| The boy done good on 12:16 - Jan 24 with 2712 views | TalkingSutty |
A local lad doing very well for himself, not just that but a Dale fan and former Director who was very instrumental a couple of years ago in saving the club from the clutches of Morton House. A fella who also put a awful lot of his own money into the club. Cameron Ogden and his family should be networking with the likes of Jamie, especially with his links to learning platforms and the NHS etc. The exact sort of bridges that the club should be building. This is a open goal but unfortunately there is nobody at the club with the savvy or gumption to pick up the phone and have a conversation. It's the reason why Cameron Ogden needs to look at how his club is operating and who is making the big decisions. I won't be at the forum but the question as to why Jamie is not still involved and attending on matchdays needs posing, is he afforded the same matchday hospitality invites as other ex Directors like Andrew Kelly, Graham Morris etc? If he isn't then why not? [Post edited 24 Jan 12:23]
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| The boy done good on 12:35 - Jan 24 with 2635 views | 100notout |
| The boy done good on 12:16 - Jan 24 by TalkingSutty |
A local lad doing very well for himself, not just that but a Dale fan and former Director who was very instrumental a couple of years ago in saving the club from the clutches of Morton House. A fella who also put a awful lot of his own money into the club. Cameron Ogden and his family should be networking with the likes of Jamie, especially with his links to learning platforms and the NHS etc. The exact sort of bridges that the club should be building. This is a open goal but unfortunately there is nobody at the club with the savvy or gumption to pick up the phone and have a conversation. It's the reason why Cameron Ogden needs to look at how his club is operating and who is making the big decisions. I won't be at the forum but the question as to why Jamie is not still involved and attending on matchdays needs posing, is he afforded the same matchday hospitality invites as other ex Directors like Andrew Kelly, Graham Morris etc? If he isn't then why not? [Post edited 24 Jan 12:23]
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Bang on - an unsung hero who deserves some recognition.
Put his own money into the club in its hour of need rather than spare change from his mother-in law |  |
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| The boy done good on 12:41 - Jan 24 with 2613 views | judd |
| The boy done good on 12:16 - Jan 24 by TalkingSutty |
A local lad doing very well for himself, not just that but a Dale fan and former Director who was very instrumental a couple of years ago in saving the club from the clutches of Morton House. A fella who also put a awful lot of his own money into the club. Cameron Ogden and his family should be networking with the likes of Jamie, especially with his links to learning platforms and the NHS etc. The exact sort of bridges that the club should be building. This is a open goal but unfortunately there is nobody at the club with the savvy or gumption to pick up the phone and have a conversation. It's the reason why Cameron Ogden needs to look at how his club is operating and who is making the big decisions. I won't be at the forum but the question as to why Jamie is not still involved and attending on matchdays needs posing, is he afforded the same matchday hospitality invites as other ex Directors like Andrew Kelly, Graham Morris etc? If he isn't then why not? [Post edited 24 Jan 12:23]
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Good post.
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| The boy done good on 15:17 - Jan 24 with 2325 views | Dalenet |
An interesting read. And talking of ex directors, does anybody know how Andrew Kelly is? Last time I heard he wasn't well. I know he is Vice President of the club - but does he still attend games? | | | |
| The boy done good on 00:41 - Jan 25 with 1912 views | Dale85 |
Wouldn’t mind having Jamie back. Proper fan who wanted best for the club |  | | |
| The boy done good on 09:58 - Jan 25 with 1674 views | Down_the_Ale |
| The boy done good on 12:16 - Jan 24 by TalkingSutty |
A local lad doing very well for himself, not just that but a Dale fan and former Director who was very instrumental a couple of years ago in saving the club from the clutches of Morton House. A fella who also put a awful lot of his own money into the club. Cameron Ogden and his family should be networking with the likes of Jamie, especially with his links to learning platforms and the NHS etc. The exact sort of bridges that the club should be building. This is a open goal but unfortunately there is nobody at the club with the savvy or gumption to pick up the phone and have a conversation. It's the reason why Cameron Ogden needs to look at how his club is operating and who is making the big decisions. I won't be at the forum but the question as to why Jamie is not still involved and attending on matchdays needs posing, is he afforded the same matchday hospitality invites as other ex Directors like Andrew Kelly, Graham Morris etc? If he isn't then why not? [Post edited 24 Jan 12:23]
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You may not be surprised to hear he was forced out by a certain co-chair!
Jamie is a top lad, that was heavily involved in finding an investor, and when he did, it would have meant less power for others. When the Chair's ego kicked in, Jamie was forced out. Unfortunately the ego is still important than the club so I can't see Jamie back unless a particular someone finally walks away, for the good of the club.
