| Halal meat 12:13 - May 9 with 17020 views | Flashberryjack |
All this talk of halal meat not being labeled as such.
What are your thoughts on the subject, personally I think it's f*cking disgusting, the thought of some religious guy chanting to Allah before slitting the throat of an animal I will be eating doesn't seem right to me.
Bloody hell this country is being dragged back into the dark ages, why do we not just ban this inhuman ritualistic slaughtering like many other European countries have done ? Companies like Pizza Express and the like are a f*cking disgrace.
At least those companies have come out and admitted that the meat they serve is halal, which gives me the choice of never ever eating there, unfortunately many other companies choose not to disclose the fact that their meat is halal, taking away my right of choice.
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| Halal meat on 11:45 - May 10 with 1534 views | Banosswan |
| Halal meat on 11:43 - May 10 by JackoBoostardo |
It's choice of the person working there to handle it - but not consume it.
Depends how strict a Muslim they are too.
However, there is a lot of confusion between Indians and Pakistani - as it is Pakistanis who are more likely to be Muslim. The majority in India are Hindu. [Post edited 10 May 2014 11:45]
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On that note, most curry houses in the UK are Bangladeshi, who tend to be Muslim. |  |
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| Halal meat on 11:51 - May 10 with 1527 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Halal meat on 11:45 - May 10 by Banosswan |
On that note, most curry houses in the UK are Bangladeshi, who tend to be Muslim. |
And I've explained this in my comment, as well as clarify the confusion between Indians and Pakistanis. Bangladesh is a country bordering India, and is majority Muslim. |  |
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| Halal meat on 12:15 - May 10 with 1498 views | Cottsy |
If your argument against halal slaughter is based on (non)religious grounds then great, argue against it on those principles.
My problem is with the suddenly militant animal rights activists who appear whenever halal is brought up.
If these people were so concerned with animal welfare then they should probably questioning why they are buying supermarket own brand chicken or chicken from Subway or Pizza Express because, and I'm sorry to break this to you, it isn't going to be happy, free range, corn fed chicken that you're buying.
If you're happy for your meat to be reared in intensive conditions on an industrial volume, pumped full of antibiotics and hormones so that its ready to go to slaughter in a shorter time and subjected to high levels of stress then that's fine but don't suddenly get all misty eyed that at the end of its very short life the meat is going to be slaughtered in exactly the same way as any other meat except with the addition of a little prayer to a fictional character. |  |
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| Halal meat on 12:18 - May 10 with 1495 views | Cottsy |
I never said they didn't.
So does all the halal meat sold by supermarkets, Subway & Pizza Express and the vast majority of halal meat. | |
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| Halal meat on 12:30 - May 10 with 1482 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Halal meat on 12:18 - May 10 by Cottsy |
I never said they didn't.
So does all the halal meat sold by supermarkets, Subway & Pizza Express and the vast majority of halal meat. |
How can you suggest ALL halal meat comes from stunned animals when the FSA (Food Standards Agency) themselves conclude that in the UK, 88% are stunning the livestock prior to slaughter. This means 12% are not and are left to die painfully and slowly under the Halal ritual. This is still unsatisfactory.
Considering the market value of Halal products - it is reasonable to assume that means many animals are unnecessarily suffering in the name of religion.
In the case of supermarkets, it is up to the individual company to police the product themselves to ensure they are satisfied that animal welfare is considered. This will involve sending their own inspectors to the abattoir/slaughter house. In many cases this is not done, and the cheapness and availability overrides the welfare element.
You really should refer to fact before commenting. [Post edited 10 May 2014 12:35]
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| Halal meat on 13:10 - May 10 with 1452 views | Lohengrin |
| Halal meat on 12:57 - May 10 by Brynmill_Jack |
Just had an appointment in PT hospital and thought I'd take a trip down memory lane and have a spin round the Sandfields as I hadn't been down the front since my Nan died in the late 80's.
I must say the front looked lovely with a couple of nicely designed chippies/cafés and I saw that cinnamon place. Very tempted to give a whirl one night. Is it expensive Max?
