| Is this on Nourry? 19:29 - Oct 19 with 26846 views | Hunterhoop |
I’ll bring it to the fore… |  | | |  |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:36 - Oct 22 with 2001 views | FDC |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:08 - Oct 22 by Northernr |
I reckon there's a fair chance he'll be the next fall guy.
I also reckon there's a fair chance it'll make no difference. |
I could easily imagine an announcement about a new AI-enabled Scoutatronic 3000 system being rolled out as a replacement |  | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:40 - Oct 22 with 1962 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:21 - Oct 22 by Hunterhoop |
Quite. He’s been with the club around a decade and had been in the industry for a decade before.
He’s probably one of the few in the club who do have the experience required to do his job.
That doesn’t mean he has done a good one. As many have said, it is very hard to tell. Nevetherless, at some point there does need to be accountability. Whether it’s you 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 10th choice recommendation, you need to have some hits. He certainly needs some more hits versus the misses he’s had. |
I'm inclined to agree though I would temper this by pointing out that there's been a good deal of manager churn in that time, with each wanting their own players. Moreover, it isn't Belk's fault that QPR didn't cash in on certain players when they had the chance. Had they commanded decent fees for the likes of Manning, BOS, Barbet, Willock, Chair, etc. then recruitment would be less of a prickly topic. That being said, it does feel like overall there have been many more misses than hits, with this summer's recruitment looking especially poor. At some point, those directly responsible have to be held accountable. [Post edited 22 Oct 18:48]
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| Is this on Nourry? on 18:55 - Oct 22 with 1897 views | rbee |
| Is this on Nourry? on 17:51 - Oct 22 by Benny_the_Ball |
Please don't make the mistake of creating 2 distinct eras of ownership. QPR is owned by a consortium. Ruben has been a major shareholder in that consortium since 2011. He joined together with Fernandes, and was named co-chairman in June 2015.
Given the consortium ownership model, I agree that any criticism should be levelled at all of the co-owners. For example, your assumption that Ruben's fellow directors reached an agreement on the appointment of Nourry is fair but it doesn't detract from the fact that it's a poor decision.
However, you can't have it both ways. This same assumption applies when Fernandes was chairman. As a major shareholder, Ruben would've had a say and, following your logic, you have to also assume that he was in agreement with the decisions made.
Now, I prefer to look forward than back so let's return to the present day. Ruben is now the majority shareholder in a consortium with Richard Reilly and Lakshmi Mittal. Hence, I found your question around what LFW comrades think Ruben should do intriguing. My answer remains the same; hire folk with experience and a track record of success. |
Your memory is better than mine, I thought Ruben came in later, I apologise.
I had the pleasure of having a lengthy chat some years ago with Dave Mc who explained to me that it had been Fernandes instigating the crazy signings back then and not Hughes. Apparently, Fernandes reign in the early days was pretty dictatorial. This is one the reasons why I think it's unfair to lump Ruben in with Fernandes mistakes, the reckless spending and breaking the Financial Fair Play Rules. Even ousting Ollie for McLaren. Judge him from the moment he took over.
However, as you quite rightly say, I cannot have it both ways! I sincerely hope that Fernandes isn't lurking somewhere in the background suggesting Christian Nourry. Not sure if Mitttal plays any part these days, such a shame that some of our wonderful fans drove him away.
As I said I agree with you regarding hiring good football experienced people to run the club but I still think that these are people are hard to find, standing right next to Doctors and Vets in the unemployed queue. We had to poach Hoos from Burnley.
I am still willing to give Nourry a chance, one good window, one bad, wake up call. Would feel sorry for Marti if he was sacked given the players he has been given to work with and the players missing through injury. Hoping to see JCS on the team sheet in five minutes time. |  | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:57 - Oct 22 with 1877 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this on Nourry? on 14:01 - Oct 22 by TheChef |
Belkin needs to go too.
#sackeveryone |
Little wonder the club's recruitment has been poor. He's been busy producing consumer electronics. Focus, Andy! | | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 19:02 - Oct 22 with 1848 views | FDC |
Edit wrong thread [Post edited 22 Oct 19:03]
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| Is this on Nourry? on 19:08 - Oct 22 with 1809 views | rbee |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:21 - Oct 22 by Hunterhoop |
Quite. He’s been with the club around a decade and had been in the industry for a decade before.
He’s probably one of the few in the club who do have the experience required to do his job.
That doesn’t mean he has done a good one. As many have said, it is very hard to tell. Nevetherless, at some point there does need to be accountability. Whether it’s you 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 10th choice recommendation, you need to have some hits. He certainly needs some more hits versus the misses he’s had. |
It interesting to look through our season by season Wiki pages and Belks has had plenty of hits.
