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Is Europe turning ? 19:19 - Nov 26 with 11620 viewsKeithHaynes

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:09 - Dec 7 with 478 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 12:34 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

Please try to keep up mun …



Thanks for confirming PC vote is nowhere near the 33% you claimed earlier.

Even your beloved labour party vote has collapsed from 39.9% in the last Senedd election to just 23% the same as reform a party that has only existed for a couple of years
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Is Europe turning ? on 13:13 - Dec 7 with 445 viewsunion_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:09 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack

Thanks for confirming PC vote is nowhere near the 33% you claimed earlier.

Even your beloved labour party vote has collapsed from 39.9% in the last Senedd election to just 23% the same as reform a party that has only existed for a couple of years
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And an ever increasing Reform!

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:14 - Dec 7 with 446 viewsAnotherJohn

Is Europe turning ? on 08:36 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

Its an established fact of International law that debt cannot be taken out on behalf of a people but without the specific consent of the people.

Russia tried it to debt load Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
Russia tried to bring them to heel by giving them soviet debt.
Thrown out of court.

So wales would be debt free if UK tried to force the matter.
Instead you might think that friendly neighbours would work something out.
As i am sure you will know Ireland and the UK did this in 1925.
Of course the assets of the UK are also part of a civilised exit.

Its mad to think that you have so little respect for the uk that you think they would use debt to block a democratic path to indy.
Its like a drunk gambling violent husband telling his lovely wife that she cant leave him cos of his self created debt !


Usual waffle from our Irish friend. There is no definitive international law on this issue, as many of the states that have split up (e.g. the former Soviet Union) did not recognise the main international courts or sign relevant treaties. What one needs to look at is empirical examples, and most cases where new nation states emerged involved some form of apportionment of debt (the Soviet Union been the main case that did not follow this pattern).

https://mises.org/mises-wire/after-secession-what-happens-national-debt

But somebody who thinks Scotland and Wales are already "nations" would struggle to understand.
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Is Europe turning ? on 13:17 - Dec 7 with 439 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 10:33 - Dec 7 by SullutaCreturned

If it actually did reach 1 in 3 it has since dropped quite a bit. March 2023, support for independence dropped to its lowest level since 2019 at 18%; the drop was potentially attributed to the prospect of a Labour UK government and now we have that, maybe it's even lower than 18%, that's not even 1 in 5.


Fair

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:18 - Dec 7 with 435 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:14 - Dec 7 by AnotherJohn

Usual waffle from our Irish friend. There is no definitive international law on this issue, as many of the states that have split up (e.g. the former Soviet Union) did not recognise the main international courts or sign relevant treaties. What one needs to look at is empirical examples, and most cases where new nation states emerged involved some form of apportionment of debt (the Soviet Union been the main case that did not follow this pattern).

https://mises.org/mises-wire/after-secession-what-happens-national-debt

But somebody who thinks Scotland and Wales are already "nations" would struggle to understand.


Factually they are nations.
As is Ingerlund. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:20 - Dec 7 with 433 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 08:42 - Dec 7 by Whiterockin

It's not unusual for a partner to stay in a loveless marriage because they can't afford to leave.
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I am glad you accept its been an abusive relationship, unfit for our modern world.

Needs a reset, maybe Indy delivers that ?

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:20 - Dec 7 with 432 viewsraynor94

Is Europe turning ? on 08:40 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

Its already about 1 in 3 - and even bigger support in the younger age groups.

Its not going away.


You keep repeating the same old guff, which you know is quite obviously not true.

And make your mind up is it Cymru or Wales

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:23 - Dec 7 with 431 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 10:29 - Dec 7 by SullutaCreturned

The problem with that is that the Baltic states didn't want that debt but Wales accepts that debt, we gave the government the mandate when we elected them and the Welsh government doubled down on that permission by constantly demanding Westminster should give us more, the only way to get more is to increase the debt.

