| Club announcement pending 20:58 - Jul 20 with 42846 views | KeithHaynes |
Sorry we can’t bring any more than this at the moment, but it’s only fair we place on record we are told the club are about to make an announcement. It would be wrong to speculate any further at this time.
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| Club announcement pending on 11:54 - Jul 23 with 1405 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 11:48 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
I’m struggling to believe I’m having my sentence structure criticised by the guy who has been banned more times than I can recall and hacked into a fellow posters account to belittle him.
I’m sure Cooper doesn’t give a toss how I phrase my opinions on here, I’ve no idea why you do.
Your third paragraph isn’t even worth bothering with. Coopers mum? Weird.
Do you think every prospective manager sits down with the CEO straight away? |
I don’t think I have ever been banned for my sentence structure, have I?
I seem to remember being banned for criticising the Trust and their process. But never did I fraudulently disguise it and laid it on the line as what it was.
But I do like the fact you are now getting sufficiently annoyed at the fact I have just ripped apart your anti Cooper contradiction that you have decided to get personal.
You won’t bother with it because it shows how ridiculous you have just contorted something to try and keep both your ridiculous notions alive, all be it on your own version of life support.
Yes, every single manager shortlisted and approached will be spoken to by the chairman, owner and/or CEO without any shadow of a doubt. Probably all three. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 12:15 - Jul 23 with 1352 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 11:54 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t think I have ever been banned for my sentence structure, have I?
I seem to remember being banned for criticising the Trust and their process. But never did I fraudulently disguise it and laid it on the line as what it was.
But I do like the fact you are now getting sufficiently annoyed at the fact I have just ripped apart your anti Cooper contradiction that you have decided to get personal.
You won’t bother with it because it shows how ridiculous you have just contorted something to try and keep both your ridiculous notions alive, all be it on your own version of life support.
Yes, every single manager shortlisted and approached will be spoken to by the chairman, owner and/or CEO without any shadow of a doubt. Probably all three. |
Weirdly enough, nor have I. And I never will. In fact I’ve never been banned at all. With that in mind, I’ll keep posting in exactly the way I see fit. If you don’t like that, report me for slander.
I’ve got nothing against Cooper as I’ve already told you. I have been far more complimentary towards him than most on here. I do think he was touting himself out this summer and I’m not going to retract that because it upsets you.
I thought you’d appreciate me being factual. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 12:27 - Jul 23 with 1326 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Also without wanting to make things to awkward, you also said you think Cooper had a full interview with Fulham along with Silva.
Your stance seems to change depending on what statement you are trying to defend. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:07 - Jul 23 with 1244 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 12:27 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Also without wanting to make things to awkward, you also said you think Cooper had a full interview with Fulham along with Silva.
Your stance seems to change depending on what statement you are trying to defend. |
It will change as events unfold. I don’t know how far he got with Fulham, neither do you. Fulham have said Silva was their number one choice and the only candidate to meet Khan.
Either they are lying, or based on your understanding, a Championship club the size of Fulham only spoke to one candidate. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:08 - Jul 23 with 1239 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 13:02 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
I’m not against Cooper. I’m ambivalent towards him now he’s gone. I’m not a fan of the way he conducted himself in the summer.
The reason I brought it up is that if I’d been banned several times and hacked an account for the sole purpose of belittling someone, I’d have a bit more humility than to criticise sentence structure. If you think expressing an opinion without an ‘I think…’ is worse than that, it’s your prerogative.
I can’t see the full comment there, but I imagine it would be a reply to something like ‘why do you think the club want him out?’ Granted, I shouldn’t have used ‘the fact’ there but I stand by the sentiment. |
Again you have previously said you are “not as against him as others”, that clearly suggests you are. If you are now claiming you aren’t and what you said previously wasn’t true then fair enough, but again I’m not sure why you keep shifting your stance.
You think adding a swan to an avatar is belittling someone? You are certainly displaying your sensitivity again which is why you tend to get yourself embroiled in these discussions. It’s become the bizarre fall back of the desperate of late, one of the oddest things to be discussed in recent memory on here but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose.
As for humility, you don’t believe I should call out someone misrepresenting situations fraudulently because I got banned by the Trust chairman for criticising the Trust? That’s some bizarre logic you have.
That was the full comment. Word for word. You shouldn’t have used much of that sentence, because it’s incredibly likely it’s false.
Hence we arrive at this discussion. Some ownership of that kind of language earlier wouldn’t have gone amiss. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:22 - Jul 23 with 1194 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 13:08 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Again you have previously said you are “not as against him as others”, that clearly suggests you are. If you are now claiming you aren’t and what you said previously wasn’t true then fair enough, but again I’m not sure why you keep shifting your stance.
