| So these speed limits 09:40 - Jan 27 with 2912 views | onehunglow |
When do they revert back
Seems rather waste of money
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| So these speed limits on 18:34 - Jan 30 with 775 views | SullutaCreturned |
| So these speed limits on 18:30 - Jan 30 by lifelong |
Good news out today then.đź‘Ť |
Well it's earned quite a bit for Westminster and aparently it's saved about 10 lives, and around 90 fewer serious injuries.
I would love to know how many lives this 40 million would have saved if given to the NHS but we will never know. So for now, and until we have the 3 years data maybe we should just accept it as potentially very good news. Any life saved/death prevented is good news. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 18:56 - Jan 30 with 750 views | builthjack |
EVery life saved is huge. [Post edited 31 Jan 19:25]
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| So these speed limits on 20:40 - Jan 30 with 714 views | max936 |
| So these speed limits on 18:30 - Jan 30 by lifelong |
Good news out today then.đź‘Ť |
Not if you're a working man going from job to job its not, those on a leisurely stroll haven't got jobs to do.
Do my job and the mileage I do for a day, no fing wonder I'm on bp tabs. |  |
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| So these speed limits on 21:17 - Jan 30 with 693 views | lifelong |
| So these speed limits on 20:40 - Jan 30 by max936 |
Not if you're a working man going from job to job its not, those on a leisurely stroll haven't got jobs to do.
Do my job and the mileage I do for a day, no fing wonder I'm on bp tabs. |
How much longer do you take to get from one job to another? |  | | |
| So these speed limits on 22:53 - Jan 30 with 665 views | max936 |
| So these speed limits on 21:17 - Jan 30 by lifelong |
How much longer do you take to get from one job to another? |
Depends where job is, it's not an exact science is it plus that's besides the point, I've a workload that has to be met, there's enough hold ups with the traffic without this 20mph nonsense, left a job down at Burry Port at 15:25 and had a job at Pontarddulais to get to and was stuck in traffic for over 10 minutes go past the school on way back to Llanelli 16:15 I got to that job time frame for the job was between 14:00 and 16:00 customer not happy on my arrival, had to use my charm to settle them down.
Down west up through Llandeilo and above Talley, Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan, Lampeter and those areas are a nightmare with those 20mph speed limits, its fine if you're out for a dreamy cruise but totally different if you're travelling to do work, unless you're doing it yourself you wouldn't appreciate it. | |
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| So these speed limits on 23:23 - Jan 30 with 654 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 22:53 - Jan 30 by max936 |
Depends where job is, it's not an exact science is it plus that's besides the point, I've a workload that has to be met, there's enough hold ups with the traffic without this 20mph nonsense, left a job down at Burry Port at 15:25 and had a job at Pontarddulais to get to and was stuck in traffic for over 10 minutes go past the school on way back to Llanelli 16:15 I got to that job time frame for the job was between 14:00 and 16:00 customer not happy on my arrival, had to use my charm to settle them down.
Down west up through Llandeilo and above Talley, Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan, Lampeter and those areas are a nightmare with those 20mph speed limits, its fine if you're out for a dreamy cruise but totally different if you're travelling to do work, unless you're doing it yourself you wouldn't appreciate it. |
Better on horseback if you're going to those places | |
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| So these speed limits on 09:29 - Jan 31 with 585 views | lifelong |
| So these speed limits on 22:53 - Jan 30 by max936 |
Depends where job is, it's not an exact science is it plus that's besides the point, I've a workload that has to be met, there's enough hold ups with the traffic without this 20mph nonsense, left a job down at Burry Port at 15:25 and had a job at Pontarddulais to get to and was stuck in traffic for over 10 minutes go past the school on way back to Llanelli 16:15 I got to that job time frame for the job was between 14:00 and 16:00 customer not happy on my arrival, had to use my charm to settle them down.
Down west up through Llandeilo and above Talley, Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan, Lampeter and those areas are a nightmare with those 20mph speed limits, its fine if you're out for a dreamy cruise but totally different if you're travelling to do work, unless you're doing it yourself you wouldn't appreciate it. |
Max, we’ve been through all these arguments on the other large thread, if you are driving anywhere in built up areas where there are schools and work places at those times you mentioned there are going to be hold ups.I don’t believe that the 20mph makes that much of a difference. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 10:10 - Jan 31 with 572 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 09:29 - Jan 31 by lifelong |
Max, we’ve been through all these arguments on the other large thread, if you are driving anywhere in built up areas where there are schools and work places at those times you mentioned there are going to be hold ups.I don’t believe that the 20mph makes that much of a difference. |
And folk should remember it is a limit | |
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| So these speed limits on 10:15 - Jan 31 with 567 views | Boundy |
| So these speed limits on 18:56 - Jan 30 by builthjack |
EVery life saved is huge. [Post edited 31 Jan 19:25]
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Life is a risk ,those that live and die do so by split second decisions. Who knows whether dropping the speed limit did or did not save a life. | |
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| So these speed limits on 10:22 - Jan 31 with 564 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 10:15 - Jan 31 by Boundy |
Life is a risk ,those that live and die do so by split second decisions. Who knows whether dropping the speed limit did or did not save a life. |
I sound like a broken 78 ( young ones ,)ask your dad )
It’s about the standard of driving
It’s not all about speed
Biggest issue now is lack of concentration,application and hazard perception .