The Baltic states didn't elect the Russian government. W elected those in Westminster, can you see the difference?


No.

Wales has never voted to join the uk.

All westminster votes have a huge english majority so there is no case for Wales giving specific permission for Westmonster to run up debts in our name. Fact.

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:30 - Dec 7 with 404 viewsunion_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:23 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

No.

Wales has never voted to join the uk.

All westminster votes have a huge english majority so there is no case for Wales giving specific permission for Westmonster to run up debts in our name. Fact.


Wales has never voted to join the uk.

That maybe true but they are perfectly happy being part of it now. You may not but you’re in the great minority.

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:33 - Dec 7 with 401 viewsraynor94

Is Europe turning ? on 13:23 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

No.

Wales has never voted to join the uk.

All westminster votes have a huge english majority so there is no case for Wales giving specific permission for Westmonster to run up debts in our name. Fact.


The assembly are quite adept at running up debt, how many more vanity projects are they going to waste millions on, not to mention another 2nd rate bunch to jump on the gravy train before the next election.

Whose paying for them?

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Is Europe turning ? on 13:47 - Dec 7 with 394 viewsAnotherJohn

Is Europe turning ? on 13:18 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

Factually they are nations.
As is Ingerlund. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Scotland and Wales lack the full range of institutions that nation states possess, and you do not even try to argue that Northern Ireland is a nation. The UK is the nation state that takes its seat in forums such as the United Nations. Why do the Scots sing "Flower of Scotland" if they do not see the need "to be the nation again?" If you look at the academic devolution literature. or even the devolution legislation, you will not see the word nation used. Academics write about territories (Scott Greer) or home countries (most others), and not nations. The term "nation" admittedly lacks a precise definition, but the word just causes confusion if you are talking about sovereign states. The BBC must take a lot of blame for its pandering to the SNP, and using the N word when that makes no sense.
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Is Europe turning ? on 15:30 - Dec 7 with 359 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:18 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

Factually they are nations.
As is Ingerlund. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Factually they are not according to the United Nations.

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Is Europe turning ? on 15:51 - Dec 7 with 355 viewsSullutaCreturned

Is Europe turning ? on 13:23 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

No.

Wales has never voted to join the uk.

All westminster votes have a huge english majority so there is no case for Wales giving specific permission for Westmonster to run up debts in our name. Fact.


Can you remember Wales requesting to leave the UK?

In the last 25 years of devolution have we even asked for a referendum on the subject?

However we give the mandate to Westminster when we take part in elections and vote for a government.

You really don't understand democracy, do you?

You can have facts but you can't make up your own facts..

PS, when we take part in democratic elections and do not refuse to OR object to the result, permission is implicit.
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Is Europe turning ? on 15:59 - Dec 7 with 347 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 15:51 - Dec 7 by SullutaCreturned

Can you remember Wales requesting to leave the UK?

In the last 25 years of devolution have we even asked for a referendum on the subject?

However we give the mandate to Westminster when we take part in elections and vote for a government.

You really don't understand democracy, do you?

You can have facts but you can't make up your own facts..

PS, when we take part in democratic elections and do not refuse to OR object to the result, permission is implicit.
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Correct turn out in Wales for general elections Is between 60 and 70% which is an endorsement of UK democracy.

Turn out in senedd elections ranges from 38% in 2003 to 47% in 2021 which pretty much proves how unpopular it is.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:43 - Dec 7 with 329 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:30 - Dec 7 by union_jack

Wales has never voted to join the uk.

That maybe true but they are perfectly happy being part of it now. You may not but you’re in the great minority.


No maybe about it.
It is true.

Cymru has never voted to be part of the UK.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:46 - Dec 7 with 326 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 15:30 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack

Factually they are not according to the United Nations.


Not true.

The UK is a political group of 3 nations and the north of Ireland.