Going back to Aberavon seafront and it's cafés I wonder why Swansea can't have more of these? My relatives owned the cafés on stilts that used to be there before the 60's and while it would be difficult to build those up again a couple of restaurants would provide a nice view for those inside dining. |
How did your tracking cope with the speed bumps and traffic calmers every three feet down there? |  |
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| Halal meat on 13:12 - May 10 with 1452 views | Cottsy |
| Halal meat on 12:30 - May 10 by JackoBoostardo |
How can you suggest ALL halal meat comes from stunned animals when the FSA (Food Standards Agency) themselves conclude that in the UK, 88% are stunning the livestock prior to slaughter. This means 12% are not and are left to die painfully and slowly under the Halal ritual. This is still unsatisfactory.
Considering the market value of Halal products - it is reasonable to assume that means many animals are unnecessarily suffering in the name of religion.
In the case of supermarkets, it is up to the individual company to police the product themselves to ensure they are satisfied that animal welfare is considered. This will involve sending their own inspectors to the abattoir/slaughter house. In many cases this is not done, and the cheapness and availability overrides the welfare element.
You really should refer to fact before commenting. [Post edited 10 May 2014 12:35]
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Likewise you should read what I have actually written in my posts not what you think I have written.
I didn't suggest that ALL halal meat comes from stunned animals what I said was "all the halal meat sold by supermarkets, Subway & Pizza Express" and look here are the facts I referred to:
http://m.pizzaexpress.com/quickPage.html?page=242
"It is no secret that all the chicken used in our dishes is halal slaughtered. Our teams in restaurants have and always will provide this information, and in addition it is available on the customer service section of our website. We are looking at whether we take steps to make this information even clearer through our menus.
We’re committed to high animal welfare standards and as such the birds are stunned before slaughter. The quality, safety and integrity of our products is paramount and our chicken supplier is accredited by the British Retail Consortium. This means it meets the global standard for food safety. None of our other meats are halal."
http://www.subway.co.uk/menu/halal.aspx
"All our suppliers comply with EU animal welfare legislation as a minimum and we require suppliers of Halal products to adopt the stunning of animals prior to their slaughter. All Halal meats are certified by the appropriate Halal authorities."
http://helpandsupport.waitrose.com/system/selfservice.controller?CONFIGURATION=1
"All of the animals that supply our own label meat are stunned before slaughter, meaning that animals are unconscious and are not subjected to pain.
UK law currently permits slaughter both with stunning and without - a requirement of some faiths. However, to maintain Red Tractor assurance scheme standards, signified by a logo on the label, (which all Waitrose meat & Poultry achieves) all animals must be pre-stunned. New Zealand law also requires all animals to be pre-stunned at slaughter.
Some of our lamb is slaughtered after a Halal blessing, but in line with our strict policies, it is always pre-stunned. This allows us to sell to other markets the parts of the carcass that we don't use. This minimises food waste, keeps prices down for our customers and helps our farmers to be competitive."
Although Tesco do sell some non stunned halal meat but only on designated halal counters.
And I did say the "vast majority" of halal meat is pre stunned, I'm not too good at maths but I'm pretty sure 88% is enough to constitute a vast majority, no?
And would it be unreasonable to assume that the 88% figure represents major food retailers using halal slaughterhouses but insisting on pre stunning the other 12% catering for the strict Islamic market? | |
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| Halal meat on 13:14 - May 10 with 1450 views | Flashberryjack |
I feel I need to reply to your post, being that I started the thread, a thread I may add, that I wished I hadn't initiated after reading some the responses, although I didn't expect everyone to agree with my opinion, I have to admit I was a little shocked and dismayed at some, although not actually calling me a racist, but they certainly implied as much, all this for having the temerity to speak out about the non labelling of halal meat and the religious ritual of slaughtering animals in this country.
I then made the conscious decision not to post anything on this site that could possibly be seen in anyway shape or form as being racist, which basically means post "nothing" as most modern day topics can be construed that way, especially by some with whatever political or other agenda they may have. Accuse someone of being a racist and "shut him up" which is exactly how I felt, as have said earlier.
