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Les Ferdinand: QPR director of football stresses club must be patient
Queens Park Rangers must be patient as they seek a return to the Premier League, according to director of football Les Ferdinand.
The R's, relegated from the top flight in 2015, are 13th in the Championship, four points off the play-off places.
"We know what we are trying to achieve and where we are trying to go," Ferdinand, 49, told BBC Radio London.
"We are in a society where everybody wants everything overnight. Sometimes that doesn't happen."
QPR finished 12th last season, having sacked Chris Ramsey in November and replaced him with Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink.
Rangers were in the play-off places at the start of September but have slipped to mid-table following a run of two wins in nine league games.
"We started the season well and everyone was optimistic and enthused by that, but unfortunately there has been a downturn in performances," Ferdinand added.
"If you are going to gain stability or continuity at your club, you need a bit of patience.
"I know that is difficult for supporters at times but it is vitally important we keep a level head about it all."
Hasselbaink 'the right man' for R's
Rangers' previous spell in the Premier League, from 2011 to 2013, was characterised by big spending on transfer fees and player wages - such as the £12.5m signing of defender Christopher Samba on a reported £100,000 a week.
Following relegation in 2015 Ferdinand said the club's strategy was "badly wrong" and he is keen to stress the R's - and Hasselbaink - are now working under tighter financial constraints.
"At this moment we are not in a position to throw that sort of money at players," Ferdinand said.
"There has to be a period of stabilisation at the club. That is the period we are in right now, frustrating as it may be.
"We'd love to be in the position where we could throw the money that was thrown before, but we are not.
"We brought a young manager in from League One who we felt was the right man to take the club forward. We still believe he is the right man and everyone is backing him."
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Excellent post from daveB.
If Les has been responsible for player recruitment since Redknapp left, then two things are clear:
1. He's working under a tighter budget than anyone at the club will have done for a long time. The wage cap must surely be lower than any point since Briatore took over.
2. He's still brought in some genuinely promising players, raw and inconsistent yes, but promising. (And there's a youth team player actually breaking though into the first eleven, which most of us had given up on ever happening again).
The last time we had a team of anything more than overpaid, ageing mercenaries was the promotion season under Warnock. And what always, always gets forgotten with all the misty eyes about that season is it was Warnock himself who then dismantled that team in favour of those same overpaid, ageing mercenaries. (Just like it was Warnock who sent Clint Hill out on loan having decided he wasn't good enough for the Premiership).
But no, after Paladini, Briatore, Mark Hughes and Redknapp, all our problems started with Tottenham Les. |  | | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 18:22 - Nov 6 by daveB |
I’ll try and ignore the Tottenham Les nonsense. You don’t think he’s doing a good job that is fine but he deserves a lot more respect than many are giving him
Apologies for the length of this but I think to assess the job Ferdinand is doing you need to look at why this role was needed and what happened before he came in.
I think our problems as a club go back to 2006 when Holloway went and Paladini started to get rid of QPR people from the club and start an era of fixing problems with more signings which just created more problems leaving us with no foundations at all to build on.
For years after that every injury to a player meant new signings either on loan or permanent, Every poor signing was quickly replaced with another new one. It started on a small scale with players not worth a lot but in the summer of 06 we signed the likes of Oliseh, Tchanoute, Zesh Rehmann, Nick Ward and many others, by January they were all out of the first team and replaced by the likes of Bolder, Cullip, Idiakez, Timoska etc
That continued every year, we never looked for players who might be able to grow with the club, it was always short term fixes who would get us through the next month. We never looked at giving kids from the youth team a chance or investing in coaches and scouts at that level to improve kind of young players we had, instead more loans, more signings.
That got worse and more expensive in the Flavio years, the number of players we signed was incredible, so many loan players that we couldn’t fit them all in a match day squad. Players signed and replaced within a few months who would then go on to do well elsewhere and we’d wonder why. Managers brought in and gone within months. I won’t go through all the players but we signed a new squad in summer 07, replaced most of them in January 08, replaced them in summer of 08 and then another new squad in January 09. This continued every window with managers coming and going.
I’d sum up the QPR way in that decade as a gambler in a casino who keeps losing money but continues to spin the roulette wheel, trying different ways of doing it but keep spinning it and eventually the law of averages says you’ll win and we did when Warnock came in and he was a manager who knew what he wanted and how to get promoted. Yet still when we won the jackpot and went up we continued with the same thing, more signings, more managers, keep spinning that wheel rather than walk out of the casino a winner.