Through my work I participate in lots of auctions and in a typical auction some items will sell for below your minimum expected price and others will sell way above your expected price, things even themselves out. I view player recruitment the same, you will have both hits and misses especially as so much work now is done on a computer rather than old fashioned scouting. Sometimes a player will thrive at one club and fail at another, it's the nature of the beast. | | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 19:09 - Oct 22 with 1795 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:55 - Oct 22 by rbee |
Your memory is better than mine, I thought Ruben came in later, I apologise.
I had the pleasure of having a lengthy chat some years ago with Dave Mc who explained to me that it had been Fernandes instigating the crazy signings back then and not Hughes. Apparently, Fernandes reign in the early days was pretty dictatorial. This is one the reasons why I think it's unfair to lump Ruben in with Fernandes mistakes, the reckless spending and breaking the Financial Fair Play Rules. Even ousting Ollie for McLaren. Judge him from the moment he took over.
However, as you quite rightly say, I cannot have it both ways! I sincerely hope that Fernandes isn't lurking somewhere in the background suggesting Christian Nourry. Not sure if Mitttal plays any part these days, such a shame that some of our wonderful fans drove him away.
As I said I agree with you regarding hiring good football experienced people to run the club but I still think that these are people are hard to find, standing right next to Doctors and Vets in the unemployed queue. We had to poach Hoos from Burnley.
I am still willing to give Nourry a chance, one good window, one bad, wake up call. Would feel sorry for Marti if he was sacked given the players he has been given to work with and the players missing through injury. Hoping to see JCS on the team sheet in five minutes time. |
Think nothing of it, apology not required. The ownership model has been restructured so many times it can be difficult to keep track.
I doubt Fernandes is lurking in the shadows as he sold his shares in QPR Holdings in 2023. That's how Ruben came to be the majority shareholder he is today.
That being said, the official QPR statement was confusing so I understand the fear! | | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 22:32 - Oct 22 with 1656 views | 1JD |
| Is this on Nourry? on 15:42 - Oct 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Nice try. We have the option of downvoting posts we disagree with on here: I disagree with quite a few of yours as in my opinion they have a combination of vague ITK agenda pushing and scapegoating Nourry incessantly when it appears to most that there are numerous people responsible for where we are at the moment: CEO, management team, recruitment team and players. |
Ok, Christian. |  | | |
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| Is this on Nourry? on 22:50 - Oct 22 with 1591 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Is this on Nourry? on 22:32 - Oct 22 by 1JD |
Ok, Christian. |
I’m so hurt 😭 |  | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 19:07 - Oct 23 with 1393 views | derbyhoop |
I'm sure that the Summer recruits were group decisions. Involving Belk, Nourry and Marti + whoever else was relevant. Nourry's role would have been contracts, with finance under P&S a major limiting factor. Its why we couldn't afford Hayden.
As somebody else said, some will fail, some will be average and, you hope, 1 or more will turn out to be the next Eze.
The signings themselves were, fundamentally, young with massive upside potential. If, in 2 years time, one is sold for 10m+, we'll be delighted. Now, it's clearly not working as well as we hoped. I still think the lack of JCS, Colback and Chair have been hugely disruptive. Especially when you are trying to integrate players with no Championship experience. |  |
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| Is this on Nourry? on 20:56 - Oct 23 with 1280 views | qprd |
| Is this on Nourry? on 19:07 - Oct 23 by derbyhoop |
I'm sure that the Summer recruits were group decisions. Involving Belk, Nourry and Marti + whoever else was relevant. Nourry's role would have been contracts, with finance under P&S a major limiting factor. Its why we couldn't afford Hayden.
As somebody else said, some will fail, some will be average and, you hope, 1 or more will turn out to be the next Eze.