However, after reading your input into this delicate but contentious thread, I have changed my mind, and now will continue to post on various subjects I feel strongly about, but maybe taking a little more time in choosing my words to avoid further consternation from the hypersensitive.
I thank you for a most articulate post. | |
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| Halal meat on 13:22 - May 10 with 1441 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Halal meat on 13:12 - May 10 by Cottsy |
Likewise you should read what I have actually written in my posts not what you think I have written.
I didn't suggest that ALL halal meat comes from stunned animals what I said was "all the halal meat sold by supermarkets, Subway & Pizza Express" and look here are the facts I referred to:
http://m.pizzaexpress.com/quickPage.html?page=242
"It is no secret that all the chicken used in our dishes is halal slaughtered. Our teams in restaurants have and always will provide this information, and in addition it is available on the customer service section of our website. We are looking at whether we take steps to make this information even clearer through our menus.
We’re committed to high animal welfare standards and as such the birds are stunned before slaughter. The quality, safety and integrity of our products is paramount and our chicken supplier is accredited by the British Retail Consortium. This means it meets the global standard for food safety. None of our other meats are halal."
http://www.subway.co.uk/menu/halal.aspx
"All our suppliers comply with EU animal welfare legislation as a minimum and we require suppliers of Halal products to adopt the stunning of animals prior to their slaughter. All Halal meats are certified by the appropriate Halal authorities."
http://helpandsupport.waitrose.com/system/selfservice.controller?CONFIGURATION=1
"All of the animals that supply our own label meat are stunned before slaughter, meaning that animals are unconscious and are not subjected to pain.
UK law currently permits slaughter both with stunning and without - a requirement of some faiths. However, to maintain Red Tractor assurance scheme standards, signified by a logo on the label, (which all Waitrose meat & Poultry achieves) all animals must be pre-stunned. New Zealand law also requires all animals to be pre-stunned at slaughter.
Some of our lamb is slaughtered after a Halal blessing, but in line with our strict policies, it is always pre-stunned. This allows us to sell to other markets the parts of the carcass that we don't use. This minimises food waste, keeps prices down for our customers and helps our farmers to be competitive."
Although Tesco do sell some non stunned halal meat but only on designated halal counters.
And I did say the "vast majority" of halal meat is pre stunned, I'm not too good at maths but I'm pretty sure 88% is enough to constitute a vast majority, no?
And would it be unreasonable to assume that the 88% figure represents major food retailers using halal slaughterhouses but insisting on pre stunning the other 12% catering for the strict Islamic market? |
I refer once more to your comment that you have repeated - ALL supermarker meat comes from stunned animals is inaccurate. The fact that 12% is not stunned doesn't mean it's solely for the muslim market. And again, this doesn't answer as to why 100% of animals cannot be stunned.
Strict Islamic market or not - if it's in the UK then follow our practices in terms of animal welfare! | |
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| Halal meat on 13:25 - May 10 with 1436 views | Lohengrin |
| Halal meat on 13:14 - May 10 by Flashberryjack |
I feel I need to reply to your post, being that I started the thread, a thread I may add, that I wished I hadn't initiated after reading some the responses, although I didn't expect everyone to agree with my opinion, I have to admit I was a little shocked and dismayed at some, although not actually calling me a racist, but they certainly implied as much, all this for having the temerity to speak out about the non labelling of halal meat and the religious ritual of slaughtering animals in this country.
I then made the conscious decision not to post anything on this site that could possibly be seen in anyway shape or form as being racist, which basically means post "nothing" as most modern day topics can be construed that way, especially by some with whatever political or other agenda they may have. Accuse someone of being a racist and "shut him up" which is exactly how I felt, as have said earlier.
However, after reading your input into this delicate but contentious thread, I have changed my mind, and now will continue to post on various subjects I feel strongly about, but maybe taking a little more time in choosing my words to avoid further consternation from the hypersensitive.