Even under Warnock we still needed 4/5 new signings in January to get us promoted and the following summer he signed a load of new players before the takeover, then another load in August and then in January Hughes came in and signed another load. So many changes and it just carried on. A minimum of six or seven new players every transfer window, usually all replaced within months. It was pure insanity and was never going to being long term success.
It all came to a head under Redknapp when many on here lost the plot over his transfer policy of new signings every five minutes and no youth players given a chance. In truth it was no different to what had gone on in the years before but under Redknapp it was a lot more obvious and the calls were for it to change. A return to what we used to be in bringing through our own players, signing hungry players who want to be here and building a team which can be added to but doesn’t need replacing every 12 weeks.
At the time I backed Redknapp mainly because we were a club with no self respect, the club we were just signed players after players with no real plan and no real idea how to use them and then we’d replace them all at the next opportunity. For that club Redknapp was perfect and if he’s gone in that promotion year he’d have just been replaced and we’d have continued with the same policy of spinning the roulette wheel and hoping to get lucky.
It’s not really what I wanted, I wanted a club who signed players with a plan, I wanted a club who would invest in the scouting and youth side of the club so that when we needed new players we had an idea of who to sign, when we got injuries we could dip into the youth team and give our own a chance, I wanted the club I grew up with and the club we had become was a very different and unlikeable one.
But to change to the old way was going to be hard, it required a Director of football to come in and give time and energy to the youth set up invest in coaches, look to add new players at those levels and care about the development of those players so move them up age groups, loan out players to get them some actual football and have players ready to come into the first team when needed. The Academy at QPR had been ignored for over 10 years and closed down under Gerry Francis so to fix it was always going to take years rather than months.
To be the club I wanted it also required at first team level to sacrifice short term results to bring in raw players who needed to be improved, players who wanted to play for QPR as it was a step up for them, not somewhere to come to make a few quid. If we have a game on Saturday and the left winger is injured for a few weeks throw in a kid and give them experience to get through those few weeks rather than sign Yossi Benayhoun.
We needed a director of football to take us out of the casino and start putting things right. When Redknapp went and Ferdinand looked to put this kind of dream into action it was for me the last chance we have to return to a football club to be proud of.
So that what was required from Ferdinand and all this needed to be done with a massive FFP fine over our head, half a squad of big money tosspots we couldn’t get rid of and an expectation that we still need to be good and competitive in a tough league every match. It was never going to be easy and in all likelihood the fans who screamed for this to happen were never going to have the patience to see it through.
So how has he done in the 1 year and 10 months he's been in the role?
On the academy I think he’s made good changes, for a start there is now a pathway to the first team, several kids have got into the first team in the last year, several others have gone on to play league one football on loan and the younger groups have moved up age levels to aide their development. Results at those levels have been dire but the success of an academy should not be about results, it’s about how many first team players are produced and so far the improvement in this area is there for all to see with Shodipo, Kakay and The Finnish fella whose name I can’t spell all getting a go this season.
On the transfer front we have signed players who see us as a step up, who want to play for us and all have ability to do well at this club and go on to do bigger things. Not all signings have worked but I’d rather see us sign the likes of Smithies, Luongo, Sylla, Bourisek, Cousins, Polter etc than the turds we were signing under Redknapp. We also have a squad that won't need major surgery in the next two windows, it won't need new players in every position, we'll just need to add some quality to what is a decent group. It’s not perfect but it’s a bloody good start and that’s why I think he’s doing a good job. Really I don't know what more he was expected to do in such a short space of time.
Ferdinand hasn’t got everything right. The two managerial appointments haven’t worked but neither were his sole decision, Ramsey was a typical whim from Fernandes after a good win but he fitted in with what Ferdinand wanted to do, sadly it didn’t work out. Same with JFH, we wanted an interview process, we wanted an up and coming manager and we got one of the best prospects who had done well in two jobs but for various reasons it hasn’t worked and in both cases Ferdinand has acted pretty quickly to make the change, he could easily have waited another month with this one but has stuck his neck on the line and made the change when many said he wouldn't.
Managerial appointments can always go wrong, there is no perfect way to do it and this one was done with Lee Hoos who has a very strong reputation for getting this kind of thing right. I’ve no idea who will be next but you can be sure some fans will slaughter the club whoever it is and spend the next few months desperate to be proved right.