You think adding a swan to an avatar is belittling someone? You are certainly displaying your sensitivity again which is why you tend to get yourself embroiled in these discussions. It’s become the bizarre fall back of the desperate of late, one of the oddest things to be discussed in recent memory on here but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose.
As for humility, you don’t believe I should call out someone misrepresenting situations fraudulently because I got banned by the Trust chairman for criticising the Trust? That’s some bizarre logic you have.
That was the full comment. Word for word. You shouldn’t have used much of that sentence, because it’s incredibly likely it’s false.
Hence we arrive at this discussion. Some ownership of that kind of language earlier wouldn’t have gone amiss. |
It’s a manner of speech. Not being against him doesn’t mean I was completely in favour of him. I didn’t like the way we played under him, I didn’t like the way he’d deflect blame onto players in press conferences. I was against those aspects of him certainly. Some people couldn’t give him any credit at all, I wasn’t as against him as them. It’s equally accurate to say I wasn’t as in favour of him as you appeared to be.
It’s not the changing his avatar though is it? It’s the fact he knows you outsmarted him, you got into his account, had access to his private messages. It’s insidious and creepy. It is what it is, I just wouldn’t be criticising sentence structure if I’d done stuff like that. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:30 - Jul 23 with 1169 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 13:22 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
It’s a manner of speech. Not being against him doesn’t mean I was completely in favour of him. I didn’t like the way we played under him, I didn’t like the way he’d deflect blame onto players in press conferences. I was against those aspects of him certainly. Some people couldn’t give him any credit at all, I wasn’t as against him as them. It’s equally accurate to say I wasn’t as in favour of him as you appeared to be.
It’s not the changing his avatar though is it? It’s the fact he knows you outsmarted him, you got into his account, had access to his private messages. It’s insidious and creepy. It is what it is, I just wouldn’t be criticising sentence structure if I’d done stuff like that. |
It is not a manner of speech. If someone was slagging your wife off, when discussing the situation you wouldn’t say “I’m not as against her as other people are”. It’s just not language anyone would use for someone they have nothing against. It’s probably best to start typing what you mean, because currently it seems like a lot of what you say you are then having to walk back.
Yes, it is the changing of the avatar, simply that... ten (yes ten) years ago. If you are upset by it then you really need to have a long hard look at things. I couldn’t imagine still harbouring such a thing a decade later. But as I said, desperate times call for desperate measures and you aren’t the first to try.
Thankfully I couldn’t care less about nonsense like that and it will never stop me calling out someone intentionally framing things fraudulently to represent scenarios as fact that are extremely unlikely to be true.
That’s just the way it is and the way it will remain. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 13:31]
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| Club announcement pending on 13:43 - Jul 23 with 1146 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 13:30 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
It is not a manner of speech. If someone was slagging your wife off, when discussing the situation you wouldn’t say “I’m not as against her as other people are”. It’s just not language anyone would use for someone they have nothing against. It’s probably best to start typing what you mean, because currently it seems like a lot of what you say you are then having to walk back.
Yes, it is the changing of the avatar, simply that... ten (yes ten) years ago. If you are upset by it then you really need to have a long hard look at things. I couldn’t imagine still harbouring such a thing a decade later. But as I said, desperate times call for desperate measures and you aren’t the first to try.
Thankfully I couldn’t care less about nonsense like that and it will never stop me calling out someone intentionally framing things fraudulently to represent scenarios as fact that are extremely unlikely to be true.
That’s just the way it is and the way it will remain. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 13:31]
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He’s not your wife though is he? He’s a football manager and this is a football forum.
Some people are (were) completely pro-Cooper, some were completely anti Cooper. I wasn’t as anti-Cooper as some and I wasn’t as pro-Cooper as others.
I’m not upset by it and I only recently read about it. Doesn’t matter when it was, it’s not harmless horseplay, it’s insidious and demeaning. I wouldn’t treat anyone like that and I don’t have a lot of respect for people who do. Therefore, criticise my sentence structure all you like, I’m not going to change it for you. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:48 - Jul 23 with 1128 views | onehunglow |
| Club announcement pending on 13:30 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
It is not a manner of speech. If someone was slagging your wife off, when discussing the situation you wouldn’t say “I’m not as against her as other people are”. It’s just not language anyone would use for someone they have nothing against. It’s probably best to start typing what you mean, because currently it seems like a lot of what you say you are then having to walk back.
Yes, it is the changing of the avatar, simply that... ten (yes ten) years ago. If you are upset by it then you really need to have a long hard look at things. I couldn’t imagine still harbouring such a thing a decade later. But as I said, desperate times call for desperate measures and you aren’t the first to try.
