| Labour - private rent controls 06:46 - Apr 26 with 15565 views | sevenhoop |
Can anyone with any ntelligence still think that Labour can be the answer? Their latest old-fashioned failed socialist policy must make people realise that these people are economically intellectual pygmies. How on earth will rent controls and making it less attractive for landlords to rent by making them rent for minimum 3 years help with the supply of private rental properties?! This was already tried for decades and caused a massive shortage because potential landlords stopped buying ffs! So they'll be nothing to rent!
The problem is caused by classic supply and demand. What needs to happen is to stop so many people coming across our borders and pushing up demand, whilst continuing to free up the planning process and getting more properties built.
All these policies of interfering with the market will never ever work and will actually have the diametrically opposite effect to that intended.
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| Labour - private rent controls on 14:40 - Apr 26 with 2528 views | HollowayRanger |
why cant they just build very basic houses/flats for those in real need but with no right to buy and once those living there have either improved their status ie savings better job ect they have to move out and pay proper rent or put down payments on a place
also theres no way any one on welfare/benefits should be able to claim more then the so called standard working average think its about £24,000 , and no child benefit after 2nd child if you cant afford to keep children DONT have them
and before you ask my ladies can ones on £1750 a week ,I don't even get that a month! |  |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 15:03 - Apr 26 with 2497 views | AgedR |
| Labour - private rent controls on 10:32 - Apr 26 by essextaxiboy |
But isnt NHS is in crisis ?? Thats what Ed keps telling us , first class treatment and bedside manner , surely some mistake ?
Your point on immigrant NHS workers is a good one , but can be countered somewhat by the immigrant patients they are treating . As with housing its a simple matter of mathematics .
The time to give up will be when Ed Milliband enters Downing Street with Nicola Sturgeon tugging at one testicle and Len Mcluskey tugging on the other one . |
Obviously we have different opinions, which is what makes life worth living tbh. However, I really have never understood the fear of lobbying groups which (whether or not it's as democratic as it could be) is a representative voice of working people, while at the same time we welcome with open arms business lobbying groups and pseudo independent 'think tanks' who represent a tiny minority of the interests of capital.
Disco's straw poll is interesting and I think may point to a Tory majority government. It's also fascinating to me how the left have embraced the SNP (a scottish nationalist party) whilst demonising UKIP (an English nationalist party). It's intellectual chauvinism from the left if you ask me. At that's from an old fashioned dialectic red. |  |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 15:09 - Apr 26 with 2484 views | AgedR |
| Labour - private rent controls on 10:57 - Apr 26 by sevenhoop |
Oh dear. You've missed the point. It's about supply and demand. It's a failed socialist policy from the 1970s and looking at your username, you presumably would be able to remember that. It didn't work then and won't work now and, as I said, will have exactly the opposite effect to that intended; that is my point, it won't do what's it's leading people to believe it will do.
Never mind, eh, at least it will pander to those unbelievable number of people who think that "bashing the rich" (if that what is intended to look like) is the answer, notwithstanding that those very people generate the wealth that those very people rely on for jobs, safety nets, NHS etc.
Still, at least it's something for me to think about other than seeing Karl Henry on the pitch for 90 minutes at left-half in a game we had to win. |
So I'm an unintelligent, economic Pygmy, who's missed the point. I'm surprised I have enough wit to wipe my bum in the mornings.
Perhaps a job on the board at QPR awaits?
Oh and I'm not that old, but, I can remember the 70s. Particularly 1975/76... [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 15:10]
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| Labour - private rent controls on 15:16 - Apr 26 with 2470 views | NW5Hoop |
| Labour - private rent controls on 15:03 - Apr 26 by AgedR |
Obviously we have different opinions, which is what makes life worth living tbh. However, I really have never understood the fear of lobbying groups which (whether or not it's as democratic as it could be) is a representative voice of working people, while at the same time we welcome with open arms business lobbying groups and pseudo independent 'think tanks' who represent a tiny minority of the interests of capital.