Overall though I just hope Ferdinand stays and continues the excellent work he is doing, a lot of fans want him gone and will no doubt get their wish eventually but he's at least tried to end the insanity at the club. |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 18:22 - Nov 6 by daveB |
I’ll try and ignore the Tottenham Les nonsense. You don’t think he’s doing a good job that is fine but he deserves a lot more respect than many are giving him
Apologies for the length of this but I think to assess the job Ferdinand is doing you need to look at why this role was needed and what happened before he came in.
I think our problems as a club go back to 2006 when Holloway went and Paladini started to get rid of QPR people from the club and start an era of fixing problems with more signings which just created more problems leaving us with no foundations at all to build on.
For years after that every injury to a player meant new signings either on loan or permanent, Every poor signing was quickly replaced with another new one. It started on a small scale with players not worth a lot but in the summer of 06 we signed the likes of Oliseh, Tchanoute, Zesh Rehmann, Nick Ward and many others, by January they were all out of the first team and replaced by the likes of Bolder, Cullip, Idiakez, Timoska etc
That continued every year, we never looked for players who might be able to grow with the club, it was always short term fixes who would get us through the next month. We never looked at giving kids from the youth team a chance or investing in coaches and scouts at that level to improve kind of young players we had, instead more loans, more signings.
That got worse and more expensive in the Flavio years, the number of players we signed was incredible, so many loan players that we couldn’t fit them all in a match day squad. Players signed and replaced within a few months who would then go on to do well elsewhere and we’d wonder why. Managers brought in and gone within months. I won’t go through all the players but we signed a new squad in summer 07, replaced most of them in January 08, replaced them in summer of 08 and then another new squad in January 09. This continued every window with managers coming and going.
I’d sum up the QPR way in that decade as a gambler in a casino who keeps losing money but continues to spin the roulette wheel, trying different ways of doing it but keep spinning it and eventually the law of averages says you’ll win and we did when Warnock came in and he was a manager who knew what he wanted and how to get promoted. Yet still when we won the jackpot and went up we continued with the same thing, more signings, more managers, keep spinning that wheel rather than walk out of the casino a winner.
Even under Warnock we still needed 4/5 new signings in January to get us promoted and the following summer he signed a load of new players before the takeover, then another load in August and then in January Hughes came in and signed another load. So many changes and it just carried on. A minimum of six or seven new players every transfer window, usually all replaced within months. It was pure insanity and was never going to being long term success.
It all came to a head under Redknapp when many on here lost the plot over his transfer policy of new signings every five minutes and no youth players given a chance. In truth it was no different to what had gone on in the years before but under Redknapp it was a lot more obvious and the calls were for it to change. A return to what we used to be in bringing through our own players, signing hungry players who want to be here and building a team which can be added to but doesn’t need replacing every 12 weeks.
At the time I backed Redknapp mainly because we were a club with no self respect, the club we were just signed players after players with no real plan and no real idea how to use them and then we’d replace them all at the next opportunity. For that club Redknapp was perfect and if he’s gone in that promotion year he’d have just been replaced and we’d have continued with the same policy of spinning the roulette wheel and hoping to get lucky.
It’s not really what I wanted, I wanted a club who signed players with a plan, I wanted a club who would invest in the scouting and youth side of the club so that when we needed new players we had an idea of who to sign, when we got injuries we could dip into the youth team and give our own a chance, I wanted the club I grew up with and the club we had become was a very different and unlikeable one.
But to change to the old way was going to be hard, it required a Director of football to come in and give time and energy to the youth set up invest in coaches, look to add new players at those levels and care about the development of those players so move them up age groups, loan out players to get them some actual football and have players ready to come into the first team when needed. The Academy at QPR had been ignored for over 10 years and closed down under Gerry Francis so to fix it was always going to take years rather than months.
To be the club I wanted it also required at first team level to sacrifice short term results to bring in raw players who needed to be improved, players who wanted to play for QPR as it was a step up for them, not somewhere to come to make a few quid. If we have a game on Saturday and the left winger is injured for a few weeks throw in a kid and give them experience to get through those few weeks rather than sign Yossi Benayhoun.
We needed a director of football to take us out of the casino and start putting things right. When Redknapp went and Ferdinand looked to put this kind of dream into action it was for me the last chance we have to return to a football club to be proud of.
So that what was required from Ferdinand and all this needed to be done with a massive FFP fine over our head, half a squad of big money tosspots we couldn’t get rid of and an expectation that we still need to be good and competitive in a tough league every match. It was never going to be easy and in all likelihood the fans who screamed for this to happen were never going to have the patience to see it through.