I thank you for a most articulate post. |
Be your own man, speak your own mind. You're a product of our European civilisation that treasures that, perhaps elevates that above all other virtues. It's under attack from all sides; you know that, you see it on here and all around you from those whose own natural instincts have become corroded and stultified by traditions and servile modes of behaviour utterly alien to the air you were born to breathe.
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| Halal meat on 13:28 - May 10 with 1429 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Halal meat on 13:14 - May 10 by Flashberryjack |
I feel I need to reply to your post, being that I started the thread, a thread I may add, that I wished I hadn't initiated after reading some the responses, although I didn't expect everyone to agree with my opinion, I have to admit I was a little shocked and dismayed at some, although not actually calling me a racist, but they certainly implied as much, all this for having the temerity to speak out about the non labelling of halal meat and the religious ritual of slaughtering animals in this country.
I then made the conscious decision not to post anything on this site that could possibly be seen in anyway shape or form as being racist, which basically means post "nothing" as most modern day topics can be construed that way, especially by some with whatever political or other agenda they may have. Accuse someone of being a racist and "shut him up" which is exactly how I felt, as have said earlier.
However, after reading your input into this delicate but contentious thread, I have changed my mind, and now will continue to post on various subjects I feel strongly about, but maybe taking a little more time in choosing my words to avoid further consternation from the hypersensitive.
I thank you for a most articulate post. |
You should never be in fear of speaking up in this so-called free democratic country of ours. Even if these so-called pillars or freedom claim you're a bigot for doing so - you will only be showing them up as bigots themselves for denying you the right. | |
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| Halal meat on 13:40 - May 10 with 1409 views | Flashberryjack |
| Halal meat on 13:28 - May 10 by JackoBoostardo |
You should never be in fear of speaking up in this so-called free democratic country of ours. Even if these so-called pillars or freedom claim you're a bigot for doing so - you will only be showing them up as bigots themselves for denying you the right. |
Thank you ....a voice of sanity and hope for the future. | |
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| Halal meat on 13:43 - May 10 with 1404 views | controversial_jack |
| Halal meat on 13:10 - May 10 by Lohengrin |
How did your tracking cope with the speed bumps and traffic calmers every three feet down there? |
It takes longer to drive to the beach down Western Avenue than it does to get to Sandfields from Neath |  | | |
| Halal meat on 13:47 - May 10 with 1396 views | Flashberryjack |
| Halal meat on 13:25 - May 10 by Lohengrin |
Be your own man, speak your own mind. You're a product of our European civilisation that treasures that, perhaps elevates that above all other virtues. It's under attack from all sides; you know that, you see it on here and all around you from those whose own natural instincts have become corroded and stultified by traditions and servile modes of behaviour utterly alien to the air you were born to breathe.
Stick your chest out, fling your head back and Feck 'em all! |
Will do mate...and thanks | |
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| Halal meat on 13:59 - May 10 with 1388 views | Cottsy |
| Halal meat on 13:22 - May 10 by JackoBoostardo |
I refer once more to your comment that you have repeated - ALL supermarker meat comes from stunned animals is inaccurate. The fact that 12% is not stunned doesn't mean it's solely for the muslim market. And again, this doesn't answer as to why 100% of animals cannot be stunned.
Strict Islamic market or not - if it's in the UK then follow our practices in terms of animal welfare! |
Well that's not what the supermarkets are saying but if you show me where that's not the case then I'm happy to change that.
I don't disagree that 100% of animals should be stunned but lets not pretend that the halal outrage that has brewed up this week is an animal welfare issue because quite frankly if people cared that much about animal welfare then Bernard Matthews would have gone out of business a long time ago.
People want cheap meat, cheap dairy and cheap eggs and for the most part couldn't give a damn what conditions or standards the animals that produce it are reared in but as soon as halal is mentioned they are suddenly card carrying members of the ALF. Sorry if I don't buy the moral outrage.