Thankfully I couldn’t care less about nonsense like that and it will never stop me calling out someone intentionally framing things fraudulently to represent scenarios as fact that are extremely unlikely to be true.
That’s just the way it is and the way it will remain. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 13:31]
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You see,I shoot from the hip and will carry on doing so.
You as as far up your rearend as me and that is saying summat but even I can rein it in when needed.You can't.
How in the name of Jesus and the cross of Calvary can you introduce slagging off your wife into a thread on a new football manager for our club.
You are no smarter than me,trust me and 247 is pretty much sound even though we have a goo at each other.Sometimes,one has to admit one is wrong or has misjudged .
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| Club announcement pending on 13:49 - Jul 23 with 1129 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 13:43 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
He’s not your wife though is he? He’s a football manager and this is a football forum.
Some people are (were) completely pro-Cooper, some were completely anti Cooper. I wasn’t as anti-Cooper as some and I wasn’t as pro-Cooper as others.
I’m not upset by it and I only recently read about it. Doesn’t matter when it was, it’s not harmless horseplay, it’s insidious and demeaning. I wouldn’t treat anyone like that and I don’t have a lot of respect for people who do. Therefore, criticise my sentence structure all you like, I’m not going to change it for you. |
It doesn’t matter what he is, the principle is the same. If you are not against someone who is under attack, you don’t say “I’m not as against him as others”. You are squirming.
You have no idea what it was, you are again making things up to suit how you wish to present something. Be careful not to leave your phone near me, I’d love to change your background to Steve Coopers face and see your absolute meltdown. I will find it as funny now as I did back then, sorry if that offends you.
I find it very hard to have respect for someone who intentionally misleads with his language constantly and accuses people of actions they likely didn’t take. It’s insidious and damaging and you have done it repeatedly.
Feel free to continue to do so, I’ve not told you to stop have I? I am just making you aware that I will always call it out.
Something you will just have to deal with I guess right? | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:55 - Jul 23 with 1120 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 13:48 - Jul 23 by onehunglow |
You see,I shoot from the hip and will carry on doing so.
You as as far up your rearend as me and that is saying summat but even I can rein it in when needed.You can't.
How in the name of Jesus and the cross of Calvary can you introduce slagging off your wife into a thread on a new football manager for our club.
You are no smarter than me,trust me and 247 is pretty much sound even though we have a goo at each other.Sometimes,one has to admit one is wrong or has misjudged .
And that's fine. |
Ok, so among that your question seems to be how I brought a scenario of a wife into a discussion about a manager.
Well, that’s easy.
247 was claiming he has nothing against Cooper. I pointed out that he used very specific language a few weeks ago and said “I’m not as against him as others are”... suggesting he is against him, just not as much as others.
Of course he said that to defend the obvious point that he is intentionally framing things in the negative when it comes to the manager, so it’s a very important point to make as the defence that appears to be there as a result of that claim, simply isn’t.
In order to hammer that point home you take something away from football and make people see that this sort of logic doesn’t work in real life.
I haven’t claimed to be smarter than anyone, not sure where that came from? No idea what your intellect is like or anyone else’s for that matter; nor is it my interest. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 13:58]
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| Club announcement pending on 14:02 - Jul 23 with 1103 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Club announcement pending on 13:43 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
He’s not your wife though is he? He’s a football manager and this is a football forum.
Some people are (were) completely pro-Cooper, some were completely anti Cooper. I wasn’t as anti-Cooper as some and I wasn’t as pro-Cooper as others.
I’m not upset by it and I only recently read about it. Doesn’t matter when it was, it’s not harmless horseplay, it’s insidious and demeaning. I wouldn’t treat anyone like that and I don’t have a lot of respect for people who do. Therefore, criticise my sentence structure all you like, I’m not going to change it for you. |
I did not enjoy Cooperball but was conscious the Cooper was a rookie coach. Jamal Lowe is a rookie central striker.
Just like Jamal Cooper had to improve his own game. He will not have enjoyed his football as being described as 'dull and turgid'. He will be aware that by using 'Cooperball' the Play off final was effectively done and dusted well before Fulton's 60 min white flag tackle.
Cooper's best way of upgrading his coaching game was to upgrade his backroom staff. This would be by importing a ex player or existing player well verse in the Swansea way like Routledge for example or an experience technician expert in possession based attacking football.
The club has planned for a £15m reduction in budget by stocking up on young pros in the 19-22 age group. Players like Benda, Brandon Cooper and Whittaker. Cooper openly told us loans were not a long term solution and in house was best.