So how has he done in the 1 year and 10 months he's been in the role?
On the academy I think he’s made good changes, for a start there is now a pathway to the first team, several kids have got into the first team in the last year, several others have gone on to play league one football on loan and the younger groups have moved up age levels to aide their development. Results at those levels have been dire but the success of an academy should not be about results, it’s about how many first team players are produced and so far the improvement in this area is there for all to see with Shodipo, Kakay and The Finnish fella whose name I can’t spell all getting a go this season.
On the transfer front we have signed players who see us as a step up, who want to play for us and all have ability to do well at this club and go on to do bigger things. Not all signings have worked but I’d rather see us sign the likes of Smithies, Luongo, Sylla, Bourisek, Cousins, Polter etc than the turds we were signing under Redknapp. We also have a squad that won't need major surgery in the next two windows, it won't need new players in every position, we'll just need to add some quality to what is a decent group. It’s not perfect but it’s a bloody good start and that’s why I think he’s doing a good job. Really I don't know what more he was expected to do in such a short space of time.
Ferdinand hasn’t got everything right. The two managerial appointments haven’t worked but neither were his sole decision, Ramsey was a typical whim from Fernandes after a good win but he fitted in with what Ferdinand wanted to do, sadly it didn’t work out. Same with JFH, we wanted an interview process, we wanted an up and coming manager and we got one of the best prospects who had done well in two jobs but for various reasons it hasn’t worked and in both cases Ferdinand has acted pretty quickly to make the change, he could easily have waited another month with this one but has stuck his neck on the line and made the change when many said he wouldn't.
Managerial appointments can always go wrong, there is no perfect way to do it and this one was done with Lee Hoos who has a very strong reputation for getting this kind of thing right. I’ve no idea who will be next but you can be sure some fans will slaughter the club whoever it is and spend the next few months desperate to be proved right.
Overall though I just hope Ferdinand stays and continues the excellent work he is doing, a lot of fans want him gone and will no doubt get their wish eventually but he's at least tried to end the insanity at the club. |
Bang. On.
The expectations of QPR are just insane these days.
We spent 15 years out of top flight football. I never thought we would go back truth be told and yet we've managed it twice now in the last 6 years.
But its come at a cost. A massive monumental cost. A quarter of a billion literally pissed up the wall. Forget the ABC loan that's small change. Our club is now indebted to that clown Tony Fernandes. The man is clueless to how football works.
We needed someone that knows QPR,that knows football to help bring back a bit of perspective to the club and not let that buffoon TF get his trousers pulled down again.
I think Ferdinand has done a good job under difficult circumstances. Not perfect, but still good job. Ferdinand isn't the problem here. Fernandes and the board are the problem. |  |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 19:38 - Nov 6 with 1494 views | stevestrange |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 10:10 - Nov 6 by Northolt_Rs |
How is Tottenham Les doing a good job? Two pizz poor manager appointments to end up with a worse team than when he came in plus woeful performances on the pitch to boot. Also I don't remember too many of us being overjoyed with either the Ramsey or JFH appointments. In fact a fair few raised the alarm over Ramsey and highlighted Jimmy's inexperience and his good fortune to take over a good setup at Burton Albion. So for me our DOF isn't doing a good job - far from it in fact. |
Honestly I think you're being too hard on Les, for the failings of Ramsey and JFH. First off I get the feeling that Ramsey was appointed because there was no one else ( though I could be wrong). As for JFH, from the interviews released prior to his appointment, Hoos was also involved in choosing JFH, so by your logic Hoos must be doing a crap job aswell. I don't believe the role of a DoF is solely selecting a manager, so Les should not be judged by the managerial appointments alone. But what about Redknapp and Hughes ? two appointments which Les was not involved in, look how they turned out. Our problems I believe go much deeper than the DoF, manager or individual players, our problems probably lie with the owners, who despite saying the contrary, want Premiership football at any cost. Any manager who cannot deliver is basically a dead man walking. There's no stability, building or long term planning going on at QPR, it's Premiership or bust. Remember when after the play off final Fernandes said he wanted Redknapp for life ?? six months later Redknapp left, before he was pushed. We have unfortunately an owner who acts like a typical football fan; the manager does well, he's the best thing since sliced bread, if he doesn't deliver he gets turfed out. |  | | |
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I'm still not over the Blue Peter garden fiasco and quite frankly, I don't think I ever will be.
Les out!