I know legal threats have become quite familiar around Rochdale (not just at the Dale) by this particular Luton fan, at a cost to everyone but himself. Bet he's not so vocal about his team at the moment! | | | |
| The boy done good on 10:02 - Jan 25 with 1665 views | Down_the_Ale |
Does anyone know if Jan Wormald (a friend of Jamie's) is still involved? | | | |
| The boy done good on 11:11 - Jan 25 with 1565 views | TalkingSutty |
| The boy done good on 09:58 - Jan 25 by Down_the_Ale |
You may not be surprised to hear he was forced out by a certain co-chair!
Jamie is a top lad, that was heavily involved in finding an investor, and when he did, it would have meant less power for others. When the Chair's ego kicked in, Jamie was forced out. Unfortunately the ego is still important than the club so I can't see Jamie back unless a particular someone finally walks away, for the good of the club.
I know legal threats have become quite familiar around Rochdale (not just at the Dale) by this particular Luton fan, at a cost to everyone but himself. Bet he's not so vocal about his team at the moment! |
Well since Simon Gauge became Chairman the club has regressed to the point of us losing our league status and coming within weeks of losing the club. Poor decision making from those in the Boardroom, poor managerial appointments and decisions from the top that contributed in us being relegated...who in their right mind would send the best player in the club ( Ethan Brierley) to train at a club that was under a transfer embargo? At a time when we desperately needed him on the pitch. That must have been ratified by the Chairman. In fact had it not been for fan intervention we would have had a con man from St Ann's, who really lived in a flat in Preston and a DJ from Norwich in charge of the club. Somebody at the club fell hook line and sinker for that one. Fan intervention also introduced the Ogden family to the club, that wasnt Simon Gauge's work.
I posted on here about 2 years ago that a EGM should have been called to remove him from his position, at the time he decided single handedly and without consultation to change the direction of the club. I've also officially contacted the Trust on two occasions to call a EGM in respect of Simon Gauge and his inability to run the club properly. As a member of the Supporters Trust I'm well within my rights to do that. To be honest the Trust have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to shining a light on their relationship with Simon Gauge, they've now been rendered toothless and thats never been more evident since Murray Knight entered the boardroom. The biggest tragedy in all of that relationship is that we have recently lost possibly the best Trust Chairman that we could have wished for, certainly in the same mould as Col Cav. I suspect the fall out from that has been celebrated in the boardroom, one less person to challenge and hold them to account. The club isn't a dictatorship and if shareholders and fans have worries about how the club is being run then they should speak up and contact the Ogden family. I think they would want us to do that having invested millions in the club.
It's nothing personal in respect of Simon Gauge, he's a retired pilot with zero experience in running a multi million pound business, never mind a football club and it shows. The buck stops with him when it comes to us dropping out of the league, it was on his watch and legal threats don't work when your observations can be backed up by facts. If shareholders are concerned then they are well within their rights to ask for the removal of the Chairman, nothing he can do about that. If the fans hadn't have expressed their concerns several years ago in respect of how he club was being run it would no longer be here. The fans have also put hundreds of thousands of pounds into saving the club, it was never all down to Simon Gauge, or his family or whoever. [Post edited 25 Jan 11:30]
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| The boy done good on 11:33 - Jan 25 with 1490 views | pioneer |
| The boy done good on 11:11 - Jan 25 by TalkingSutty |
Well since Simon Gauge became Chairman the club has regressed to the point of us losing our league status and coming within weeks of losing the club. Poor decision making from those in the Boardroom, poor managerial appointments and decisions from the top that contributed in us being relegated...who in their right mind would send the best player in the club ( Ethan Brierley) to train at a club that was under a transfer embargo? At a time when we desperately needed him on the pitch. That must have been ratified by the Chairman. In fact had it not been for fan intervention we would have had a con man from St Ann's, who really lived in a flat in Preston and a DJ from Norwich in charge of the club. Somebody at the club fell hook line and sinker for that one. Fan intervention also introduced the Ogden family to the club, that wasnt Simon Gauge's work.
I posted on here about 2 years ago that a EGM should have been called to remove him from his position, at the time he decided single handedly and without consultation to change the direction of the club. I've also officially contacted the Trust on two occasions to call a EGM in respect of Simon Gauge and his inability to run the club properly. As a member of the Supporters Trust I'm well within my rights to do that. To be honest the Trust have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to shining a light on their relationship with Simon Gauge, they've now been rendered toothless and thats never been more evident since Murray Knight entered the boardroom. The biggest tragedy in all of that relationship is that we have recently lost possibly the best Trust Chairman that we could have wished for, certainly in the same mould as Col Cav. I suspect the fall out from that has been celebrated in the boardroom, one less person to challenge and hold them to account. The club isn't a dictatorship and if shareholders and fans have worries about how the club is being run then they should speak up and contact the Ogden family. I think they would want us to do that having invested millions in the club.
