRiver |
When I replied earlier I agreed he may well need a rest - Saturday would be an ideal opportunity for that.
An honest question though - do you honestly mean thathe should move ( as to another club).
If so, what would be the benefit to us as a club (apart from financial) and who would you replace him with, either from our current squad or a replacement we could realistically sign? |
If we sold him the benefit would be to strengthen areas of our team that desperately need it.
We need a left back. If Naughton can turn in a performance like he did against Palace we may get away with right back.
We need to replace what Leon has given us for years.
We need a centre back and hope Mawson can keep on improving.
We need a striker as Borja could easily go back to Spain in the window and we need a winger or two.
We'll see how Clement wants to play this anyway. The Palace game has given us all a new hope but it could be a false dawn. If we were having this conversation after the Bournemouth game I'd be even stronger in this opinion but let's see.
All of the above would be on the proviso that Clement would be able to get these players in. If it's a non starter due to a lack of suitable replacement's then I wouldn't want him gone, same as I wouldn't have sold Williams.
The other main reason for the recent Siggy posts was his body language, which has been also telling its own story. Lord Bony has put a link up to another Siggy thread. I'm not the only one thinking along these lines. | |
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| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 15:22 - Jan 6 with 742 views | SwaneeRiver |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 23:42 - Jan 5 by TheResurrection |
If we sold him the benefit would be to strengthen areas of our team that desperately need it.
We need a left back. If Naughton can turn in a performance like he did against Palace we may get away with right back.
We need to replace what Leon has given us for years.
We need a centre back and hope Mawson can keep on improving.
We need a striker as Borja could easily go back to Spain in the window and we need a winger or two.
We'll see how Clement wants to play this anyway. The Palace game has given us all a new hope but it could be a false dawn. If we were having this conversation after the Bournemouth game I'd be even stronger in this opinion but let's see.
All of the above would be on the proviso that Clement would be able to get these players in. If it's a non starter due to a lack of suitable replacement's then I wouldn't want him gone, same as I wouldn't have sold Williams.
The other main reason for the recent Siggy posts was his body language, which has been also telling its own story. Lord Bony has put a link up to another Siggy thread. I'm not the only one thinking along these lines. |
i wouldn't be overly surprised if Siggy instigated a move, although after his fateful time with Spurs, he may well decide against another move. I feel we would be mad to sell him unless he forced a move.
I certainly agree with the positions we need to strengthen in, but feel Siggy will be a pivotal part of any improvement we make. | | | |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 15:41 - Jan 6 with 724 views | LeonWasGod |
| Siggy - needs a rest/move on 17:11 - Jan 5 by Robert |
Since August 2014, only one Premier League midfielder (Sadio Mane - 43) has had a hand in more goals than Gylfi Sigurdsson (42 - 23 goals and 19 assists).
And TheResurrection wants to sell him for a midfielder that can go past a man |
Sadio Mane. Now there's a player I'd love to see in a Swans shirt. There's more chance of me going to the moon this afternoon, but we can all dream. | | | |
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