| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? 11:55 - Apr 23 with 7862 views | saint901 |
The UK welcomed around 37.000 immigrants last year who did not have permission to be here.
Rishi and cronies want to send around 2,000 to Rwanda - a year - as a "deterrent".
In order to do so he and his whips bullied and arguably overrode the safeguards built into our democratic system. His Gov't ignored Parliament and bulldozed this through.
At the risk of triggering the latent racists among us and in the hope of sparking a genuine debate, is this the right answer? Were the means to achieve that answer justified by the ends? What will be the next Gov't (Tory Party) v Parliament issue be? |  | | |  |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 17:03 - May 1 with 1897 views | franniesTache |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 16:50 - May 1 by saint901 |
Genuine question.
If we get a boatload of immigrants with no permission arriving from France, why can we not take them back on the next ferry and drop them back in Calais? |
Because of Brexit is the simple answer. Prior to leaving the EU we could under the agreements in place return migrants to the port of origin.
Since leaving we have to process asylum applications where they land under international law.
I think what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that in the eyes of the law there's no such thing as illegal immigration on landing. There are asylum seekers who's cases must be heard.
They only become legally deemed "illegal" if they remain in place once an application has been rejected.
I'm sure there was a stat not that long ago that the biggest single group of illegal immigration (as defined by law) in the UK was Australian citizen's who'd outstayed their visas. |  | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 18:02 - May 1 with 1856 views | cocklebreath |
Brexit the gift that keeps giving 🫠 |  |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 18:27 - May 1 with 1841 views | solent_toffee |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 17:03 - May 1 by franniesTache |
Because of Brexit is the simple answer. Prior to leaving the EU we could under the agreements in place return migrants to the port of origin.
Since leaving we have to process asylum applications where they land under international law.
I think what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that in the eyes of the law there's no such thing as illegal immigration on landing. There are asylum seekers who's cases must be heard.
They only become legally deemed "illegal" if they remain in place once an application has been rejected.
I'm sure there was a stat not that long ago that the biggest single group of illegal immigration (as defined by law) in the UK was Australian citizen's who'd outstayed their visas. |
Indeed, there is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. An asylum seeker is someone going through the legal asylum process as started in the 1952 Geneva Convention. The process for dealing with ‘failed’ asylum seekers has never been sorted since we started to have a large increase in them in the early nineties following the war in Yugoslavia. There was no process for dealing with them and at one point there was a backlog of around 100k and to save money and be ‘efficient’, the then Home Secretary Michael Howard had an amnesty and gave vast amounts leave to remain, hence we had a mass load of Albanians given status.
It staggers me that the government, the Tories and Labour, when they were in power, have been so inept when it comes to immigration policy. | | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 19:16 - May 1 with 1811 views | saintmark1976 |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 17:03 - May 1 by franniesTache |
Because of Brexit is the simple answer. Prior to leaving the EU we could under the agreements in place return migrants to the port of origin.
Since leaving we have to process asylum applications where they land under international law.
I think what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that in the eyes of the law there's no such thing as illegal immigration on landing. There are asylum seekers who's cases must be heard.
They only become legally deemed "illegal" if they remain in place once an application has been rejected.
I'm sure there was a stat not that long ago that the biggest single group of illegal immigration (as defined by law) in the UK was Australian citizen's who'd outstayed their visas. |
Thanks for the explanation franniesTache, yet another benefit of Brexit caused by David Cameron giving in to the swivel eyed loons in the Tory Party.
The same David Cameron who promised to stay as Prime Minister and negotiate for us whatever the result of the referendum only to resign the morning after the vote. A man with no honour or principles whom Rishi Sunak recently saw fit to make Foreign Secretary. | |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 20:03 - May 1 with 1782 views | saintmark1976 |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 18:27 - May 1 by solent_toffee |
Indeed, there is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. An asylum seeker is someone going through the legal asylum process as started in the 1952 Geneva Convention. The process for dealing with ‘failed’ asylum seekers has never been sorted since we started to have a large increase in them in the early nineties following the war in Yugoslavia. There was no process for dealing with them and at one point there was a backlog of around 100k and to save money and be ‘efficient’, the then Home Secretary Michael Howard had an amnesty and gave vast amounts leave to remain, hence we had a mass load of Albanians given status.
It staggers me that the government, the Tories and Labour, when they were in power, have been so inept when it comes to immigration policy. |
Neither the Tories or the Labour Party are inept Solent toffee.
They both know full well that for our economy to function properly given our long term declining birth rate, immigration is an absolute must. In particular to successfully staff the N H S and the Care Industry.
The smoke and mirrors currently being used by the Tory Party to divert attention away from the 672000 legal immigrants who they have allowed to enter the country in the year to June 2023 is to blame the “ boat people” who’s numbers are minuscule in comparison.
Blaming one group of people ( In this case boat people) for all the countries problems is a classic divide and rule tactic. Particularly appealing in my opinion in this instance, to the hard of thinking and or racist older voter.