The UN also states that all people have the right of self determination.
This means any of the UK nations have the right to leave the UK political state.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:49 - Dec 7 with 320 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:33 - Dec 7 by raynor94

The assembly are quite adept at running up debt, how many more vanity projects are they going to waste millions on, not to mention another 2nd rate bunch to jump on the gravy train before the next election.

Whose paying for them?


Do you understand the scale of corruption at UK level under Johnson ?
Sit down.

The failure of Truss.
Cost of illegal wars.

Senedd is miles better.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:51 - Dec 7 with 317 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 13:47 - Dec 7 by AnotherJohn

Scotland and Wales lack the full range of institutions that nation states possess, and you do not even try to argue that Northern Ireland is a nation. The UK is the nation state that takes its seat in forums such as the United Nations. Why do the Scots sing "Flower of Scotland" if they do not see the need "to be the nation again?" If you look at the academic devolution literature. or even the devolution legislation, you will not see the word nation used. Academics write about territories (Scott Greer) or home countries (most others), and not nations. The term "nation" admittedly lacks a precise definition, but the word just causes confusion if you are talking about sovereign states. The BBC must take a lot of blame for its pandering to the SNP, and using the N word when that makes no sense.


They are factually nations.

There is no magic list to tick of institutions.

Repeat after me England is a nation, the UK is not a nation.

The north of Ireland should be part of Ireland, thats obvious to most.

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Is Europe turning ? on 16:53 - Dec 7 with 315 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 15:59 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack

Correct turn out in Wales for general elections Is between 60 and 70% which is an endorsement of UK democracy.

Turn out in senedd elections ranges from 38% in 2003 to 47% in 2021 which pretty much proves how unpopular it is.


Wales has voted twice for our Senedd.

Never been asked to join the uk though.

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:20 - Dec 7 with 300 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 16:53 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

Wales has voted twice for our Senedd.

Never been asked to join the uk though.


There has only been one vote on devolution. You made the second one up

Every time the majority of people in Wales take part in a democratic UK general election they are giving approval for the United Kingdom.

Just accept that only 20 % of Welsh people want independence the rest want to remain part of the UK. Fact undeniable.

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:22 - Dec 7 with 289 viewsraynor94

Is Europe turning ? on 16:43 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

No maybe about it.
It is true.

Cymru has never voted to be part of the UK.


Ah, it's Cymru again 😂

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Is Europe turning ? on 17:38 - Dec 7 with 270 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Is Europe turning ? on 17:22 - Dec 7 by raynor94

Ah, it's Cymru again 😂


Yes he can't make up his mind. I do agree with him that Wales has never voted to leave the sovereign nation of the United Kingdom.

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Is Europe turning ? on 18:17 - Dec 7 with 249 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 17:22 - Dec 7 by raynor94

Ah, it's Cymru again 😂


I know this will be hard for you to understand …. but the same place can has 2 names in different languages.
Mind blowing i know …..

For the next lesson, i will talk you through the fact that not all the world speaks English, and yet they still manage. Amazing i know.

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Is Europe turning ? on 18:20 - Dec 7 with 244 viewsKilkennyjack

Is Europe turning ? on 17:38 - Dec 7 by felixstowe_jack

Yes he can't make up his mind. I do agree with him that Wales has never voted to leave the sovereign nation of the United Kingdom.


Never been on the ballot, one day though.

Do you think 51% is enough like Brexit, or do we need a 10% super majority ?
Basing this on the backtracking now on with the GFA.

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Is Europe turning ? on 18:52 - Dec 7 with 222 viewsraynor94

Is Europe turning ? on 18:17 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack

I know this will be hard for you to understand …. but the same place can has 2 names in different languages.
Mind blowing i know …..

For the next lesson, i will talk you through the fact that not all the world speaks English, and yet they still manage. Amazing i know.


Not hard for me to understand at all, you told us all it was Cymru, and then you go and have a lapse(again).

Fair play you are the gift that keeps on giving, I missed you when you disappeared, were you banned?

You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
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