The signings themselves were, fundamentally, young with massive upside potential. If, in 2 years time, one is sold for 10m+, we'll be delighted. Now, it's clearly not working as well as we hoped. I still think the lack of JCS, Colback and Chair have been hugely disruptive. Especially when you are trying to integrate players with no Championship experience. |
nourry is a huckster
the writing was on the wall last year when two of the dumber theories made their way into the qpr ether. one, pushed by a quote from nourry, was that we freed up money in january to sign the likes of hayden, anderson etc by loaning out players (ie, net, it was sustainable). putting aside the fact that theres no way that dozzells, kelman etcs fees would net out haydens, but the guy actually cited loaning out deon woodman (honestly dont know who this is) as a move that freed up cash. im sure the 17 quid/week, meal deal that and 92 nectar points that he was on made a material difference. peddling statements like that was a huge red flag and frankly took the fans to be stupid/while exaggerating his own business savvy
the second was the theory, floated about, that somehow qpr got hayden on a sweetheart cheap deal. im not in the know here, but come on- does anyone actually believe this? the market dictates the price and football is not sentimental in any respect. if we offered x and someone else offered 1.2x, where do you think newcastle is sending him? lord knows how this theory seemed to get into the qpr ether (im not suggesting mick beale like burner accounts from nourry), but this was also nonsense which bolstered nourrys aura as a savvy dealmaker
the stuff abt contract lengths has been discussed ad nauseum too | | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 21:08 - Oct 23 with 1243 views | digswellhoop |
so bring back les😇🤪 | | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 21:21 - Oct 23 with 1225 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Is this on Nourry? on 20:56 - Oct 23 by qprd |
nourry is a huckster
the writing was on the wall last year when two of the dumber theories made their way into the qpr ether. one, pushed by a quote from nourry, was that we freed up money in january to sign the likes of hayden, anderson etc by loaning out players (ie, net, it was sustainable). putting aside the fact that theres no way that dozzells, kelman etcs fees would net out haydens, but the guy actually cited loaning out deon woodman (honestly dont know who this is) as a move that freed up cash. im sure the 17 quid/week, meal deal that and 92 nectar points that he was on made a material difference. peddling statements like that was a huge red flag and frankly took the fans to be stupid/while exaggerating his own business savvy
the second was the theory, floated about, that somehow qpr got hayden on a sweetheart cheap deal. im not in the know here, but come on- does anyone actually believe this? the market dictates the price and football is not sentimental in any respect. if we offered x and someone else offered 1.2x, where do you think newcastle is sending him? lord knows how this theory seemed to get into the qpr ether (im not suggesting mick beale like burner accounts from nourry), but this was also nonsense which bolstered nourrys aura as a savvy dealmaker
the stuff abt contract lengths has been discussed ad nauseum too |
Hiding Cifuentes from the fans is the massive red flag for me. |  |
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| Is this on Nourry? on 21:39 - Oct 23 with 1187 views | daveB |
| Is this on Nourry? on 18:21 - Oct 22 by Hunterhoop |
Quite. He’s been with the club around a decade and had been in the industry for a decade before.
He’s probably one of the few in the club who do have the experience required to do his job.
That doesn’t mean he has done a good one. As many have said, it is very hard to tell. Nevetherless, at some point there does need to be accountability. Whether it’s you 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 10th choice recommendation, you need to have some hits. He certainly needs some more hits versus the misses he’s had. |
I got back to the Beale/Critchley/Ainsworth season and no one at the top should have survived that. Ferdinand, Hoos, Ramsey all had to go as did the chairman & manager and the signings made that year and in years before the head of recruitment had to go as well. Fact he's still here and we're still signing tons of shit is incredible
I agree with Clive I doubt things will magically get better if Belk goes but the lack of accountability for that role has to change |  | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 22:51 - Oct 23 with 1094 views | JamesB1979 |
Whoever decided signing a tall midfielder who can’t tackle or head the ball would be a good idea to spend 4m on in the championship needs to go. And go now. I think signings of Nardi, Morrison (briefly what we’ve seen), Varane, Saito, Dembele…..these are all ok signings. Some a lot better than others. Celar, Ashby and Madsen look terrible signings. That’s the issue. 3 terrible signings and 2 of them cost money. Forgot Santos…..he’s somewhere in between. | | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 22:52 - Oct 23 with 1096 views | colinallcars |
I often think, were we wrong all the time about Rodney, Stan, Don, Gerry, Terry, Tony, Ray, Roy and Adel - after all, we didn't see the data did we ? |  | | |
| Is this on Nourry? on 22:23 - Oct 24 with 755 views | londonscottish |
| Is this on Nourry? on 20:56 - Oct 23 by qprd |
nourry is a huckster
the writing was on the wall last year when two of the dumber theories made their way into the qpr ether. one, pushed by a quote from nourry, was that we freed up money in january to sign the likes of hayden, anderson etc by loaning out players (ie, net, it was sustainable). putting aside the fact that theres no way that dozzells, kelman etcs fees would net out haydens, but the guy actually cited loaning out deon woodman (honestly dont know who this is) as a move that freed up cash. im sure the 17 quid/week, meal deal that and 92 nectar points that he was on made a material difference. peddling statements like that was a huge red flag and frankly took the fans to be stupid/while exaggerating his own business savvy
the second was the theory, floated about, that somehow qpr got hayden on a sweetheart cheap deal. im not in the know here, but come on- does anyone actually believe this? the market dictates the price and football is not sentimental in any respect. if we offered x and someone else offered 1.2x, where do you think newcastle is sending him? lord knows how this theory seemed to get into the qpr ether (im not suggesting mick beale like burner accounts from nourry), but this was also nonsense which bolstered nourrys aura as a savvy dealmaker
the stuff abt contract lengths has been discussed ad nauseum too |
Nourry's too tech savvy to have burner accounts that could be traced back to him.
He's got virtual burners. Powered by "analytics". |  |
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| Is this on Nourry? on 00:25 - Oct 25 with 656 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Is this on Nourry? on 15:42 - Oct 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Nice try. We have the option of downvoting posts we disagree with on here: I disagree with quite a few of yours as in my opinion they have a combination of vague ITK agenda pushing and scapegoating Nourry incessantly when it appears to most that there are numerous people responsible for where we are at the moment: CEO, management team, recruitment team and players. |
Who are the 'most'
Are you keeping lists? | |
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