And this isn't aimed at anyone on here its more of a general response. | |
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| Halal meat on 14:07 - May 10 with 1377 views | Lohengrin |
| Halal meat on 13:43 - May 10 by controversial_jack |
It takes longer to drive to the beach down Western Avenue than it does to get to Sandfields from Neath |
It's almost as if Port Talbot's Labour Council was in cahoots with a building firm....  | |
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| Halal meat on 14:27 - May 10 with 1358 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Halal meat on 13:10 - May 10 by Lohengrin |
How did your tracking cope with the speed bumps and traffic calmers every three feet down there? |
I did notice! Put the dampeners (hee hee) on a nice drive and tried to take sttention from a rather nice seafront. Gone are the days when my mother wouldn't let us go in the sea for being caked in sh*t. The beach with the wild wind blowing and the tempestuous sea, white horses crashing against each other in their impatient race to the shore was majestic. And there, over the water was my home city , shimmering in the intermittent sunlight like some rare gemstone in candlelight.
Err, what was I saying ??? |  |
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| Halal meat on 14:35 - May 10 with 1349 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Halal meat on 13:59 - May 10 by Cottsy |
Well that's not what the supermarkets are saying but if you show me where that's not the case then I'm happy to change that.
I don't disagree that 100% of animals should be stunned but lets not pretend that the halal outrage that has brewed up this week is an animal welfare issue because quite frankly if people cared that much about animal welfare then Bernard Matthews would have gone out of business a long time ago.
People want cheap meat, cheap dairy and cheap eggs and for the most part couldn't give a damn what conditions or standards the animals that produce it are reared in but as soon as halal is mentioned they are suddenly card carrying members of the ALF. Sorry if I don't buy the moral outrage.
And this isn't aimed at anyone on here its more of a general response. |
So if your theory is correct - the supermarkets would have picked up on the horsemeat scandal sooner right?
Mostly it comes down to cost and as many people here have already said - they don't care about the welfare of the animal when it comes down to price. As a country (a so-called civilised populace) we've become indifferent. As a country we are ruined. Morals don't come from religion, but from an individuals ability to reason, and know right from wrong - and as such we are morally bankrupt. People are quick to judge, and do nothing to instigate change.
We see daily how this country is going down the shitter in many ways - indifference and over-tolerance (over-liberalism) takes a drivers seat in this spiral. Where concerns about how an animal is slaughtered becomes an issue regarding racial prejudice all of a sudden.... See where I'm going with this?
Supermarkets are (surprising for some!) driven by profit.
Now don't go mistaking me for a hippy, liberal, anarchist, anti-capitalist or anything else remotely resembling a politician. I am myself - someone who still wants people to pertain a sense of humanity and decency. A yearning for once more becoming a proud country at the forefront of global progression, and this involves retaining what it means to be British. Instead we've allowed ourselves to be too consumed with keeping everyone else happy at the cost of our normal habits.
Becoming a multi-cultural society in itself isn't a bad thing - afterall it's what formed Britain (Vikings, Saxons, Romans etc). However, when the inflexibility of others who in turn successfully impose their views on to our heritage/tradition and way of life is met with indifference then this is something I object to. Hence the fact I've spent considerable time here getting my point across. In terms of religious beliefs leading to these methods of slaughter being used more frequently by retailers/stores etc, and in order to keep a minority satisfied - where do we draw a line?? | |
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| Halal meat on 14:44 - May 10 with 1326 views | exiledclaseboy |
The vast majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter.
The 12% that isn't stunned should be. I absolutely agree with that.
Supermarkets are also subject to the government inspection procedures. They are not entirely self-policed in this regard.
If you don't believe these figures then there's not much further debate that can be had.
I agree that labelling should be better to allow people to make an informed choice. Personally if I knew an animal hadn't been stunned before slaughter I wouldn't buy it. If it was halal prepared but had been stunned, meaning the only difference being some fella spoutingg some incomprehensible dribble during the process, I would.
I don't think objecting to non-stunned halal slaughtering necessarily makes someone a "racist". I do think that some aren't being honest with themselves though. Many of the objections are purely because it's "the muslims" doing it dressed up in the convenient cloak of being concerned about animal welfare. |  |
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| Halal meat on 14:44 - May 10 by exiledclaseboy |
The vast majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter.
The 12% that isn't stunned should be. I absolutely agree with that.