When presented with this reality in the third year of his contract he chose to walk away rather that full fill the strategy. Joseph and Piroe are not Jonathan Keaveney or Andrew Mumford. He is supposed to be a coach who specialises in developing young players.
He walked claiming he did not like the direction the club is going in. This is disingenuous. He knew the direction of travel when he signed up years ago. He joined the party and the free bar and left when the tab was closed. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:08 - Jul 23 with 1097 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 14:02 - Jul 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I did not enjoy Cooperball but was conscious the Cooper was a rookie coach. Jamal Lowe is a rookie central striker.
Just like Jamal Cooper had to improve his own game. He will not have enjoyed his football as being described as 'dull and turgid'. He will be aware that by using 'Cooperball' the Play off final was effectively done and dusted well before Fulton's 60 min white flag tackle.
Cooper's best way of upgrading his coaching game was to upgrade his backroom staff. This would be by importing a ex player or existing player well verse in the Swansea way like Routledge for example or an experience technician expert in possession based attacking football.
The club has planned for a £15m reduction in budget by stocking up on young pros in the 19-22 age group. Players like Benda, Brandon Cooper and Whittaker. Cooper openly told us loans were not a long term solution and in house was best.
When presented with this reality in the third year of his contract he chose to walk away rather that full fill the strategy. Joseph and Piroe are not Jonathan Keaveney or Andrew Mumford. He is supposed to be a coach who specialises in developing young players.
He walked claiming he did not like the direction the club is going in. This is disingenuous. He knew the direction of travel when he signed up years ago. He joined the party and the free bar and left when the tab was closed. |
Did he know that when the club was crying out for a certain position in a vital period of the season, he would get some off season loans from America in return?
I highly doubt it.
That for me was a hark back to the Bradley decision where potential commercial opportunities were put before logical sound decision making. That’s the first time I had witnessed that kind of direction under the Cooper era and he clearly didn’t like it.
A lot of the animosity stems from that of which I have no doubt. The last few weeks with the handling of the Palace and Fulham scenarios seems to have been the final straw. I have lost a lot of confidence in Winter so let’s hope he gets the next steps right. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:10 - Jul 23 with 1093 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 13:49 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
It doesn’t matter what he is, the principle is the same. If you are not against someone who is under attack, you don’t say “I’m not as against him as others”. You are squirming.
You have no idea what it was, you are again making things up to suit how you wish to present something. Be careful not to leave your phone near me, I’d love to change your background to Steve Coopers face and see your absolute meltdown. I will find it as funny now as I did back then, sorry if that offends you.
I find it very hard to have respect for someone who intentionally misleads with his language constantly and accuses people of actions they likely didn’t take. It’s insidious and damaging and you have done it repeatedly.
Feel free to continue to do so, I’ve not told you to stop have I? I am just making you aware that I will always call it out.
Something you will just have to deal with I guess right? |
It doesn’t offend me, it does highlight the kind of person you are. Seeing as you love your analogies so much, it’s like breaking into a home and not stealing anything.
I’m not squirming at all, I’ve always made my position on Cooper clear and yes it has fluctuated in line with performances. I was more in favour of him in December than I was in March for example. I’ve always disliked aspects of how he has gone about his job, results were the overriding factor though, which was why I always maintained the position it wouldn’t be a disaster if he left (not now because I do think it is a disaster at the moment) but my preference would be for him to stay.
It’s not as if I try to curry favour on here. ‘I’m not as against him as some…’ isn’t a subtle dig at him, it’s a genuine reflection. As I said, I wasn’t as in favour of him as some either. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 14:21 - Jul 23 with 1078 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 14:10 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
It doesn’t offend me, it does highlight the kind of person you are. Seeing as you love your analogies so much, it’s like breaking into a home and not stealing anything.
I’m not squirming at all, I’ve always made my position on Cooper clear and yes it has fluctuated in line with performances. I was more in favour of him in December than I was in March for example. I’ve always disliked aspects of how he has gone about his job, results were the overriding factor though, which was why I always maintained the position it wouldn’t be a disaster if he left (not now because I do think it is a disaster at the moment) but my preference would be for him to stay.
It’s not as if I try to curry favour on here. ‘I’m not as against him as some…’ isn’t a subtle dig at him, it’s a genuine reflection. As I said, I wasn’t as in favour of him as some either. |
No, it’s not like that at all, you are being incredibly silly, as I’m sure you are well aware. You have made some ridiculous posts on this thread and taken some bizarre about turns, this is probably up there with your Cooper being denied by a round of interviews conducted by Fulham’s HR department. You continue to do yourself no favours.