Most drivers have not a forking clue as to how to control a vehicle either at speed or round urban areas .
Chuck in the fact most are more bothered about what their phone is doing rather than thinking bout th3ir driving nd there you hve it
When I’m out with my dog ,which is very often,I see many drivers with faraway eyes ,titlly distracted .
I used to always drive with music on or Radio 4. Now I drive in silence so I. Onxentrate ,fully
Old driver see. | |
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| So these speed limits on 11:03 - Jan 31 with 552 views | Boundy |
| So these speed limits on 10:22 - Jan 31 by onehunglow |
I sound like a broken 78 ( young ones ,)ask your dad )
It’s about the standard of driving
It’s not all about speed
Biggest issue now is lack of concentration,application and hazard perception .
Most drivers have not a forking clue as to how to control a vehicle either at speed or round urban areas .
Chuck in the fact most are more bothered about what their phone is doing rather than thinking bout th3ir driving nd there you hve it
When I’m out with my dog ,which is very often,I see many drivers with faraway eyes ,titlly distracted .
I used to always drive with music on or Radio 4. Now I drive in silence so I. Onxentrate ,fully
Old driver see. |
Totally agree, I've managed since being given permission to drive in 1974 , never to have an accident ( could have caused a few who knows) but my attitude to driving is its something which all can do but not all well enough to be safe .I until recently held the old Class 1 licence now LGV and always considered myself to be a safe driver with enough knowledge to keep myself and other road users safe from my actions. Whether other drivers feel the same who knows but the standard has imo dropped with little care for each other and many distractions, look for example new cars with large media screens fitted ,what a distraction they are and a dangerous one at that , who needs something that big , we all managed quite well with just a road map and silence now its an electronic map the size of a football pitch and dvd players throughout. | |
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| So these speed limits on 11:06 - Jan 31 with 544 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 11:03 - Jan 31 by Boundy |
Totally agree, I've managed since being given permission to drive in 1974 , never to have an accident ( could have caused a few who knows) but my attitude to driving is its something which all can do but not all well enough to be safe .I until recently held the old Class 1 licence now LGV and always considered myself to be a safe driver with enough knowledge to keep myself and other road users safe from my actions. Whether other drivers feel the same who knows but the standard has imo dropped with little care for each other and many distractions, look for example new cars with large media screens fitted ,what a distraction they are and a dangerous one at that , who needs something that big , we all managed quite well with just a road map and silence now its an electronic map the size of a football pitch and dvd players throughout. |
Car drivers wouod learn if they ride a motor cycle and a bike | |
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| So these speed limits on 11:19 - Jan 31 with 538 views | Flashberryjack |
| So these speed limits on 10:22 - Jan 31 by onehunglow |
I sound like a broken 78 ( young ones ,)ask your dad )
It’s about the standard of driving
It’s not all about speed
Biggest issue now is lack of concentration,application and hazard perception .
Most drivers have not a forking clue as to how to control a vehicle either at speed or round urban areas .
Chuck in the fact most are more bothered about what their phone is doing rather than thinking bout th3ir driving nd there you hve it
When I’m out with my dog ,which is very often,I see many drivers with faraway eyes ,titlly distracted .
I used to always drive with music on or Radio 4. Now I drive in silence so I. Onxentrate ,fully
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When I started driving many years ago, I was given this advice by an older driver.
When driving, assume that every other driver is an incompitent idiot, if they are indicating to turn left, be aware that they may be turning right.
I've always stuck to this advice, and not had a car accident in over 40 years of driving. |  |
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| So these speed limits on 11:23 - Jan 31 with 535 views | Boundy |
| So these speed limits on 11:19 - Jan 31 by Flashberryjack |
When I started driving many years ago, I was given this advice by an older driver.
When driving, assume that every other driver is an incompitent idiot, if they are indicating to turn left, be aware that they may be turning right.