Disco's straw poll is interesting and I think may point to a Tory majority government. It's also fascinating to me how the left have embraced the SNP (a scottish nationalist party) whilst demonising UKIP (an English nationalist party). It's intellectual chauvinism from the left if you ask me. At that's from an old fashioned dialectic red. |
The SNP's social and economic policies are to the left of Labour, while Ukip's social and economic policies are to the right of the Tories. That's why the English left are more enthusiastic about the SNP than Ukip; nothing to do with "intelllectual chauvinism", whatever that is. |  | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 15:17 - Apr 26 with 2467 views | NW5Hoop |
| Labour - private rent controls on 14:40 - Apr 26 by HollowayRanger |
why cant they just build very basic houses/flats for those in real need but with no right to buy and once those living there have either improved their status ie savings better job ect they have to move out and pay proper rent or put down payments on a place
also theres no way any one on welfare/benefits should be able to claim more then the so called standard working average think its about £24,000 , and no child benefit after 2nd child if you cant afford to keep children DONT have them
and before you ask my ladies can ones on £1750 a week ,I don't even get that a month! |
And what happens if they do have more children than you approve of? Do you let the children starve? | | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 15:44 - Apr 26 with 2433 views | AgedR |
| Labour - private rent controls on 15:16 - Apr 26 by NW5Hoop |
The SNP's social and economic policies are to the left of Labour, while Ukip's social and economic policies are to the right of the Tories. That's why the English left are more enthusiastic about the SNP than Ukip; nothing to do with "intelllectual chauvinism", whatever that is. |
Yes the UKIP is more right wing and the SNP more left. But they are both, at their core, nationalist parties. Their similarities in central belief far outweigh policy differences, which, like all the parties, are relatively minor.
By refusing to acknowledge this and concentrating on attacking the 'nasty' UKIPs I think the left intelligentsia has simultaneously spoken down to a large percentage of an alienated public in the UK while acting as a poor advocate for scottish voters.
Which is what I meant by intellectual chauvinism. Although, granted, it was a pretty obtuse and flowery expression, maybe more suited to pseuds corner... | |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 16:42 - Apr 26 with 2351 views | W5R |
Religion has no place in the world.
Politics however does - don't you remember how we were all treated under Thatcher?
And re "who to vote for" - you have to consider the system and safe seats
Well, lets take the Uxbridge Road.
Live in Uxbridge and Conservatives will win. Live in Hayes and Labour will win. Live in Southall and Labour will win. Live in Ealing and that's 50/50. Live in Acton and Labour will win. Live in W12 and Labour will win.
Our close fan base are Labour and Ealing aside (although Labour are leading the polls there) that won't be changing anytime soon.
No self respecting working class football fan would ever vote Conservative. Only the scum and their "fans" do that. |  | | |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 16:50 - Apr 26 with 2330 views | danehoop |
| Labour - private rent controls on 10:47 - Apr 26 by SpiritofGregory |
Labour do not know how to run an economy.
Miliband is not to be trusted. |
Now that you have given those sage words of advice, I am certainly voting Labour. |  |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 17:16 - Apr 26 with 2282 views | HollowayRanger |
I earn £16,000 a year so I still count myself as working class
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thatcher made me rich buy bringing in right to buy we turned £28,000 in early 1990's into £500,000+ today
cant stand any of the parties of today they are all lying and none give a fig about us ,so of a rotton lot im voting ukip for three reasons
1. tories and labour have both had enough chances to screw us up ,
2 ukip wants Britain to rule itself not Europe
3 only ukip is brave enough to say we are full up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32471755
only have to watch this to see they are bloody mates cut of the same cloth none care about us only about being top dog lording it over us [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 17:33]
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| Labour - private rent controls on 17:34 - Apr 26 with 2249 views | Discodroids |
| Labour - private rent controls on 14:31 - Apr 26 by W5R |
The only Premiership football club constituency that voted for Conservatives at the last election was Chelsea.
Support Labour or support another team. Football fans ACROSS THE UK are Labour, QPR fans are Labour, Londoners are Labour.
Something odd with you if you aren't the same. |
support labour or support another team!..how can i put this . fu ck that ! never me old china, never.never.never.
im from a long line of east enders going back over 150 years and ther've always supported labour, my grandad and dad worked on the print for the daily mirror for a combined 76 years and red ted, my grandad lost his hearing to the printing presses. ive seen what supporting a bunch of chinless fu ck planks from millbank who waltz into the east end in white paper suits and shake hands with the local rasta , before going home to die of fright and burning said paper suit ,every 4 or 5 years to get your vote ,gets you.
living in a shithole. abandonded.forgotten .abused.
these fkrs have relied on tradition and become complacent . arrogant thinking that working class east enders will still vote labour cause they have red DNA in them. docile quisilings . fk that. People like my old man And his generation are turning away from labour yes, some to vote for other parties but many abstaining.
one thing they wont do is fack off to essex like thousands of other labour voters have done. they were born there and despite labour and emily thornberry best efforts , they will fackin well die there.
