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Benny is back!! 22:19 - Sep 16 with 11642 viewsLblock

You apologists and happy clappers can do one

The man is clueless or stubborn

I'll add to this when I've calmed down but if you saw anything positive in his selection, tactics or change tonight I'd love to hear from you (Antti)
My view would be the same even if we'd sneaked a late winner

4-2-3-1 at home time after time after time after time is an insult

Goodnght

Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal

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Benny is back!! on 12:50 - Sep 17 with 1576 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 12:47 - Sep 17 by 2Thomas2Bowles

It's called having a plan B, C..., A good coach will try different things in training not just stick to one idea
It's funny how second half's pick up, most likely as some of the players are telling how to do his job
I think he is stubborn, can't think outside whatever "system" he has in his head
We see that time and time again.

I also think he was hoping this season would be just about staying up so could get away with bad results and poor play.

Now there is presser and he is not up to it.
[Post edited 17 Sep 2015 12:52]


That is the classic anti manager argument

Bad perf = manager's fault

Good perf = players get the credit

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Benny is back!! on 12:51 - Sep 17 with 1575 viewsR_from_afar

Benny is back!! on 11:15 - Sep 17 by ozexile

I may be on my own here and I didn't see the game but having watched us for over 35 years I can guess the type of performance it was. I believe that the 4-3-2-1 if played correctly can be very attacking. I also think we certainly have the attacking players to make it work. But those same players have to take responsibility for it to work. Ramsay can only send them out there with a plan its up to them to execute it.


Great point. It's not just down to Ramsey, the players need to deliver. Imagine if the whole team put in Mackie levels of effort... Phew, we would do some damage.

RFA

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Benny is back!! on 12:56 - Sep 17 with 1566 views2Thomas2Bowles

Benny is back!! on 12:50 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul

That is the classic anti manager argument

Bad perf = manager's fault

Good perf = players get the credit



I thought he is a coach

Anti bad Manager/coach YEP

When willl this CV nightmare end
Poll: What will the result of the GE be

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Benny is back!! on 13:08 - Sep 17 with 1531 viewsDeepcutHoop

*Checks league table*

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Benny is back!! on 13:16 - Sep 17 with 1508 viewspaulparker

Benny is back!! on 12:44 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul

Its not a poor argument

W3 D2 L2 are not sacking stats, if they were we, and most other teams. would have new managers every 2 months.

Absurd we have this after EVERY match we don't win - pointless.


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And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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Benny is back!! on 13:33 - Sep 17 with 1476 viewspaulparker

Benny is back!! on 12:44 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul

Its not a poor argument

W3 D2 L2 are not sacking stats, if they were we, and most other teams. would have new managers every 2 months.

Absurd we have this after EVERY match we don't win - pointless.


You wont have it will you Pinner
you backed Arry to the end (only to then s lagg him off when he left) and you were probabley the same with Hughes
i get it your Mr QPR who wont have anything bad to say about anyone at the club and you wear QPR rose tinted specs , fair enough

im judging from what ive seen since Febuary , Ramsey has had Arrys team and now his own , he has had probabley the second highest budget in the league, this is now his team , so no excusues , but lets break it down to this year as we who have a go are only allowed to judge from this year , so
We have conceded 2 goals every home game , we continue to isolate our star player
we cannot defend and nor do we look like keeping clean sheets, there is no plan B,
choice of subs is shocking, taking his best 2 players off in 3 home games now,
being outwitted by dougie freedman, our play is pedestrian , he cannot or will not change systems, the constant picking of Henry , being dumped out of the league cup by a struggling div 2 team
these are all valid points, its not absurd that we have debates, the man isnt good enough to manage QPR pure & simple,
i get we need change, i get we need to start again but it doesnt mean we have to settle for 10th best in Ramsey who is bang out of his depth

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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Benny is back!! on 13:42 - Sep 17 with 1458 viewsellersliehoop

Benny is back!! on 12:51 - Sep 17 by R_from_afar

Great point. It's not just down to Ramsey, the players need to deliver. Imagine if the whole team put in Mackie levels of effort... Phew, we would do some damage.

RFA


Lets assume it's the players............

So why then if the players aren't performing not make some substitutions? He waits far too long, and then makes the wrong decisions

Replacing Lluongo on Saturday was ridiculous, then when we had to chase the game we were missing arguably our best player
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Benny is back!! on 14:22 - Sep 17 with 1411 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 13:33 - Sep 17 by paulparker

You wont have it will you Pinner
you backed Arry to the end (only to then s lagg him off when he left) and you were probabley the same with Hughes
i get it your Mr QPR who wont have anything bad to say about anyone at the club and you wear QPR rose tinted specs , fair enough

im judging from what ive seen since Febuary , Ramsey has had Arrys team and now his own , he has had probabley the second highest budget in the league, this is now his team , so no excusues , but lets break it down to this year as we who have a go are only allowed to judge from this year , so
We have conceded 2 goals every home game , we continue to isolate our star player
we cannot defend and nor do we look like keeping clean sheets, there is no plan B,
choice of subs is shocking, taking his best 2 players off in 3 home games now,
being outwitted by dougie freedman, our play is pedestrian , he cannot or will not change systems, the constant picking of Henry , being dumped out of the league cup by a struggling div 2 team
these are all valid points, its not absurd that we have debates, the man isnt good enough to manage QPR pure & simple,
i get we need change, i get we need to start again but it doesnt mean we have to settle for 10th best in Ramsey who is bang out of his depth


and the changing managers has got us where exactly?

