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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. 17:30 - Jan 25 with 1243 viewsReslovenSwan1

Williams gas blamed the players for the latest surrender and blamed the defeat as a " mindset" issue. Some suggest he has lost the dressing room. If Williams wants to save his neck he has no choice but to relieve Grimes of the captaincy and push him into the number 10 position and not this nonsense Quarter back dep role.

Cullen or Cabano has to be given the job. Not next month but now.

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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:35 - Jan 25 with 1202 viewsonehunglow

I suggested it months ago
They hate his “ system”
In life,we learn from mistakes and losses ,not victories and success

What has Willaims learned ?
Nothing at all

He proves it every time he opens his gob

He is out of his depth but hasn’t the decency to accept it. One not worthy of any respect as a coach h or man .

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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:52 - Jan 25 with 1158 viewsReslovenSwan1

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:35 - Jan 25 by onehunglow

I suggested it months ago
They hate his “ system”
In life,we learn from mistakes and losses ,not victories and success

What has Willaims learned ?
Nothing at all

He proves it every time he opens his gob

He is out of his depth but hasn’t the decency to accept it. One not worthy of any respect as a coach h or man .


All of us are learning everyday and Williams must change tactics. It is easy to suggest he is "out of his depth" but that is only true if he cannot adapt and change his tactics.

Even Bobby Robson was forced to change during a World cup where from recollection he dropped Butch Wilkins who played similar to Grimes and stifling creativity..

Williams solution was to sell or loan out the hungry lions stars of the u21 team Abdullai and Wilson thereby reducing his options and letting the older players he has been ravishing praise on know they are safe from the chop.
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:54 - Jan 25 with 1145 viewsunion_jack

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:52 - Jan 25 by ReslovenSwan1

All of us are learning everyday and Williams must change tactics. It is easy to suggest he is "out of his depth" but that is only true if he cannot adapt and change his tactics.

Even Bobby Robson was forced to change during a World cup where from recollection he dropped Butch Wilkins who played similar to Grimes and stifling creativity..

Williams solution was to sell or loan out the hungry lions stars of the u21 team Abdullai and Wilson thereby reducing his options and letting the older players he has been ravishing praise on know they are safe from the chop.
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But Luke said we were fine tactically today. I don’t now who to believe.🙄

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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 18:24 - Jan 25 with 1026 viewsonehunglow

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:52 - Jan 25 by ReslovenSwan1

All of us are learning everyday and Williams must change tactics. It is easy to suggest he is "out of his depth" but that is only true if he cannot adapt and change his tactics.

Even Bobby Robson was forced to change during a World cup where from recollection he dropped Butch Wilkins who played similar to Grimes and stifling creativity..

Williams solution was to sell or loan out the hungry lions stars of the u21 team Abdullai and Wilson thereby reducing his options and letting the older players he has been ravishing praise on know they are safe from the chop.
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We are clearly not learning
We replicate mistakes
To suggest we are learning is simply madness

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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 19:14 - Jan 25 with 905 viewsEagleEye

Grimes should have been relieved of the captaincy a couple of years ago. It should have been given to Darling. Changing managers so often hasn’t helped this situation. He will never make a no. 10 as longs as I have a hole in my backside. We need a new coach to come in & to shake things down & appoint a new captain
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 19:53 - Jan 25 with 773 viewsSullutaCreturned

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 17:52 - Jan 25 by ReslovenSwan1

All of us are learning everyday and Williams must change tactics. It is easy to suggest he is "out of his depth" but that is only true if he cannot adapt and change his tactics.

Even Bobby Robson was forced to change during a World cup where from recollection he dropped Butch Wilkins who played similar to Grimes and stifling creativity..

Williams solution was to sell or loan out the hungry lions stars of the u21 team Abdullai and Wilson thereby reducing his options and letting the older players he has been ravishing praise on know they are safe from the chop.
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I agree with you but the evidence does suggest that he has "pulled a Martin" as in he changed tactics briefly but then after a few good results reverted to type.

Bobby Robson was a much better manager who wasn't averse to change because he knew that you can't keep forcing square pegs into round holes and everything will turn out good.

The last para hits the nail on the head. We have a thin squad, we needed it adding to but instead we have offloaded players. Instead of giving a youngster a chance to impress he has sent some on loan and sold Abdullai. We've done that and only brought in one loan player. Whether LW agrees with that or it was done by those above him because of P&S I can't say but right now it seems like the club is being run by incompetents.

Now Grimes, there's a group of us on here who have been critical of Grimes for a long time and conversely, there's a group who have always defended him but I don't see much sign of his defence tonight (much like the last 28 minutes of the match actually!) so does everyone, or at least most of us finally agree that he is not a Captain and he isn't the great influence that some have claimed? Answers welcome, please someone, can anybody efend him, or any of the players?

The best defence seems to be that LW is totally out of his depth, that LW has lost the dressing room and has no answer to this "slump" so he needs to go. There may be some merit in that but the person that needs to make that call seems to be dithering.
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 20:31 - Jan 25 with 693 viewsonehunglow

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 19:53 - Jan 25 by SullutaCreturned

I agree with you but the evidence does suggest that he has "pulled a Martin" as in he changed tactics briefly but then after a few good results reverted to type.

