| Fiddly Hilly? 20:22 - Nov 2 with 15868 views | D_Dale |
I thought there might have been some comment on the manager's pre-match thoughts posted on the OS this afternoon. Some of them are pasted below.
Over the years, unless forced to make changes because of injury or suspension, Hill has tended to follow the 'don't change a winning side' mantra. Surely he's not really going to make 'at least six changes' to the team that beat Charlton?
Also surprising is the information that last Saturday he was so late in deciding his selection that the team sheet had to be rewritten.
I appreciate his preparedness to share his thoughts, but the implication that he'll pick the team to start against Luton in an intuitive, last-minute sort of way is a bit unnerving. Maybe it's part of a cunning plan to foil the visiting manager's tactics.
“It was a good win last weekend against Charlton. It leaves me quite confused, to be honest” said Hill in his pre-match interview.
“It took me the best part of a full week and a few hours to select that side - Tony had already done the team sheet when I came in [on the morning of the game] and he had to fill a new one in, so as much as we did really well against Charlton and showed our working qualities, I think I’ve got to rip the plan up and start again because we don’t seem to be getting any consistency.
“When we win we games, I think I’ve got to change at least six players to get another winning formula for the next game.
“I feel as though it’s not just a question of our plans, it’s also a feeling as well [which is why I made the decision on the day of the game]. We got it right against Charlton, but we got it so wrong — the players and myself against Wycombe — but we got it so right against Bradford. If I go on training, I think probably a third of the team that started on Saturday don’t play.” |  | | |  |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:38 - Nov 2 with 6516 views | rich_dale |
Beat me to it. He seems to vest a lot into how training goes during the week. Can take an educated guess at some of the players he doesn't think are pulling their weight. Hope he at least keeps the same back four. | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:45 - Nov 2 with 6496 views | rochdaleriddler |
So a player can play well in a game, then upset Hill in training and get dropped?. I think a winning team should earn the chance to play in the next game, we have subs to alter things if needed. This chopping and changing is silly |  |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:58 - Nov 2 with 6461 views | rich_dale |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:45 - Nov 2 by rochdaleriddler |
So a player can play well in a game, then upset Hill in training and get dropped?. I think a winning team should earn the chance to play in the next game, we have subs to alter things if needed. This chopping and changing is silly |
Agreed. Just because a player doesn't train that well in the week doesn't mean the team from last Sat won't gel on the day and play well again. | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:59 - Nov 2 with 6458 views | Molly |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:45 - Nov 2 by rochdaleriddler |
So a player can play well in a game, then upset Hill in training and get dropped?. I think a winning team should earn the chance to play in the next game, we have subs to alter things if needed. This chopping and changing is silly |
There's a simple solution to that one. When we win a game don't bother training the following week. | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 21:09 - Nov 2 with 6436 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:59 - Nov 2 by Molly |
There's a simple solution to that one. When we win a game don't bother training the following week. |
how would we learn to defend corners and crosses, without the intensive work that clearly goes in training  | |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 21:22 - Nov 2 with 6417 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 21:09 - Nov 2 by rochdaleriddler |
how would we learn to defend corners and crosses, without the intensive work that clearly goes in training |
Teach them boxing instead?? | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 21:23 - Nov 2 with 6411 views | Molly |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 21:09 - Nov 2 by rochdaleriddler |
how would we learn to defend corners and crosses, without the intensive work that clearly goes in training |
No problem. We simply put the numbers 1 to 11 in a hat and before each match Hilly draws out the lucky winner to decide who's turn it is to make the World class error that week. | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:26 - Nov 2 with 6322 views | nordenblue |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:45 - Nov 2 by rochdaleriddler |
So a player can play well in a game, then upset Hill in training and get dropped?. I think a winning team should earn the chance to play in the next game, we have subs to alter things if needed. This chopping and changing is silly |