In fact, everybody out! |  | | |
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Yup, and I'd also like to know; why and on what basis he got the job in the first place? |
Exactly. Some of the ridiculous suggestions on here for manager (Ainsworth, Gallen, Derry, Hill, Bircham, Francis, Bignot) show that many fans are so blinkered by past ties they actually ignore whether the person has the credentials to do the job. Les was undoubtedly a wonderful player and remains a club legend but decent DoF he is not. |  | | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 18:22 - Nov 6 by daveB |
I’ll try and ignore the Tottenham Les nonsense. You don’t think he’s doing a good job that is fine but he deserves a lot more respect than many are giving him
Apologies for the length of this but I think to assess the job Ferdinand is doing you need to look at why this role was needed and what happened before he came in.
I think our problems as a club go back to 2006 when Holloway went and Paladini started to get rid of QPR people from the club and start an era of fixing problems with more signings which just created more problems leaving us with no foundations at all to build on.
For years after that every injury to a player meant new signings either on loan or permanent, Every poor signing was quickly replaced with another new one. It started on a small scale with players not worth a lot but in the summer of 06 we signed the likes of Oliseh, Tchanoute, Zesh Rehmann, Nick Ward and many others, by January they were all out of the first team and replaced by the likes of Bolder, Cullip, Idiakez, Timoska etc
That continued every year, we never looked for players who might be able to grow with the club, it was always short term fixes who would get us through the next month. We never looked at giving kids from the youth team a chance or investing in coaches and scouts at that level to improve kind of young players we had, instead more loans, more signings.
That got worse and more expensive in the Flavio years, the number of players we signed was incredible, so many loan players that we couldn’t fit them all in a match day squad. Players signed and replaced within a few months who would then go on to do well elsewhere and we’d wonder why. Managers brought in and gone within months. I won’t go through all the players but we signed a new squad in summer 07, replaced most of them in January 08, replaced them in summer of 08 and then another new squad in January 09. This continued every window with managers coming and going.
I’d sum up the QPR way in that decade as a gambler in a casino who keeps losing money but continues to spin the roulette wheel, trying different ways of doing it but keep spinning it and eventually the law of averages says you’ll win and we did when Warnock came in and he was a manager who knew what he wanted and how to get promoted. Yet still when we won the jackpot and went up we continued with the same thing, more signings, more managers, keep spinning that wheel rather than walk out of the casino a winner.
Even under Warnock we still needed 4/5 new signings in January to get us promoted and the following summer he signed a load of new players before the takeover, then another load in August and then in January Hughes came in and signed another load. So many changes and it just carried on. A minimum of six or seven new players every transfer window, usually all replaced within months. It was pure insanity and was never going to being long term success.
It all came to a head under Redknapp when many on here lost the plot over his transfer policy of new signings every five minutes and no youth players given a chance. In truth it was no different to what had gone on in the years before but under Redknapp it was a lot more obvious and the calls were for it to change. A return to what we used to be in bringing through our own players, signing hungry players who want to be here and building a team which can be added to but doesn’t need replacing every 12 weeks.
At the time I backed Redknapp mainly because we were a club with no self respect, the club we were just signed players after players with no real plan and no real idea how to use them and then we’d replace them all at the next opportunity. For that club Redknapp was perfect and if he’s gone in that promotion year he’d have just been replaced and we’d have continued with the same policy of spinning the roulette wheel and hoping to get lucky.
It’s not really what I wanted, I wanted a club who signed players with a plan, I wanted a club who would invest in the scouting and youth side of the club so that when we needed new players we had an idea of who to sign, when we got injuries we could dip into the youth team and give our own a chance, I wanted the club I grew up with and the club we had become was a very different and unlikeable one.
But to change to the old way was going to be hard, it required a Director of football to come in and give time and energy to the youth set up invest in coaches, look to add new players at those levels and care about the development of those players so move them up age groups, loan out players to get them some actual football and have players ready to come into the first team when needed. The Academy at QPR had been ignored for over 10 years and closed down under Gerry Francis so to fix it was always going to take years rather than months.
To be the club I wanted it also required at first team level to sacrifice short term results to bring in raw players who needed to be improved, players who wanted to play for QPR as it was a step up for them, not somewhere to come to make a few quid. If we have a game on Saturday and the left winger is injured for a few weeks throw in a kid and give them experience to get through those few weeks rather than sign Yossi Benayhoun.