Sadly we never learn from history. Indeed today our media is awash with headlines of human beings “ rounded up “ for deportation. Language pretty much identical to that used by the Gestapo in Germany prior to and during the period 1932 to 1945. | |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 07:28 - May 8 with 1578 views | kentsouthampton |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 21:07 - May 8 with 1506 views | kentsouthampton |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 07:30 - May 15 with 1298 views | cocklebreath |
You’d be amazed how many people will blindly vote Tory, it’s in there blood which I can never understand, I vote for who I think is less c&nt ish. | |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 22:07 - May 15 with 1247 views | saint22 |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 07:30 - May 15 by cocklebreath |
You’d be amazed how many people will blindly vote Tory, it’s in there blood which I can never understand, I vote for who I think is less c&nt ish. |
i agree its flabbergasting
I know of people, they consider themselves my friends but they aren't, some of whom voted for Brexit & are tory fools and now bitch about how bad everything is
Some people just do not get it
Ignorance is bliss i guess, just the rest of us have to suffer it | | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 00:09 - May 16 with 1214 views | MattFinish |
If anyone thinks the Tories seriously believe the Rwanda policy work then you’re mistaken
This is just a very thinly veiled attempt to win votes from the far right voters
You’re talking about people in desperate situations fleeing probably certain death or worse getting into a boat made for 10 people with 70 people on it. If a flight ever does go to Rwanda which I seriously doubt, the passengers will be back on French beaches a month later. The first people to arrive in Rwanda will be the people traffickers waiting to send them back
Just nore Tory smoke and mirrors |  | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 03:24 - May 16 with 1202 views | saint22 |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 00:09 - May 16 by MattFinish |
If anyone thinks the Tories seriously believe the Rwanda policy work then you’re mistaken
This is just a very thinly veiled attempt to win votes from the far right voters
You’re talking about people in desperate situations fleeing probably certain death or worse getting into a boat made for 10 people with 70 people on it. If a flight ever does go to Rwanda which I seriously doubt, the passengers will be back on French beaches a month later. The first people to arrive in Rwanda will be the people traffickers waiting to send them back
Just nore Tory smoke and mirrors |
As you rightly say smoke and mirrors aimed at right wing people
Do you really think middle England brexit voting blue rinse brigade give a damn about any Rwandan refugees well being? | | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 14:28 - Oct 20 with 735 views | kentsouthampton |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 14:40 - Oct 20 with 684 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 14:28 - Oct 20 by kentsouthampton |
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Arf! Ironic isn’t it that the Tories could see the first black female leader whereas the others are way off. In any event, Kemi could probably do a better job as manager of Saints than Rylan! |  |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 21:56 - Oct 20 with 592 views | saintmark1976 |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 14:28 - Oct 20 by kentsouthampton |
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Says a woman who went on holiday when she should have been canvassing members of her own party for their support in becoming their next leader. | |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 22:08 - Oct 20 with 576 views | DorsetIan |
The government could reach a deal with France/the EU to return all people arriving on small boats to France on the day of arrival.
And, of course, if that happened, the economic model for the small boats would end immediately, as would the cross-channel traffic. Problem solved.
Why doesn't it happen?
Because to reach such an agreement the UK would need to agree with the EU to take (by safer routes) a share of all the people successfully claiming asylum in the EU. And because the EU received far far more asylum seekers than does the UK, the share we would need to take would far exceed the numbers arriving by boats.
So we can stop the boats, but only by taking *more* asylum seekers safely.
And politically that it is suicide at the moment, so it won't happen. | |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 23:52 - Oct 20 with 493 views | Southamptonfan |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 14:28 - Oct 20 by kentsouthampton |
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Honestly, these politicians really are off their rocker. A 6 day week, Saturday is football day Kemi, not at extra day at work. And some already work 6 days a week. What kind of policy is that!!!
People just want a normal life. What is so difficult? Just stop the boats, save the NHS, treat pensioners who have paid in to the system for 50 years with respect, give us a dentist to visit, give us a doctor to visit, give our kids a great school to attend, stop taxing working people who have done the right thing, and give us some affordable homes and affordable public transport. If public transport was affordable, and reliable, then that would sort the environment out. Let us have a drink and a smoke if we want to, as long as it doesn't affect others and leave it at that. Most people don't care about anything else!!! I just despair at these politicians with stupid ideas. Why is it so difficult for any politicians to understand what 99% of the population want!!??? [Post edited 20 Oct 23:55]
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 23:59 - Oct 20 with 489 views | saintpaz |
haha goodbye Kemi, never looked the part anyhow |  | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 02:00 - Oct 21 with 480 views | A_Saint_in_Stoke |
Surely you must have recognised by now that ALL MAJOR DECISIONS are NOT made by our elected MP's -- But by left wing civil servants , who despise the UK values and our old age citizens.
The TV sitcom " Yes Minister" was very true with regard to this Labour government ! | |
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| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 07:02 - Oct 21 with 425 views | Wints76 |
I feel dirty, and compare this to standing on the Fratton End, but have to point out that the Badenoch quote is from a parody Twitter account. The fact everyone believes it says what we know they are capable of
Off to sing The Red Flag, whilst memorising the little red book to cleanse myself for sticking up for them |  | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 08:20 - Oct 21 with 361 views | SalisburySaint |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 02:00 - Oct 21 by A_Saint_in_Stoke |
Surely you must have recognised by now that ALL MAJOR DECISIONS are NOT made by our elected MP's -- But by left wing civil servants , who despise the UK values and our old age citizens.
The TV sitcom " Yes Minister" was very true with regard to this Labour government ! |
Left wing civil servants
Watching different version of yes minister to me  |  | | |
| Desperate Tories - or tactical masterstroke? on 15:15 - Oct 24 with 203 views | saint901 |
I used to be a a civil servant. I work with civil servants nearly every day.
I can't say that I've encountered any more who are decidedly left or right than in any other group of people.
I know that Liz Truss thought that pretty much everybody in the civil service was part of the "deep state" with an agenda which frustrated her obvious genius economic plan (which anybody with a mortgage continues to pay for) but hand's up anybody who thinks Truss was sane enough to be trusted in power? | | | |
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