While at the same time he moans about a lack of consistency, I wonder where that stems from...Jesus wept if this is what going to all these fancy coaching courses does I'd be giving them a wide swerve..... He has the ability to massively overcomplicate a very simple game,in his own typical cliche riddled bollox "there's no question about that" | | | |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:29 - Nov 2 with 6312 views | dalenumber2 |
"I think I’ve got to rip the plan up and start again because we don’t seem to be getting any consistency" |  | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:47 - Nov 2 with 6283 views | James1980 |
Does anyone on here know if B o D watch training sessions? | |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:48 - Nov 2 with 6273 views | dingdangblue |
'we got it so wrong — the players and myself against Wycombe'
Is that a 1st for Hilly? |  |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:52 - Nov 2 with 6266 views | dingdangblue |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 20:45 - Nov 2 by rochdaleriddler |
So a player can play well in a game, then upset Hill in training and get dropped?. I think a winning team should earn the chance to play in the next game, we have subs to alter things if needed. This chopping and changing is silly |
Bloody hell! Andy Cannon must be training worse than Paddy McCourt!! 😮 | |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:57 - Nov 2 with 6271 views | ColDale |
I loved the completely random reference to Tony Ellis's handwriting |  | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 23:33 - Nov 2 with 6214 views | rochdale_ranger |
Hill must be acting the goat if DDB is having a pop at him. |  | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 23:36 - Nov 2 with 6210 views | nordenblue |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:48 - Nov 2 by dingdangblue |
'we got it so wrong — the players and myself against Wycombe'
Is that a 1st for Hilly? |
Not really he's got the idea of defending wrong for over 18 months | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 08:48 - Nov 3 with 6039 views | Dale23years |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 22:48 - Nov 2 by dingdangblue |
'we got it so wrong — the players and myself against Wycombe'
Is that a 1st for Hilly? |
Deffo first time, but fair play to him for it, he put it right next game as well. Think if we lose today the above comments might come back to bite him on the arse. | |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 09:37 - Nov 3 with 5970 views | DaleiLama |
"As much as we did really well against Charlton and showed our working qualities, I think I’ve got to rip the plan up and start again because we don’t seem to be getting any consistency"
Had he said we are playing a better team (e.g. Barnsley) and that level of performance wouldn't have by been good enough, I could have understood it.
Saying we did really well but aren't consistent just reminds me why I don't put great stock in what he says or bother listening to it most of the time. For me this is an individual error, as is making 6 changes. Anyway, let's see.
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 09:49 - Nov 3 with 5913 views | funkkk |
Wow. Anyone else find this massively alarming? In November he has no idea; what his best team is, who wil play from one week to the next or what system to use.
Imagine if a premier league manager came out with these words, they'd be slaughtered in the press. It's borderline incompetence. |  | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 09:57 - Nov 3 with 5901 views | dalenumber2 |
He talks in riddles, always has. I don’t think he knows what he’s saying most of the time. I think’pinch of salt’ is the best approach when listening to his interviews. [Post edited 3 Nov 2018 10:07]
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:12 - Nov 3 with 5873 views | ColDale |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 09:49 - Nov 3 by funkkk |
Wow. Anyone else find this massively alarming? In November he has no idea; what his best team is, who wil play from one week to the next or what system to use.
Imagine if a premier league manager came out with these words, they'd be slaughtered in the press. It's borderline incompetence. |
Incompetence which currently has us on track for our sixth best season in our 111 year history.
Its an honesty from Hilly which a game playing PL manager wouldn't dream of doing. I reckon he's probably finding things more frustrating now than he ever has before. IN fairness we slaughtered Steve Eyre when he said he stumbled across that side at Bury that time but if Hilly is guilty of anything, its possibly from trying to many different things because of the size of the squad rather than deciding on a plan and sticking with it.
He'll have a best XI in his head but that best XI hasn't performed this season. What works on paper isn't automatically transferring to a matchday. Take the keeper - I think Moore is our 3rd best keeper at best and there's no comparison between him and Lillis, but Moore has two clean sheets in three matches.