Supermarkets are also subject to the government inspection procedures. They are not entirely self-policed in this regard.
If you don't believe these figures then there's not much further debate that can be had.
I agree that labelling should be better to allow people to make an informed choice. Personally if I knew an animal hadn't been stunned before slaughter I wouldn't buy it. If it was halal prepared but had been stunned, meaning the only difference being some fella spoutingg some incomprehensible dribble during the process, I would.
I don't think objecting to non-stunned halal slaughtering necessarily makes someone a "racist". I do think that some aren't being honest with themselves though. Many of the objections are purely because it's "the muslims" doing it dressed up in the convenient cloak of being concerned about animal welfare. |
And that's a view that is appreciated and to be respected.
In terms of Government inspection procedures - you may recall the the recent issues relating to horsemeat as proof the system has failed and only recently tightened up "slightly" as a result of this 'scandal'.
There will be people who are undoubtedly racist, or have the appearance of being so. However, having genuine concerns is in no way racism, and in this instance it can be seen as appropriate. What if by not advertising the meat as Halal, you are encroaching on the religious or moral beliefs of someone else? Where and when will the line be drawn?
If I had my way - religion would play no part at all in daily lives. People do not need religion to make decisions, act with consideration and reason and be generally good people. But I respect peoples choices and beliefs as their own - as individuals. But when this comes with a price that in turn affects others, and in this instance the increase of Halal butchering, then I feel it's reasonable that some way wish to speak out in this democratic country of ours.
I do have an understanding of how Halal slaughtering works from my time travelling many countries. I also understand that the 12% who do not stun their animals are likely doing so to avoid the animal becoming haraam (in the case the animal dies as a result of stunning, and prior to the halal process being carried out - the animal is deemed unfit for consumption). As a result of the understanding, I hope I can instill confidence in my argument that I am not talking out of my ass.
Therefore as a suggestion, wouldn't it make sense to not have a separation of slaughterhouses (standard and halal)- all should be combined and maintained to a minimium standard held by UK law, where ALL animals are stunned prior to slaughter. To make this work, there will need to be lines that once stunned will be let to a Halal section, and other lines to a general consumption queue. In all instances, the meats should be adequately labelled. By following this route, there can be no complaints, and we as people can be sure that due processes are followed. It's a common sense approach that's required.
But to close this off - respect and consideration for others is a two way street. What if another popular religion appeared next week that prevented people from eating Halal meat, or that affected by a process used by another religion or god? Who or what will decide which religion takes precedence in order to once more change their menus?
When will this stupidity end? [Post edited 10 May 2014 15:22]
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| Halal meat on 15:24 - May 10 with 1278 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Halal meat on 15:15 - May 10 by JackoBoostardo |
And that's a view that is appreciated and to be respected.
In terms of Government inspection procedures - you may recall the the recent issues relating to horsemeat as proof the system has failed and only recently tightened up "slightly" as a result of this 'scandal'.
There will be people who are undoubtedly racist, or have the appearance of being so. However, having genuine concerns is in no way racism, and in this instance it can be seen as appropriate. What if by not advertising the meat as Halal, you are encroaching on the religious or moral beliefs of someone else? Where and when will the line be drawn?
If I had my way - religion would play no part at all in daily lives. People do not need religion to make decisions, act with consideration and reason and be generally good people. But I respect peoples choices and beliefs as their own - as individuals. But when this comes with a price that in turn affects others, and in this instance the increase of Halal butchering, then I feel it's reasonable that some way wish to speak out in this democratic country of ours.
I do have an understanding of how Halal slaughtering works from my time travelling many countries. I also understand that the 12% who do not stun their animals are likely doing so to avoid the animal becoming haraam (in the case the animal dies as a result of stunning, and prior to the halal process being carried out - the animal is deemed unfit for consumption). As a result of the understanding, I hope I can instill confidence in my argument that I am not talking out of my ass.