I've always stuck to this advice, and not had a car accident in over 40 years of driving. |
I had similar ,one of mine was when driving think of yourself as a chauffeur driving someone important and with the power to sack you for any indiscretion when behind the wheel. Not enough take driving seriously , certainly with new cars becoming the size of military vehicles oft to do battle. | |
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| So these speed limits on 18:52 - Jan 31 with 440 views | SullutaCreturned |
| So these speed limits on 10:22 - Jan 31 by onehunglow |
I sound like a broken 78 ( young ones ,)ask your dad )
It’s about the standard of driving
It’s not all about speed
Biggest issue now is lack of concentration,application and hazard perception .
Most drivers have not a forking clue as to how to control a vehicle either at speed or round urban areas .
Chuck in the fact most are more bothered about what their phone is doing rather than thinking bout th3ir driving nd there you hve it
When I’m out with my dog ,which is very often,I see many drivers with faraway eyes ,titlly distracted .
I used to always drive with music on or Radio 4. Now I drive in silence so I. Onxentrate ,fully
Old driver see. |
It was a drum I have banged. The 20mph matters not when there are so many bad drivers around. By bad I also include those who smash the speed limits. Then there are those who do 20 in 40 and even 50 zones, I've seen them on the Pontardawe bypass, people ignoring the 40 and flying past or others going dangerously slowly.
Just today in Briton Ferry an NPT van went past us with the driver clearly texting. From the net....
According to a recent 2024 RAC survey, a significant majority of UK drivers (over 50%) admit to frequently or occasionally exceeding speed limits on various road types, with a particularly concerning rise in speeding on 20mph and 30mph roads, indicating a growing perception that breaking the speed limit is becoming commonplace; this trend is viewed as worrying due to the potential danger to vulnerable road users like pedestrians and cyclists.
Key findings from the 2024 speeding survey:
High prevalence of speeding:
Over 50% of drivers reported speeding on motorways, with similar percentages admitting to speeding on 60mph, 30mph, and even 20mph roads.
Perception of acceptability:
Many drivers believe that exceeding speed limits is becoming increasingly accepted as a driving culture in the UK.
Concerns on lower speed roads:
The rise in speeding on roads with lower speed limits is particularly concerning due to the increased risk to pedestrians and cyclists.
Potential reasons for the observed increase in speeding:
Driver perception of speed limits as targets: Some drivers may view speed limits as a guideline to be slightly exceeded rather than a strict limit.
Lack of enforcement: Drivers might feel less likely to be caught speeding due to perceived insufficient enforcement.
Road design factors: Certain road layouts or conditions may encourage speeding behavior.
Possible actions to address the issue:
Increased enforcement campaigns: More visible police presence and targeted speed camera operations.
Public awareness campaigns: Educating drivers about the dangers of speeding and the consequences of exceeding speed limits.
Road design improvements: Modifying road layouts to discourage excessive speed.
Technology-based solutions: Exploring the use of intelligent speed assistance systems in vehicles. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 19:08 - Jan 31 with 438 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 18:52 - Jan 31 by SullutaCreturned |
It was a drum I have banged. The 20mph matters not when there are so many bad drivers around. By bad I also include those who smash the speed limits. Then there are those who do 20 in 40 and even 50 zones, I've seen them on the Pontardawe bypass, people ignoring the 40 and flying past or others going dangerously slowly.
Just today in Briton Ferry an NPT van went past us with the driver clearly texting. From the net....
According to a recent 2024 RAC survey, a significant majority of UK drivers (over 50%) admit to frequently or occasionally exceeding speed limits on various road types, with a particularly concerning rise in speeding on 20mph and 30mph roads, indicating a growing perception that breaking the speed limit is becoming commonplace; this trend is viewed as worrying due to the potential danger to vulnerable road users like pedestrians and cyclists.
Key findings from the 2024 speeding survey:
High prevalence of speeding:
Over 50% of drivers reported speeding on motorways, with similar percentages admitting to speeding on 60mph, 30mph, and even 20mph roads.
Perception of acceptability:
Many drivers believe that exceeding speed limits is becoming increasingly accepted as a driving culture in the UK.
Concerns on lower speed roads:
The rise in speeding on roads with lower speed limits is particularly concerning due to the increased risk to pedestrians and cyclists.
Potential reasons for the observed increase in speeding:
Driver perception of speed limits as targets: Some drivers may view speed limits as a guideline to be slightly exceeded rather than a strict limit.
Lack of enforcement: Drivers might feel less likely to be caught speeding due to perceived insufficient enforcement.
Road design factors: Certain road layouts or conditions may encourage speeding behavior.
Possible actions to address the issue:
Increased enforcement campaigns: More visible police presence and targeted speed camera operations.
Public awareness campaigns: Educating drivers about the dangers of speeding and the consequences of exceeding speed limits.
Road design improvements: Modifying road layouts to discourage excessive speed.