It's been an awkward season, but the wins have been deserved as have the defeats so we are probably in a very true position in the table and like I said, there have only been five seasons in our history where we have bettered where we are now. | | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:15 - Nov 3 with 5860 views | JimmyRustler |
Bizarre comments from a bizarre man |  | | |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:23 - Nov 3 with 5820 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:12 - Nov 3 by ColDale |
Incompetence which currently has us on track for our sixth best season in our 111 year history.
Its an honesty from Hilly which a game playing PL manager wouldn't dream of doing. I reckon he's probably finding things more frustrating now than he ever has before. IN fairness we slaughtered Steve Eyre when he said he stumbled across that side at Bury that time but if Hilly is guilty of anything, its possibly from trying to many different things because of the size of the squad rather than deciding on a plan and sticking with it.
He'll have a best XI in his head but that best XI hasn't performed this season. What works on paper isn't automatically transferring to a matchday. Take the keeper - I think Moore is our 3rd best keeper at best and there's no comparison between him and Lillis, but Moore has two clean sheets in three matches.
It's been an awkward season, but the wins have been deserved as have the defeats so we are probably in a very true position in the table and like I said, there have only been five seasons in our history where we have bettered where we are now. |
I accept that Hill has done wonders, the frustrating thing is now he is like a pop singer that doesn’t like playing his old hits, and is now a bit above himself and sings them in a jazz fusion style to be ‘innovative’ and different. Fact is the fans want the same old, but go along with it because they keep hoping he will revert to type and play to the crowd. | |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:27 - Nov 3 with 5805 views | fitzochris |
He’s not yet reached the stage where he releases an album and forces it into everybody’s iTunes account. |  |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:27 - Nov 3 with 5799 views | 442Dale |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:12 - Nov 3 by ColDale |
Incompetence which currently has us on track for our sixth best season in our 111 year history.
Its an honesty from Hilly which a game playing PL manager wouldn't dream of doing. I reckon he's probably finding things more frustrating now than he ever has before. IN fairness we slaughtered Steve Eyre when he said he stumbled across that side at Bury that time but if Hilly is guilty of anything, its possibly from trying to many different things because of the size of the squad rather than deciding on a plan and sticking with it.
He'll have a best XI in his head but that best XI hasn't performed this season. What works on paper isn't automatically transferring to a matchday. Take the keeper - I think Moore is our 3rd best keeper at best and there's no comparison between him and Lillis, but Moore has two clean sheets in three matches.
It's been an awkward season, but the wins have been deserved as have the defeats so we are probably in a very true position in the table and like I said, there have only been five seasons in our history where we have bettered where we are now. |
Which is why he needs to stop mentioning how happy he is with the quality of the squad and look to reduce it because there’s a clear message that the quantity has no bearing on that quality or results. We are currently wasting money and possibly stifling the development of younger players by carrying the amount of individuals we are. A great example of this is Aaron Morley.
Still, it’s good to see Hill take accountability in an interview and give a clear illustration of why we are currently experiencing these issues and an obvious route forward. The problem creator is also the problem solver. |  |
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| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:34 - Nov 3 with 5778 views | fitzochris |
| Fiddly Hilly? on 10:27 - Nov 3 by 442Dale |
Which is why he needs to stop mentioning how happy he is with the quality of the squad and look to reduce it because there’s a clear message that the quantity has no bearing on that quality or results. We are currently wasting money and possibly stifling the development of younger players by carrying the amount of individuals we are. A great example of this is Aaron Morley.
Still, it’s good to see Hill take accountability in an interview and give a clear illustration of why we are currently experiencing these issues and an obvious route forward. The problem creator is also the problem solver. |
Zach Clough is a case in point. Hilly was offered him on loan (thanks to Sam Hart’s agent) and felt he couldn’t say no to a player of that reputable quality.
However, he clearly isn’t a Keith Hill player or trainer and is potentially another antagonist in justifiably asking why he isn’t playing.
Perkins is another. Bring him back for a year by all means, but two???
I think Hill has some brave decisions to make in January (and perhaps some are out of his hands).
Meanwhile, he has pretty much said what he needs to do. We have to hope it works. | |
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