I've said this before and will say again, do you not think players have to take ANY responsibility?

Lots on here will praise players when we do well and blame manager when we don't - you don't concede that is a little one eyed?

I also get that people unhappy when we lose but it wouldn't matter who manager was, if he lost more than a couple you would get people on here asking for (another) change.

Everything would be rosy without Hughes & then it was just get rid of Redknapp we'll be fine, now its get rid of Ramsey and we'll walk the league.
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Benny is back!! on 14:29 - Sep 17 with 1399 viewsLadbrokeR

Benny is back!! on 12:51 - Sep 17 by R_from_afar

Great point. It's not just down to Ramsey, the players need to deliver. Imagine if the whole team put in Mackie levels of effort... Phew, we would do some damage.

RFA


This all a bit chicken and egg. It's the mangers job to make the players play. Infact one of Mourinhos greatest traits is his ability to motivate millionaires. I really want Ramsay to suceed but watching Henry and Tozer attempting to marshall a back four at home is it really necessary aside from the fact that it's not working. The point i'm making is that the decision to play this way is the managers. Ok 4231 has the potential to be attacking but on available evidence it isn't for us. I agree the players need to step up and when they came out at half time they looked like they had stepped up a gear. That said this system doesn't work at home. That was Blacburn who i believe haven't won a game.
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Benny is back!! on 14:35 - Sep 17 with 1386 views2Thomas2Bowles

Benny is back!! on 14:22 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul

and the changing managers has got us where exactly?

I've said this before and will say again, do you not think players have to take ANY responsibility?

Lots on here will praise players when we do well and blame manager when we don't - you don't concede that is a little one eyed?

I also get that people unhappy when we lose but it wouldn't matter who manager was, if he lost more than a couple you would get people on here asking for (another) change.

Everything would be rosy without Hughes & then it was just get rid of Redknapp we'll be fine, now its get rid of Ramsey and we'll walk the league.


But it was not get rid of Redknapp and get CR was it

Many never wanted CR, it's not kneejerk he is just not rated since he came.

When willl this CV nightmare end
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Benny is back!! on 14:37 - Sep 17 with 1382 viewspaulparker

Benny is back!! on 14:22 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul

and the changing managers has got us where exactly?

I've said this before and will say again, do you not think players have to take ANY responsibility?

Lots on here will praise players when we do well and blame manager when we don't - you don't concede that is a little one eyed?

I also get that people unhappy when we lose but it wouldn't matter who manager was, if he lost more than a couple you would get people on here asking for (another) change.

Everything would be rosy without Hughes & then it was just get rid of Redknapp we'll be fine, now its get rid of Ramsey and we'll walk the league.


And appointing crap managers has also got us where exactly ?

so why didnt we go through an interview process , that way maybe then we could have got a bloke in who knows what he is doing , we didnt and went with mr cheap
a real waste considering some of the managers who may have been avaliable

you can play well and lose , thats fine , you have the odd blip or 3 during the season thats fine but Ramsey has had since Feb now to sort out at least the back four into a unit , he has failed miserabley at that, when do the excuses stop ?? its his team now ,
we shouldnt walk this league no one has any right to do that, but he has probabley the best squad we have ever had at championship level and is making a dogs dinner of it

as for players taking responsibility read the reply i gave ozexcile

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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Benny is back!! on 15:01 - Sep 17 with 1337 viewsadhoc_qpr

Ultimately, at the moment we're 8th in the table, with 11 points from 7 games which is OK for a recently relegated and rebuilt team.

I personally think the cracks and Ramsey's limitations are starting to show, but if he can sort his team odd team selections and in game tactics out we have ample quality to push for promotion.
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Benny is back!! on 15:58 - Sep 17 with 1284 viewsAntti_Heinola

Benny is back!! on 14:37 - Sep 17 by paulparker

And appointing crap managers has also got us where exactly ?

so why didnt we go through an interview process , that way maybe then we could have got a bloke in who knows what he is doing , we didnt and went with mr cheap
a real waste considering some of the managers who may have been avaliable

you can play well and lose , thats fine , you have the odd blip or 3 during the season thats fine but Ramsey has had since Feb now to sort out at least the back four into a unit , he has failed miserabley at that, when do the excuses stop ?? its his team now ,
we shouldnt walk this league no one has any right to do that, but he has probabley the best squad we have ever had at championship level and is making a dogs dinner of it

as for players taking responsibility read the reply i gave ozexcile


we interviewed Sherwood. He didn't want it.
Still, he's doing a CRACKING job at Villa, ain't he?
Wasn't he your pick?

Bare bones.