It's nothing personal in respect of Simon Gauge, he's a retired pilot with zero experience in running a multi million pound business, never mind a football club and it shows. The buck stops with him when it comes to us dropping out of the league, it was on his watch and legal threats don't work when your observations can be backed up by facts. If shareholders are concerned then they are well within their rights to ask for the removal of the Chairman, nothing he can do about that. If the fans hadn't have expressed their concerns several years ago in respect of how he club was being run it would no longer be here. The fans have also put hundreds of thousands of pounds into saving the club, it was never all down to Simon Gauge, or his family or whoever. [Post edited 25 Jan 11:30]
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Shareholders are toothless since the last EGM. The only voice that counts is that of the Ogdens and so far they have been fully supportive of Gauge (obviously its not a case of track records but what you spout)
Nothing we can do as fans or shareholders. Its the Ogdens club…not ours. We need to get used to it.
Its happened to perhaps the greatest club side in the world, Man Utd, so perhaps we shouldnt be surprised it has happened to our own club. And remember the shareholders voted for it. Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind. | | | |
| The boy done good on 11:34 - Jan 25 with 1489 views | TVOS1907 |
| The boy done good on 10:02 - Jan 25 by Down_the_Ale |
Does anyone know if Jan Wormald (a friend of Jamie's) is still involved? |
https://rochdaleafc.co.uk/whos-who/ |  |
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| The boy done good on 11:42 - Jan 25 with 1452 views | 442Dale |
One question that hasn’t been really answered is whether the last EGM and voting through the creation of all those new shares was necessary for the Ogdens to get involved?
The amount and percentage of control wasn’t properly explained at that stage. Happy to be corrected with details of the specifics. |  |
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| The boy done good on 12:01 - Jan 25 with 1397 views | judd |
| The boy done good on 11:42 - Jan 25 by 442Dale |
One question that hasn’t been really answered is whether the last EGM and voting through the creation of all those new shares was necessary for the Ogdens to get involved?
The amount and percentage of control wasn’t properly explained at that stage. Happy to be corrected with details of the specifics. |
The shares were created in order for World Soccer Holdings (I think) to gain 90% of the club. They were not necessary for the Ogden family to gain control. To be fair to Simon, he did consider an EGM to reverse the decision to create the new shares. I don't know why that didn't happen, I can only guess it was a timing thing, given the near terminal health of the club at the time. | |
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| The boy done good on 12:17 - Jan 25 with 1355 views | D_Alien |
| The boy done good on 11:42 - Jan 25 by 442Dale |
One question that hasn’t been really answered is whether the last EGM and voting through the creation of all those new shares was necessary for the Ogdens to get involved?
The amount and percentage of control wasn’t properly explained at that stage. Happy to be corrected with details of the specifics. |
Again, happy to be corrected, but wasn't it also a stipulation by the Ogdens that Simon Gauge should retain his shareholding as part of their takeover deal?
If they'd bought him out, he'd no longer be the cause of discontent, and perhaps Jamie Sarsfield would still be on the board as a huge asset
My understanding is that the Ogdens wanted someone to act as a co-chair since they couldn't take up the reins on a day-to-day basis, so it's understandable why Gauge now finds himself doing that, but at that point they'd have had little knowledge of how Gauge's lack of experience and poor relationship with fans might impact the club. Perhaps they even had his version of what the fanbase was like (yes, there were idiots who put him in a position where he'd had reason to think that, but that's just a small minority)
We're now around nine months on. I wonder if the Ogden view has changed? If not, shareholders have every right to challenge that narrative [Post edited 25 Jan 12:17]
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| The boy done good on 12:35 - Jan 25 with 1278 views | TalkingSutty |
| The boy done good on 11:33 - Jan 25 by pioneer |
Shareholders are toothless since the last EGM. The only voice that counts is that of the Ogdens and so far they have been fully supportive of Gauge (obviously its not a case of track records but what you spout)
Nothing we can do as fans or shareholders. Its the Ogdens club…not ours. We need to get used to it.
Its happened to perhaps the greatest club side in the world, Man Utd, so perhaps we shouldnt be surprised it has happened to our own club. And remember the shareholders voted for it. Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind. |
You're wrong, shareholders are quite entitled to voice their concerns in respect of individuals who are running the club. They can do that without the co-chairman threatening legal action, i'd be surprised if hes actually done that to be honest.That's what shareholders are supposed to do hold those running the club to account . Others might think Gauge has done a great job and they might view his financial input as a good enough reason to not hold him to account, i don't see it that way. When you're the captain of the ship, the buck stops with you, good leaders embrace that. | | | |
| The boy done good on 14:27 - Jan 25 with 1081 views | kel |
| The boy done good on 09:58 - Jan 25 by Down_the_Ale |
You may not be surprised to hear he was forced out by a certain co-chair!