to me, if you vote labour thats odd , but fu ck me i wouldnt tell other people on here to support another team. espescially some of the gadges on here who have been going 40 , 50 years . ive only been going since 1977 the year of drowning in salaiva with the slits, banshees and buzzocks. i'll be fked seven ways from sunday by winston sillcott up the starfish if im going off to support another team because i wouldnt use a red labour rosette to clean lord janners harry monk up with.
by any means necessary. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 17:44]
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| Labour - private rent controls on 17:42 - Apr 26 with 2240 views | paulparker |
| Labour - private rent controls on 17:34 - Apr 26 by Discodroids |
support labour or support another team!..how can i put this . fu ck that ! never me old china, never.never.never.
im from a long line of east enders going back over 150 years and ther've always supported labour, my grandad and dad worked on the print for the daily mirror for a combined 76 years and red ted, my grandad lost his hearing to the printing presses. ive seen what supporting a bunch of chinless fu ck planks from millbank who waltz into the east end in white paper suits and shake hands with the local rasta , before going home to die of fright and burning said paper suit ,every 4 or 5 years to get your vote ,gets you.
living in a shithole. abandonded.forgotten .abused.
these fkrs have relied on tradition and become complacent . arrogant thinking that working class east enders will still vote labour cause they have red DNA in them. docile quisilings . fk that. People like my old man And his generation are turning away from labour yes, some to vote for other parties but many abstaining.
one thing they wont do is fack off to essex like thousands of other labour voters have done. they were born there and despite labour and emily thornberry best efforts , they will fackin well die there.
to me, if you vote labour thats odd , but fu ck me i wouldnt tell other people on here to support another team. espescially some of the gadges on here who have been going 40 , 50 years . ive only been going since 1977 the year of drowning in salaiva with the slits, banshees and buzzocks. i'll be fked seven ways from sunday by winston sillcott up the starfish if im going off to support another team because i wouldnt use a red labour rosette to clean lord janners harry monk up with.
by any means necessary. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 17:44]
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To true my old mate
That labour government has set this country back 40 years
Poor NHS
Overcrowded schools with every nationality going
Overcrowded housing
No chance for 1st time buyers
A claim society
A phoney war
Sold our gold reserves
A open house for immigration
You name it brown & Blair have fcuked U.S.
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| Labour - private rent controls on 17:46 - Apr 26 with 2231 views | karl |
| Labour - private rent controls on 17:16 - Apr 26 by HollowayRanger |
I earn £16,000 a year so I still count myself as working class
but
thatcher made me rich buy bringing in right to buy we turned £28,000 in early 1990's into £500,000+ today
cant stand any of the parties of today they are all lying and none give a fig about us ,so of a rotton lot im voting ukip for three reasons
1. tories and labour have both had enough chances to screw us up ,
2 ukip wants Britain to rule itself not Europe
3 only ukip is brave enough to say we are full up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32471755
only have to watch this to see they are bloody mates cut of the same cloth none care about us only about being top dog lording it over us [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 17:33]
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Unfortunately that system worked for just one generation and has caused untold problems for the following ones.
In Scotland we don't have the 'problems' of increasing population through immigration yet we do have a shortage of affordable housing too. There's far too many houses bought for investment and lie empty the whole time, I used to live in a rural area and about 25% of the houses were holiday homes owned by non residents of Orkney.
25 years ago the wages in Orkney were crap (a builders labourer would earn £120-140 gross a week) but flats and houses were plentiful and affordable. Bedsits were about £10 -15 a week and houses were selling for less than £20k for a modest ready to live in property.
Nowadays wages are of course much better but the housing situation can make it seem as though it is impossible to get on the property ladder and create a much more unfair society, if the Tories are all about social mobility then unfortunately the 'right to buy' policy has long term held back a huge proportion of the country. |  | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 17:48 - Apr 26 with 2226 views | Discodroids |
| Labour - private rent controls on 17:42 - Apr 26 by paulparker |
To true my old mate
That labour government has set this country back 40 years
Poor NHS
Overcrowded schools with every nationality going
Overcrowded housing
No chance for 1st time buyers
A claim society
A phoney war
Sold our gold reserves
A open house for immigration
You name it brown & Blair have fcuked U.S.
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thats up to them pp if they want to vote labour, good luck to em, but dont come on here and tell me to support another team cause i empty my chamber pot over the head of any labour candidate who knock on my door.
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| Labour - private rent controls on 18:24 - Apr 26 with 2179 views | Juzzie |
| Labour - private rent controls on 15:17 - Apr 26 by NW5Hoop |
And what happens if they do have more children than you approve of? Do you let the children starve? |
The children wont starve.
Sorry, really annoys me that people (not you) think that everyone else should pay for their large family.