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Benny is back!! on 16:19 - Sep 17 with 1269 viewsTheBlob

Benny is back!! on 15:58 - Sep 17 by Antti_Heinola

we interviewed Sherwood. He didn't want it.
Still, he's doing a CRACKING job at Villa, ain't he?
Wasn't he your pick?


Villa are doing better than Chelsea.

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Benny is back!! on 18:12 - Sep 17 with 1215 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 14:37 - Sep 17 by paulparker

And appointing crap managers has also got us where exactly ?

so why didnt we go through an interview process , that way maybe then we could have got a bloke in who knows what he is doing , we didnt and went with mr cheap
a real waste considering some of the managers who may have been avaliable

you can play well and lose , thats fine , you have the odd blip or 3 during the season thats fine but Ramsey has had since Feb now to sort out at least the back four into a unit , he has failed miserabley at that, when do the excuses stop ?? its his team now ,
we shouldnt walk this league no one has any right to do that, but he has probabley the best squad we have ever had at championship level and is making a dogs dinner of it

as for players taking responsibility read the reply i gave ozexcile


Its all opinions isn't it,

Just think Pld 7 lost 2 is a strange time to sack anyone!
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Benny is back!! on 18:13 - Sep 17 with 1213 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 11:21 - Sep 17 by DejR_vu

The recent performances, first half in particular, suggest either:

1) They don't know what they are supposed to be doing;
2) They don't believe in what they are being asked to do;
3) They're not motivated.

All roads lead to CR.


and the 2nd half improvements after CR half time talk is down to.................?
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Benny is back!! on 18:14 - Sep 17 with 1211 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 11:19 - Sep 17 by BazzaInTheLoft

Not on your own mate. There is at least two of us.


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Benny is back!! on 18:16 - Sep 17 with 1208 viewsR_from_afar

Benny is back!! on 13:42 - Sep 17 by ellersliehoop

Lets assume it's the players............

So why then if the players aren't performing not make some substitutions? He waits far too long, and then makes the wrong decisions

Replacing Lluongo on Saturday was ridiculous, then when we had to chase the game we were missing arguably our best player


I can't argue with you re. Lluongo, that does seem bizarre...

RFA

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Benny is back!! on 18:17 - Sep 17 with 1207 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 16:19 - Sep 17 by TheBlob

Villa are doing better than Chelsea.


So are 16 other managers at the moment!

SOMETHING we can ALL be pleased about!
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Benny is back!! on 18:19 - Sep 17 with 1202 viewsGetMeRangers

Benny is back!! on 18:13 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul

and the 2nd half improvements after CR half time talk is down to.................?


Down to a nice cup of tea and catching up with the Great British Bake off... obviously
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Benny is back!! on 18:22 - Sep 17 with 1200 viewsR_from_afar

Benny is back!! on 14:29 - Sep 17 by LadbrokeR

This all a bit chicken and egg. It's the mangers job to make the players play. Infact one of Mourinhos greatest traits is his ability to motivate millionaires. I really want Ramsay to suceed but watching Henry and Tozer attempting to marshall a back four at home is it really necessary aside from the fact that it's not working. The point i'm making is that the decision to play this way is the managers. Ok 4231 has the potential to be attacking but on available evidence it isn't for us. I agree the players need to step up and when they came out at half time they looked like they had stepped up a gear. That said this system doesn't work at home. That was Blacburn who i believe haven't won a game.


OK granted, the manager has a role to play in terms of motivating the players but surely they can also motivate themselves a bit? You know, take some pride in their work. I'm making a general point here by the way.

It's not like they're being asked to go down a mine or something...

RFA

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Benny is back!! on 18:25 - Sep 17 with 1198 viewsR_from_afar

Benny is back!! on 15:01 - Sep 17 by adhoc_qpr

Ultimately, at the moment we're 8th in the table, with 11 points from 7 games which is OK for a recently relegated and rebuilt team.

I personally think the cracks and Ramsey's limitations are starting to show, but if he can sort his team odd team selections and in game tactics out we have ample quality to push for promotion.


You are this week's star baker! Nice balanced view there. Respect.

RFA

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Benny is back!! on 18:27 - Sep 17 with 1196 viewsR_from_afar

Benny is back!! on 16:19 - Sep 17 by TheBlob

Villa are doing better than Chelsea.


Get back to me on that when the crocuses are coming up, Blob
RFA

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Benny is back!! on 18:44 - Sep 17 with 1182 viewsPinnerPaul

Benny is back!! on 18:27 - Sep 17 by R_from_afar

Get back to me on that when the crocuses are coming up, Blob
RFA


Yes agree but we can enjoy it while it lasts!
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Benny is back!! on 19:21 - Sep 17 with 1159 viewspaulparker

Benny is back!! on 15:58 - Sep 17 by Antti_Heinola

we interviewed Sherwood. He didn't want it.
Still, he's doing a CRACKING job at Villa, ain't he?
Wasn't he your pick?


ha ha ha no he wasn't my pick , oh dear not another knee jerk

Oh and if you read my previous posts you will know who I wanted

But going back to sherwood are you telling me keeping a team up and getting to a an FA cup final is not doing a good job ??

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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