We needed a director of football to take us out of the casino and start putting things right. When Redknapp went and Ferdinand looked to put this kind of dream into action it was for me the last chance we have to return to a football club to be proud of.
So that what was required from Ferdinand and all this needed to be done with a massive FFP fine over our head, half a squad of big money tosspots we couldn’t get rid of and an expectation that we still need to be good and competitive in a tough league every match. It was never going to be easy and in all likelihood the fans who screamed for this to happen were never going to have the patience to see it through.
So how has he done in the 1 year and 10 months he's been in the role?
On the academy I think he’s made good changes, for a start there is now a pathway to the first team, several kids have got into the first team in the last year, several others have gone on to play league one football on loan and the younger groups have moved up age levels to aide their development. Results at those levels have been dire but the success of an academy should not be about results, it’s about how many first team players are produced and so far the improvement in this area is there for all to see with Shodipo, Kakay and The Finnish fella whose name I can’t spell all getting a go this season.
On the transfer front we have signed players who see us as a step up, who want to play for us and all have ability to do well at this club and go on to do bigger things. Not all signings have worked but I’d rather see us sign the likes of Smithies, Luongo, Sylla, Bourisek, Cousins, Polter etc than the turds we were signing under Redknapp. We also have a squad that won't need major surgery in the next two windows, it won't need new players in every position, we'll just need to add some quality to what is a decent group. It’s not perfect but it’s a bloody good start and that’s why I think he’s doing a good job. Really I don't know what more he was expected to do in such a short space of time.
Ferdinand hasn’t got everything right. The two managerial appointments haven’t worked but neither were his sole decision, Ramsey was a typical whim from Fernandes after a good win but he fitted in with what Ferdinand wanted to do, sadly it didn’t work out. Same with JFH, we wanted an interview process, we wanted an up and coming manager and we got one of the best prospects who had done well in two jobs but for various reasons it hasn’t worked and in both cases Ferdinand has acted pretty quickly to make the change, he could easily have waited another month with this one but has stuck his neck on the line and made the change when many said he wouldn't.
Managerial appointments can always go wrong, there is no perfect way to do it and this one was done with Lee Hoos who has a very strong reputation for getting this kind of thing right. I’ve no idea who will be next but you can be sure some fans will slaughter the club whoever it is and spend the next few months desperate to be proved right.
Overall though I just hope Ferdinand stays and continues the excellent work he is doing, a lot of fans want him gone and will no doubt get their wish eventually but he's at least tried to end the insanity at the club. |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:22 - Nov 6 with 1423 views | daveB |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:14 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Exactly. Some of the ridiculous suggestions on here for manager (Ainsworth, Gallen, Derry, Hill, Bircham, Francis, Bignot) show that many fans are so blinkered by past ties they actually ignore whether the person has the credentials to do the job. Les was undoubtedly a wonderful player and remains a club legend but decent DoF he is not. |
Who is a decent director of football then and what would they need to do to make them decent? |  | | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:14 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Exactly. Some of the ridiculous suggestions on here for manager (Ainsworth, Gallen, Derry, Hill, Bircham, Francis, Bignot) show that many fans are so blinkered by past ties they actually ignore whether the person has the credentials to do the job. Les was undoubtedly a wonderful player and remains a club legend but decent DoF he is not. |
Why do you think he's not a decent DoF Benny? | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:39 - Nov 6 with 1384 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:22 - Nov 6 by daveB |
Who is a decent director of football then and what would they need to do to make them decent? |
Some previous experience in the role or similar director role would be ideal. At the very least I expect many years of managerial experience. Having a QPR connection is a nice-to-have but not critical.
Why has Hoos been so good? Because he has a track record delivering in the role at a similar club. It's not rocket science. [Post edited 6 Nov 2016 21:20]
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:44 - Nov 6 with 1379 views | TheChef |
This has to be another knee jerk Fernandes decision. And he's the owner. What he says goes.
I really cannot see this coming from Hoos and Ferdinand given all that has been said so far this season in support of JFH and what we are trying to do as a club.
Sadly Fernandes has the patience of a 5 year old. So desperately is he missing his beloved Premier League. |  |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:58 - Nov 6 with 1347 views | PunteR |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:39 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Some previous experience in the role or similar director role would be ideal. At the very least I expect many years of managerial experience. Having a QPR connection is a nice-to-have but not critical.
Why has Hoos been so good? Because he has a track record delivering in the role at a similar club. It's not rocket science. [Post edited 6 Nov 2016 21:20]
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Surely though you have to judge him on the work he's done here not what he would have done elsewhere.