My brother and i lived on very little and we managed. My dad was a musician and money came in erractically. My mum had a stall in goldborne road on Saturdays and we were supplimented by a very basic child benefit, very basic. My mum didnt have more kids because she knew we couldnt afford to and the state wouldnt have helped any further back then.
Now the state is pandering to people and its encouraging people to have more kids so they can get bigger homes that is also not helping.
A family just moved (by the council) into a 1930's 3 bed house over the road, EIGHT children. Even with a loft conversion (now 4 bedrooms) paid for by the taxpayer the house is not designed for 10 people, 4-5 at most. They're causing their neighbours either side, one a working family the other a retired couple, havoc and the police have been around a few times already due to noise and apparently kids being locked in bedrooms.
The state feeds these people to have more kids. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 22:35]
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| ols on 18:37 - Apr 26 with 1793 views | Brightonhoop |
| ols on 12:14 - Apr 26 by sevenhoop |
wondered when you'd pop out of the woodwork.
I'm not "blaming immigrants". Our population is rampantly out of control, to the extent that we cannot say with any accuracy just what the net migration is. You quite correctly agree that it's supply and demand. Ergo, you cannot then argue that immigration has nothing to do with the issue - why is it a "million miles devoid from reality". The reason that we need to build a load more houses, as again you correctly argue, is because our population increase is out of control. Simple.
And, to get back to the original point, none of the issues will be solved (in fact they will be made worse) than today's old-fashioned proved-that-it-doesn't work socialist ideological crap. |
Where's the ideology.? Private sector cannot provide social housing, fact, sel houses without restocking, or anything, and the supply shortage screws everything. Do so for 30 years with next to know building and it is the Market that is out of control. Fact, no ideology. |  | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 18:41 - Apr 26 with 1787 views | NW5Hoop |
I presume everyone who bought their council home under right-to-buy wholeheartedly opposes the cutting back of welfare provision (the welfare budget includes the NHS, by the way) and benefits, given they got a bloody great gift from the state. After, all in the words of the Tory minister who oversaw it, "no single piece of legislation has enabled the transfer of so much capital wealth from the state to the people", what with the discounts of between 33% and 50% on the market price. | | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:26 - Apr 26 with 1739 views | gobbles |
| Labour - private rent controls on 14:31 - Apr 26 by W5R |
The only Premiership football club constituency that voted for Conservatives at the last election was Chelsea.
Support Labour or support another team. Football fans ACROSS THE UK are Labour, QPR fans are Labour, Londoners are Labour.
Something odd with you if you aren't the same. |
What a strange post, obviously not a fan of free thought. "Londoners are Labour", so that's why there is a Conservative mayor I suppose? If you live in W5, you probably have a Conservative MP too. |  | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:38 - Apr 26 with 1725 views | slranger40 |
| Labour - private rent controls on 15:44 - Apr 26 by AgedR |
Yes the UKIP is more right wing and the SNP more left. But they are both, at their core, nationalist parties. Their similarities in central belief far outweigh policy differences, which, like all the parties, are relatively minor.
By refusing to acknowledge this and concentrating on attacking the 'nasty' UKIPs I think the left intelligentsia has simultaneously spoken down to a large percentage of an alienated public in the UK while acting as a poor advocate for scottish voters.
Which is what I meant by intellectual chauvinism. Although, granted, it was a pretty obtuse and flowery expression, maybe more suited to pseuds corner... |
Price of everything, value of nothing!
It makes my blood boil. | | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:40 - Apr 26 with 1723 views | slranger40 |
| Labour - private rent controls on 18:41 - Apr 26 by NW5Hoop |
I presume everyone who bought their council home under right-to-buy wholeheartedly opposes the cutting back of welfare provision (the welfare budget includes the NHS, by the way) and benefits, given they got a bloody great gift from the state. After, all in the words of the Tory minister who oversaw it, "no single piece of legislation has enabled the transfer of so much capital wealth from the state to the people", what with the discounts of between 33% and 50% on the market price. |
You can only do this once- it is called bribery. | | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:40 - Apr 26 with 1722 views | AgedR |
| Labour - private rent controls on 17:34 - Apr 26 by Discodroids |
support labour or support another team!..how can i put this . fu ck that ! never me old china, never.never.never.
im from a long line of east enders going back over 150 years and ther've always supported labour, my grandad and dad worked on the print for the daily mirror for a combined 76 years and red ted, my grandad lost his hearing to the printing presses. ive seen what supporting a bunch of chinless fu ck planks from millbank who waltz into the east end in white paper suits and shake hands with the local rasta , before going home to die of fright and burning said paper suit ,every 4 or 5 years to get your vote ,gets you.