Therefore as a suggestion, wouldn't it make sense to not have a separation of slaughterhouses (standard and halal)- all should be combined and maintained to a minimium standard held by UK law, where ALL animals are stunned prior to slaughter. To make this work, there will need to be lines that once stunned will be let to a Halal section, and other lines to a general consumption queue. In all instances, the meats should be adequately labelled. By following this route, there can be no complaints, and we as people can be sure that due processes are followed. It's a common sense approach that's required.
But to close this off - respect and consideration for others is a two way street. What if another popular religion appeared next week that prevented people from eating Halal meat, or that affected by a process used by another religion or god? Who or what will decide which religion takes precedence in order to once more change their menus?
When will this stupidity end? [Post edited 10 May 2014 15:22]
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Not much in there I disagree with and if I carried on I'd be repeating myself again.
Of course, in a perfect world all this medieval religious nonsense would be irrelevant and we could all tuck into our Sunday roasts safe in the knowledge that no brown fella said a dumbass prayer while it was being killed.
I had two boiled eggs for my dinner today. Free range. What does that mean in practice? These days I have no idea. But it makes me feel better about myself when eating them.
I can't vouch for the joint of beef that's waiting to be roasted tomorrow mind you. Although I'd wager it's difficult to have non free range cattle. They live in a field see. | |
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| Halal meat on 15:26 - May 10 with 1273 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Halal meat on 15:24 - May 10 by exiledclaseboy |
Not much in there I disagree with and if I carried on I'd be repeating myself again.
Of course, in a perfect world all this medieval religious nonsense would be irrelevant and we could all tuck into our Sunday roasts safe in the knowledge that no brown fella said a dumbass prayer while it was being killed.
I had two boiled eggs for my dinner today. Free range. What does that mean in practice? These days I have no idea. But it makes me feel better about myself when eating them.
I can't vouch for the joint of beef that's waiting to be roasted tomorrow mind you. Although I'd wager it's difficult to have non free range cattle. They live in a field see. |
Don't get me wrong - I dislike the methods used by battery farms too. However, they freely admit this is due to cost and people do unfortunately object to paying extra for free range.
Religion however is a lifestyle choice (and may I add, one that is commonly pushed on to kids at an early age and before the ability to fully judge and reason has been obtained). [Post edited 10 May 2014 15:30]
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| Halal meat on 15:27 - May 10 with 1832 views | Cottsy |
| Halal meat on 14:35 - May 10 by JackoBoostardo |
So if your theory is correct - the supermarkets would have picked up on the horsemeat scandal sooner right?
Mostly it comes down to cost and as many people here have already said - they don't care about the welfare of the animal when it comes down to price. As a country (a so-called civilised populace) we've become indifferent. As a country we are ruined. Morals don't come from religion, but from an individuals ability to reason, and know right from wrong - and as such we are morally bankrupt. People are quick to judge, and do nothing to instigate change.
We see daily how this country is going down the shitter in many ways - indifference and over-tolerance (over-liberalism) takes a drivers seat in this spiral. Where concerns about how an animal is slaughtered becomes an issue regarding racial prejudice all of a sudden.... See where I'm going with this?
Supermarkets are (surprising for some!) driven by profit.
Now don't go mistaking me for a hippy, liberal, anarchist, anti-capitalist or anything else remotely resembling a politician. I am myself - someone who still wants people to pertain a sense of humanity and decency. A yearning for once more becoming a proud country at the forefront of global progression, and this involves retaining what it means to be British. Instead we've allowed ourselves to be too consumed with keeping everyone else happy at the cost of our normal habits.
Becoming a multi-cultural society in itself isn't a bad thing - afterall it's what formed Britain (Vikings, Saxons, Romans etc). However, when the inflexibility of others who in turn successfully impose their views on to our heritage/tradition and way of life is met with indifference then this is something I object to. Hence the fact I've spent considerable time here getting my point across. In terms of religious beliefs leading to these methods of slaughter being used more frequently by retailers/stores etc, and in order to keep a minority satisfied - where do we draw a line?? |
Are the supermarketss using halal meat to satisfy a minority or because as you correctly point out supermarkets want to make a profit and can see that they can increase their potential market by around 5% without increasing their costs? | |
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