Yes he's inexperienced ,it's his first job, but under the circumstances he's done well (imo) with moving on the high earners and signing up and coming players.
I didnt agree with how Green was treated but it was for the best of the club. We now have probably one of the best keepers in this league between the sticks.
Luongo,Polter, Lynch, Bidwell etc ,,these are good signings that within our new budget and circumstances can afford. Redknap was signing Beniyoun, Kranjcar,Benoît Assou-Ekotto on stupid money.
Ferdinand has done ok. | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:03 - Nov 6 with 1337 views | daveB |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:39 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Some previous experience in the role or similar director role would be ideal. At the very least I expect many years of managerial experience. Having a QPR connection is a nice-to-have but not critical.
Why has Hoos been so good? Because he has a track record delivering in the role at a similar club. It's not rocket science. [Post edited 6 Nov 2016 21:20]
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But 1st team managerial experience is irrelevant really as it's a different job. Les Read is fantastic in the role at Southampton and was a complete disaster as a first team manager
Hoos has a track record but he didn't when he started, he built that reputation over time which is what Ferdinand is trying to do | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:12 - Nov 6 with 1316 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 20:58 - Nov 6 by PunteR |
Surely though you have to judge him on the work he's done here not what he would have done elsewhere.
Yes he's inexperienced ,it's his first job, but under the circumstances he's done well (imo) with moving on the high earners and signing up and coming players.
I didnt agree with how Green was treated but it was for the best of the club. We now have probably one of the best keepers in this league between the sticks.
Luongo,Polter, Lynch, Bidwell etc ,,these are good signings that within our new budget and circumstances can afford. Redknap was signing Beniyoun, Kranjcar,Benoît Assou-Ekotto on stupid money.
Ferdinand has done ok. |
Perhaps but I find it too convenient that Les is somehow responsible for all the good stuff and Tony the bad. IMO Les had a big say in selecting the the last 2 managers, both of which were questionable appointments. In addition, his fractious relationship with Warnock prevented the latter from returning as full-time manager even though Neil got the team performing almost overnight. If Tactics Tim does come then that will certainly be Les' choice not Tony's. | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:14 - Nov 6 with 1314 views | CamberleyR |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:03 - Nov 6 by daveB |
But 1st team managerial experience is irrelevant really as it's a different job. Les Read is fantastic in the role at Southampton and was a complete disaster as a first team manager
Hoos has a track record but he didn't when he started, he built that reputation over time which is what Ferdinand is trying to do |
Spot on Dave and what job did Les Reed leave to take up the DOF type role at Southampton? Assistant manager at mighty Bishop's Stortford. He'd also never had a DOF role prior to Southampton.
Keep digging yourself into a hole Benny The Troll. |  |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:19 - Nov 6 with 1168 views | daveB |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:12 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Perhaps but I find it too convenient that Les is somehow responsible for all the good stuff and Tony the bad. IMO Les had a big say in selecting the the last 2 managers, both of which were questionable appointments. In addition, his fractious relationship with Warnock prevented the latter from returning as full-time manager even though Neil got the team performing almost overnight. If Tactics Tim does come then that will certainly be Les' choice not Tony's. |
Not sure anyone is saying he is responsible for all the good, he's made mistakes and is far from perfect but think overall he has done well.
Of course he had a big say over the last 2 managers but he wasn't the only one. I would agree if Sherwood comes in then that is clearly his choice and will be one that he'll putting his job on the line for.
Disagree about Warnock though, he's a good manager but didn't get the job as he said he didn't want it until too late | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:31 - Nov 6 with 1141 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:03 - Nov 6 by daveB |
But 1st team managerial experience is irrelevant really as it's a different job. Les Read is fantastic in the role at Southampton and was a complete disaster as a first team manager
Hoos has a track record but he didn't when he started, he built that reputation over time which is what Ferdinand is trying to do |
Managerial experience is entirely relevant. Hoos held an executive role at Harrods before Al Fayed moved him to the boardroom at Fulham. He later went on to be chief exec at Southampton, Leicester and Burnley before joining QPR. Meanwhile Les did a spot of backroom coaching at Spurs. | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:33 - Nov 6 with 1138 views | DannytheR |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:12 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Perhaps but I find it too convenient that Les is somehow responsible for all the good stuff and Tony the bad. IMO Les had a big say in selecting the the last 2 managers, both of which were questionable appointments. In addition, his fractious relationship with Warnock prevented the latter from returning as full-time manager even though Neil got the team performing almost overnight. If Tactics Tim does come then that will certainly be Les' choice not Tony's. |
"Neil got the team performing almost overnight."