Bobby Robson was a much better manager who wasn't averse to change because he knew that you can't keep forcing square pegs into round holes and everything will turn out good.

The last para hits the nail on the head. We have a thin squad, we needed it adding to but instead we have offloaded players. Instead of giving a youngster a chance to impress he has sent some on loan and sold Abdullai. We've done that and only brought in one loan player. Whether LW agrees with that or it was done by those above him because of P&S I can't say but right now it seems like the club is being run by incompetents.

Now Grimes, there's a group of us on here who have been critical of Grimes for a long time and conversely, there's a group who have always defended him but I don't see much sign of his defence tonight (much like the last 28 minutes of the match actually!) so does everyone, or at least most of us finally agree that he is not a Captain and he isn't the great influence that some have claimed? Answers welcome, please someone, can anybody efend him, or any of the players?

The best defence seems to be that LW is totally out of his depth, that LW has lost the dressing room and has no answer to this "slump" so he needs to go. There may be some merit in that but the person that needs to make that call seems to be dithering.


It takes time for sone to accept they are wrong
Grimes has kidded many people
He’s a chin man if a footballer

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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:20 - Jan 25 with 588 viewsRichardO

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 20:31 - Jan 25 by onehunglow

It takes time for sone to accept they are wrong
Grimes has kidded many people
He’s a chin man if a footballer


Grimes movement, pressing forward into space and pass tp Key led to his cross for Cullen to score our goal, three players who when they get their game right seem to have good points going for them, 30 seconds later that came crumbling down, Tymon's fault or just what is being asked of them.
I expected a defence that would ne a bit shaky with the new play in place but generally we had the game within our grasp until the inevitable lack of concentration which resulted in the first and them the soul destroying second, and the mistakes just kept on coming.
Grimes is not a defensive midfielder he hasn't the pace for it, we see players sizing up players knowing the ones they can outstrip as they push the ball passed them, Rodon on the ball being chased by Cullen springs to mind. Two slow players linking up the midfield doesn't work until they commit forward but they can't if the fullbackks have pressed on.
Fullbacks down the wings or in the midfield, with the Captian struck deep in between to centrehalves all the time is crazy, if the centrebacks can't see a out ball they still have the goalie they don't need fullbacks crowding the wingers out they need quick balls to the wingers with support in the middle of the park from the midfield. They can switch play using the fullbacks and don't have to got through Grimes.
I would have Franco as our defensive midfield anchor man over Grimes any day of the week, sorry Captian and midfield anchor man.
Time for a change in the middle someone who sees the gaps as they appear and is talking to his players all the time while organising.
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:32 - Jan 25 with 547 viewsWhiterockin

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:20 - Jan 25 by RichardO

Grimes movement, pressing forward into space and pass tp Key led to his cross for Cullen to score our goal, three players who when they get their game right seem to have good points going for them, 30 seconds later that came crumbling down, Tymon's fault or just what is being asked of them.
I expected a defence that would ne a bit shaky with the new play in place but generally we had the game within our grasp until the inevitable lack of concentration which resulted in the first and them the soul destroying second, and the mistakes just kept on coming.
Grimes is not a defensive midfielder he hasn't the pace for it, we see players sizing up players knowing the ones they can outstrip as they push the ball passed them, Rodon on the ball being chased by Cullen springs to mind. Two slow players linking up the midfield doesn't work until they commit forward but they can't if the fullbackks have pressed on.
Fullbacks down the wings or in the midfield, with the Captian struck deep in between to centrehalves all the time is crazy, if the centrebacks can't see a out ball they still have the goalie they don't need fullbacks crowding the wingers out they need quick balls to the wingers with support in the middle of the park from the midfield. They can switch play using the fullbacks and don't have to got through Grimes.
I would have Franco as our defensive midfield anchor man over Grimes any day of the week, sorry Captian and midfield anchor man.
Time for a change in the middle someone who sees the gaps as they appear and is talking to his players all the time while organising.


Just cutting out individual errors would give us more chance in games.
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:48 - Jan 25 with 502 viewsRichardO

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:32 - Jan 25 by Whiterockin

Just cutting out individual errors would give us more chance in games.


I agree, we end up taking too much time in the ball in the defence, making too many attempts to try and control the ball in the midfield when facing our goalie instead of using one touch as and when needed but providing the support they need, you will never stop players making mistakes but being in a formation to cover for those mistakes is paramount at the moment we are playing high risk football with very little safe guards in place
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 22:09 - Jan 25 with 425 viewsSullutaCreturned

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:32 - Jan 25 by Whiterockin

Just cutting out individual errors would give us more chance in games.


The way we play invites pressure and under that pressure we make more mistakes than we should.

The style has to change, we have to be pragmatic and understand there are times when you have to just clear the ball, reset and go again.
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Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 22:12 - Jan 25 with 418 viewsonehunglow

Williams now has no choice but to get a new captain. on 21:32 - Jan 25 by Whiterockin

Just cutting out individual errors would give us more chance in games.


They play risky stuff when no need
They don’t have the ability
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