Jamie is a top lad, that was heavily involved in finding an investor, and when he did, it would have meant less power for others. When the Chair's ego kicked in, Jamie was forced out. Unfortunately the ego is still important than the club so I can't see Jamie back unless a particular someone finally walks away, for the good of the club.
I know legal threats have become quite familiar around Rochdale (not just at the Dale) by this particular Luton fan, at a cost to everyone but himself. Bet he's not so vocal about his team at the moment! |
I’m far from Gauge’s biggest fan but I’m glad he never fought Bottomley’s corner like some former directors did…
You’re here to stir it up, it’s as simple as that. |  |
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| The boy done good on 14:51 - Jan 25 with 1047 views | TalkingSutty |
| The boy done good on 14:27 - Jan 25 by kel |
I’m far from Gauge’s biggest fan but I’m glad he never fought Bottomley’s corner like some former directors did…
You’re here to stir it up, it’s as simple as that. |
Very true that..short term so called Directors all trying to feather their own nest and aid and abetting Bottomley, the man who tried to kill our club. They all purport to be life long fans though, one was even called out by the EFL for his part in the saga and has the brass neck to sit in the Directors box. Then they wonder why some fans treat them with contempt. Some have been recognised by the club and made honorary members, the truth is they were all in cahoots with Bottomley and assisted him. Grindrod even went out to bat for Bottomley in a last minute attempt to stop him being voted off the board at the EGM, a proper rat and it wont be forgotten. [Post edited 25 Jan 14:54]
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| The boy done good on 19:40 - Jan 25 with 744 views | kel |
| The boy done good on 14:51 - Jan 25 by TalkingSutty |
Very true that..short term so called Directors all trying to feather their own nest and aid and abetting Bottomley, the man who tried to kill our club. They all purport to be life long fans though, one was even called out by the EFL for his part in the saga and has the brass neck to sit in the Directors box. Then they wonder why some fans treat them with contempt. Some have been recognised by the club and made honorary members, the truth is they were all in cahoots with Bottomley and assisted him. Grindrod even went out to bat for Bottomley in a last minute attempt to stop him being voted off the board at the EGM, a proper rat and it wont be forgotten. [Post edited 25 Jan 14:54]
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Quite. Some profess to love the dale but are really more interested in what food and drinks they have on match days in hospitality.
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| The boy done good on 22:46 - Jan 25 with 532 views | pioneer |
| The boy done good on 12:35 - Jan 25 by TalkingSutty |
You're wrong, shareholders are quite entitled to voice their concerns in respect of individuals who are running the club. They can do that without the co-chairman threatening legal action, i'd be surprised if hes actually done that to be honest.That's what shareholders are supposed to do hold those running the club to account . Others might think Gauge has done a great job and they might view his financial input as a good enough reason to not hold him to account, i don't see it that way. When you're the captain of the ship, the buck stops with you, good leaders embrace that. |
Shareholders can voice their opinions….if AGMs are held at reasonable times for them to attend. And the majority shareholders can choose to ignore them. The days of small shareholders getting together to determine the direction of the club are over.
The only people with the prospect of influence now are the season ticket holders. It would be a big hit to Mr Gauge and his supporters if the season ticket holders got together and stopped buying their season tickets. Not that I am suggesting they do that…but its the only influence left. | | | |
| The boy done good on 22:55 - Jan 25 with 505 views | D_Alien |
| The boy done good on 22:46 - Jan 25 by pioneer |
Shareholders can voice their opinions….if AGMs are held at reasonable times for them to attend. And the majority shareholders can choose to ignore them. The days of small shareholders getting together to determine the direction of the club are over.
The only people with the prospect of influence now are the season ticket holders. It would be a big hit to Mr Gauge and his supporters if the season ticket holders got together and stopped buying their season tickets. Not that I am suggesting they do that…but its the only influence left. |
Well, that's not quite all...
The Trust have a 'position' on the board. If the Trust were to put a motion of No Confidence forward in the co-Chair, it'd have to be taken seriously
Any claim of becoming a "community-based club" which the Ogdens aspire to simply couldn't be envisaged without the support of the Trust
Is that going to happen? I think hell is likely to freeze over first, but to suggest there's no options (and there may be others) isn't quite right [Post edited 25 Jan 22:56]
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