Serious question - did you actually go to any of those matches? | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:37 - Nov 6 with 1116 views | daveB |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:31 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Managerial experience is entirely relevant. Hoos held an executive role at Harrods before Al Fayed moved him to the boardroom at Fulham. He later went on to be chief exec at Southampton, Leicester and Burnley before joining QPR. Meanwhile Les did a spot of backroom coaching at Spurs. |
I think 1st team managerial experience is irrelevant to a director of football role the skillset is very different and usually managers struggle in the role people like Venables, Francis and Redknapp did far better as managers than they did as director of football as the job isn't just about the first team. | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:45 - Nov 6 with 1100 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:31 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Managerial experience is entirely relevant. Hoos held an executive role at Harrods before Al Fayed moved him to the boardroom at Fulham. He later went on to be chief exec at Southampton, Leicester and Burnley before joining QPR. Meanwhile Les did a spot of backroom coaching at Spurs. |
"Meanwhile Les did a spot of backroom coaching at Spurs."
You're clearly on a wind-up. "A spot of backroom coaching"? Ferdinand spent seven years working his way up at Tottenham and meanwhile got all his badges, took a degree and became a qualified DoF.
True, this was his first DoF gig and, ya, we get it - you don't think he's doing a good job but "a spot of backroom coaching"? Be serious. | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:03 - Nov 6 with 1073 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 21:45 - Nov 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"Meanwhile Les did a spot of backroom coaching at Spurs."
You're clearly on a wind-up. "A spot of backroom coaching"? Ferdinand spent seven years working his way up at Tottenham and meanwhile got all his badges, took a degree and became a qualified DoF.
True, this was his first DoF gig and, ya, we get it - you don't think he's doing a good job but "a spot of backroom coaching"? Be serious. |
His DoF "qualification" is a course called On Board - an initiative aimed at getting more ethnic minorities in key positions at football clubs. Chris Ramsey took the same course. His prior experience was 5.5 years at Spurs as striker coach. | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:16 - Nov 6 with 1052 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:03 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
His DoF "qualification" is a course called On Board - an initiative aimed at getting more ethnic minorities in key positions at football clubs. Chris Ramsey took the same course. His prior experience was 5.5 years at Spurs as striker coach. |
He may have done that, that's news to me, but he also did a degree in being a DoF and being a Sports Director, Benny. | |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:17 - Nov 6 with 1048 views | isawqpratwcity |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 14:16 - Nov 6 by PlanetHonneywood |
Yup, and I'd also like to know; why and on what basis he got the job in the first place? |
I said he deserves more credit, I never said anything about on what basis he was appointed.
He deserves more credit because he is part of a management structure that has successfully reversed our previous profligate policy of 'throw money at a reputation' to solve any problem. If you want to believe that that policy is entirely the reason he was appointed, fine, that's up to you, but our transfer recent history and squad salary has demonstrated an astuteness that wasn't there before. Who would you attribute that to, Hoos? What does he know about a particular footballer's skill set? Fernandes? Not in my humble opinion. Argue a contribution from Ramsay and Hasselbaink (and I do) and the case for their dismissals is undercut.
I also thought the appointments of both Ramsay and Hasselbaink were reasonable (not that I knew much about either of them at the time) and I am disappointed that both of them have been sacked when things weren't going that badly. I am mildly concerned that that may indicate a lack of resilience on Ferdinand's part against an unhappy Chairman and/or Board. |  |
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| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:22 - Nov 6 with 1033 views | daveB |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:03 - Nov 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
His DoF "qualification" is a course called On Board - an initiative aimed at getting more ethnic minorities in key positions at football clubs. Chris Ramsey took the same course. His prior experience was 5.5 years at Spurs as striker coach. |
In all honesty I don't care what his qualifications are. Mark Hughes had a fantastic cv but was crap for us. My main concern is what he's done since taking on the role and in very difficult circumstances he has done well | | | |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:32 - Nov 6 with 1017 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| 9 Days Is A Long Time In Football! on 22:16 - Nov 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
He may have done that, that's news to me, but he also did a degree in being a DoF and being a Sports Director, Benny. |
Still, the experience is lacking and the championship is not the place to cut your teeth. That said, I feel more comfortable that he has Hoos alongside to nurture him. | | | |
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