living in a shithole. abandonded.forgotten .abused.
these fkrs have relied on tradition and become complacent . arrogant thinking that working class east enders will still vote labour cause they have red DNA in them. docile quisilings . fk that. People like my old man And his generation are turning away from labour yes, some to vote for other parties but many abstaining.
one thing they wont do is fack off to essex like thousands of other labour voters have done. they were born there and despite labour and emily thornberry best efforts , they will fackin well die there.
to me, if you vote labour thats odd , but fu ck me i wouldnt tell other people on here to support another team. espescially some of the gadges on here who have been going 40 , 50 years . ive only been going since 1977 the year of drowning in salaiva with the slits, banshees and buzzocks. i'll be fked seven ways from sunday by winston sillcott up the starfish if im going off to support another team because i wouldnt use a red labour rosette to clean lord janners harry monk up with.
by any means necessary. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 17:44]
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Someone should tattoo that post on Peter Mandelson's head Disco.
The Tories are what they are. A party of the wealthy elite, totally versed in the preservation of power.
Labour's fundamental lack of conviction dates back to Ramsey McDonald. I do admire the loyal support it has been given from a large radical socialist minority, but, the Blair years should leave us in no doubt that they represent the same wealthy elite as the Tories. | |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 19:46 - Apr 26 with 1703 views | slranger40 |
Michael Gove has been known to sit in front of me in the Lower loft. I am glad i restrained myself. These chinless "fu*"heads" care not about us, they are an elite that only have themselves in mind.
If you don't get that you are stretching the truth. | | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:51 - Apr 26 with 1697 views | slranger40 |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:40 - Apr 26 by AgedR |
Someone should tattoo that post on Peter Mandelson's head Disco.
The Tories are what they are. A party of the wealthy elite, totally versed in the preservation of power.
Labour's fundamental lack of conviction dates back to Ramsey McDonald. I do admire the loyal support it has been given from a large radical socialist minority, but, the Blair years should leave us in no doubt that they represent the same wealthy elite as the Tories. |
Indeed, but the Tories are more blatant about it.
The Blair years were an idiosyncrasy of opulence and circumstance.
Don't Write off the importance of people. | | | |
| Labour - private rent controls on 19:55 - Apr 26 with 1687 views | johncharles |
| Labour - private rent controls on 16:42 - Apr 26 by W5R |
Religion has no place in the world.
Politics however does - don't you remember how we were all treated under Thatcher?
And re "who to vote for" - you have to consider the system and safe seats
Well, lets take the Uxbridge Road.
Live in Uxbridge and Conservatives will win. Live in Hayes and Labour will win. Live in Southall and Labour will win. Live in Ealing and that's 50/50. Live in Acton and Labour will win. Live in W12 and Labour will win.
Our close fan base are Labour and Ealing aside (although Labour are leading the polls there) that won't be changing anytime soon.
No self respecting working class football fan would ever vote Conservative. Only the scum and their "fans" do that. |
Whoops, marked you down by mistake. Stupid 'cos I fully support everything you said. |  |
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| Labour - private rent controls on 20:02 - Apr 26 with 1669 views | HollowayRanger |
| Labour - private rent controls on 18:24 - Apr 26 by Juzzie |
The children wont starve.
Sorry, really annoys me that people (not you) think that everyone else should pay for their large family.
My brother and i lived on very little and we managed. My dad was a musician and money came in erractically. My mum had a stall in goldborne road on Saturdays and we were supplimented by a very basic child benefit, very basic. My mum didnt have more kids because she knew we couldnt afford to and the state wouldnt have helped any further back then.
Now the state is pandering to people and its encouraging people to have more kids so they can get bigger homes that is also not helping.
A family just moved (by the council) into a 1930's 3 bed house over the road, EIGHT children. Even with a loft conversion (now 4 bedrooms) paid for by the taxpayer the house is not designed for 10 people, 4-5 at most. They're causing their neighbours either side, one a working family the other a retired couple, havoc and the police have been around a few times already due to noise and apparently kids being locked in bedrooms.
The state feeds these people to have more kids. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 22:35]
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exactly child support should only be for first 2 kids or maybe four if that's too hard to stomach ,and no one on benefits should be earning (hahaha) more than the national average
its sicking girl across the road single mum was given a flat the father has already been given a flat so now they have one each neither work 2nd baby on the way so she's now after a bigger flat ,leaves windows open during winter someone said your letting all the heat out ,she just laughed and said that's ok your paying for it | |
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