Technology-based solutions: Exploring the use of intelligent speed assistance systems in vehicles. |
Great post
Kids read to pass a test that will just see them get a licence
Then they think they know it all and death lurks around every corner
Their steel cage is no protection at all
I would raise the min age to 21 and test them after twelve months as that is thectimectgryboick up bad and lethal habits
Try telling anyone there a bad driver . Easier to suggest bedroom performance is poor | |
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| So these speed limits on 19:27 - Jan 31 with 415 views | builthjack |
| So these speed limits on 11:05 - Jan 27 by lifelong |
Did you hear the one about the Police bust in Liverpool?
Apparently they have arrested 3 of 4 well known Scouse Islamic terrorists.
Bin Snortin
Bin Dealin
and Bin Thievin
So far there’s no sign of Bin Workin. |
They don’t have wheely bins, just bins.
All the wheels have been half inched. | |
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| So these speed limits on 19:27 - Jan 31 with 414 views | max936 |
| So these speed limits on 09:29 - Jan 31 by lifelong |
Max, we’ve been through all these arguments on the other large thread, if you are driving anywhere in built up areas where there are schools and work places at those times you mentioned there are going to be hold ups.I don’t believe that the 20mph makes that much of a difference. |
Its fine in places where they are absolutely needed, but they have gone about it wrong by being indiscriminate in their use, I live with it everyday and its still a pain, thankfully Burry Port is the furthest west I've been for weeks, | |
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| So these speed limits on 19:49 - Jan 31 with 380 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 19:27 - Jan 31 by builthjack |
They don’t have wheely bins, just bins.
All the wheels have been half inched. |
Explain the relevance to this thread . | |
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| So these speed limits on 00:19 - Feb 1 with 302 views | Robbie |
Traffic builds up ouside my place in the morning , traffic lights and the school run added to working commuters in the hold ups .
Every other driver I witness has a phone lodged on the steering wheel or on their laps and texting away .
Crawling traffic , a sharp brake light in front and it is a rear end shunt , hopefully minimal damage but shock value .
Most of these drivers are taking their children to School .
What message does that send out to the kids , my mum drives whilst playing with her phone
So that is OK then . | | | |
| So these speed limits on 08:23 - Feb 1 with 242 views | felixstowe_jack |
| So these speed limits on 18:34 - Jan 30 by SullutaCreturned |
Well it's earned quite a bit for Westminster and aparently it's saved about 10 lives, and around 90 fewer serious injuries.
I would love to know how many lives this 40 million would have saved if given to the NHS but we will never know. So for now, and until we have the 3 years data maybe we should just accept it as potentially very good news. Any life saved/death prevented is good news. |
The Welsh government figure say no such thing . They say serious injuries and deaths have fallen by 100 in 30mph and 20mph areas
They have not actually broken down those figures into 20mph and 30mph let alone produced a figure for a reduction in deaths.
The figures for q3 show of serious injuries 2% were deaths. Using the Welsh government figure of 100 fewer serios injuries that means 2 fewer deaths.
But again no breakdown into seperate 20mph or 30mph areas.
Accidents have been falling year or year. In the UK in q3 Road deaths also fell by 2%
Uk serious injuries down 4%
Uk deaths per billion miles travelled down 3%
Uk casualties per billion miles travelled down 6% | |
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| So these speed limits on 09:22 - Feb 1 with 221 views | Whiterockin |
| So these speed limits on 08:23 - Feb 1 by felixstowe_jack |
The Welsh government figure say no such thing . They say serious injuries and deaths have fallen by 100 in 30mph and 20mph areas
They have not actually broken down those figures into 20mph and 30mph let alone produced a figure for a reduction in deaths.
The figures for q3 show of serious injuries 2% were deaths. Using the Welsh government figure of 100 fewer serios injuries that means 2 fewer deaths.
But again no breakdown into seperate 20mph or 30mph areas.
Accidents have been falling year or year. In the UK in q3 Road deaths also fell by 2%
Uk serious injuries down 4%
Uk deaths per billion miles travelled down 3%
Uk casualties per billion miles travelled down 6% |
Didn't we have distorted figures in Wales the previous 12 months when there were two car accidents where youngsters died. |  | | |
| So these speed limits on 11:05 - Feb 1 with 156 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The Senedd analysis combines 20 and 30 mph road data. There is no analysis of the 20mph roads despite the fact that they are all known. |  |
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| So these speed limits on 11:06 - Feb 1 with 156 views | Whiterockin |
The stats are not available to differentiate between 20 mph and 30 mph roads, the stats blanket them together. So it is impossible to say categorically that the change to 20 mph has made any difference. Provide stats for 20 mph roads and we can judge if there is an improvement. | | | |
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