It’s not about opinions on performances, you literally said 2 weeks ago “I’m not as against him a others are”, a ball hasn’t been kicked in anger since then and now you have “nothing” against him. You do not appear to be genuine at all, which is such a shame. You are likely to be one of the ones who claims impartiality so your constant swipes at him appear to be somewhat rational. It’s old hat.
You used that as defence of you making your wild assumptions coming from a genuine place. But what you have said and how you have twisted every scenario suggests that isn’t the case at all. I don’t for one second believe you genuinely believe your Fulham interview process you appeared to make up off the cuff today to protect your swipe at him. You aren’t stupid and that is one of the most laughable things I’ve read for a while.
I would have had far more respect for the genuine nature of your posts if at that point you dropped the nonsense that he was hawking himself about to them whilst also trying to claim that Silva was the only manager they spoke to. It really can’t be both. A view from a genuine place would have recognised that and acknowledged that what you claimed may well not be true after all. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 14:25]
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| Club announcement pending on 14:22 - Jul 23 with 1076 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 14:02 - Jul 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I did not enjoy Cooperball but was conscious the Cooper was a rookie coach. Jamal Lowe is a rookie central striker.
Just like Jamal Cooper had to improve his own game. He will not have enjoyed his football as being described as 'dull and turgid'. He will be aware that by using 'Cooperball' the Play off final was effectively done and dusted well before Fulton's 60 min white flag tackle.
Cooper's best way of upgrading his coaching game was to upgrade his backroom staff. This would be by importing a ex player or existing player well verse in the Swansea way like Routledge for example or an experience technician expert in possession based attacking football.
The club has planned for a £15m reduction in budget by stocking up on young pros in the 19-22 age group. Players like Benda, Brandon Cooper and Whittaker. Cooper openly told us loans were not a long term solution and in house was best.
When presented with this reality in the third year of his contract he chose to walk away rather that full fill the strategy. Joseph and Piroe are not Jonathan Keaveney or Andrew Mumford. He is supposed to be a coach who specialises in developing young players.
He walked claiming he did not like the direction the club is going in. This is disingenuous. He knew the direction of travel when he signed up years ago. He joined the party and the free bar and left when the tab was closed. |
YOu seem well informed as to why Steve Cooper walkd away
Yet again you are here discrediting Cooper hoping to provoke discussion to tke the focus away from the real problem...why did the relationship between the Manager and the club break down?
Cooper would have been aware form the onset the task ahead
read the interview below with Andy Scott
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/andy-scott-interview-
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""Trevor had hired Steve and there was a clear understanding that we wanted to go back to player development, use players coming through the academy and reduce the wage bill because it was unsustainable."
We have signed what are deemed to be talented players in Whittaker so many were calling for him to play last year.....Piroes,JosephWalsh yes we may lose Grimes but otherwisr the squad is not exactly decimated and being filled with rookie youngster is it?
Guehi has gone yes but that was always expected but there is Brandon Cooper in the wings who is highly regarded and Geuhi was slated and like Bambi on ice in his first few games.
There is more to this than your theory ...or the line you have been given to peddle by your paymasters in order to take the focus away from their incompetence.
Why did the club feel it necessary to pay Cooper off? if he was walking away then they could have waited for his resignation ...or in fact could have sacked him had they wanted him gone straght after the final I think he would still have been inside the 2 year ruling then.
Keep going because the more of this you post the more you expose yourself as the clubs puppet....like the thread you started about parachute payments all to take the focus of how the club has landed us in the position where with 15 days to go we do not have a manager or coaching team in place and how they allowed a disinterestd uncommited person to lead preseason and be involved with player dealings!!!! | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:24 - Jul 23 with 1072 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:08 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Did he know that when the club was crying out for a certain position in a vital period of the season, he would get some off season loans from America in return?
I highly doubt it.
That for me was a hark back to the Bradley decision where potential commercial opportunities were put before logical sound decision making. That’s the first time I had witnessed that kind of direction under the Cooper era and he clearly didn’t like it.
A lot of the animosity stems from that of which I have no doubt. The last few weeks with the handling of the Palace and Fulham scenarios seems to have been the final straw. I have lost a lot of confidence in Winter so let’s hope he gets the next steps right. |
Cooper had Goykeres in place and did not use him much. Obafemi was also lined up but got crocked around 5 January. They had to find a striker Cooper liked and would play on loan within 3 weeks. Cooper let Goykeres go. I am sure they did what the could and came up with Morris who was getting up to speed when it got crocked.
The club did not let Cooper down. Cooper wanted a big number 9 and had one in Goykeres who like Peterson was not given game time. At 21 Goykeres needed time to settle.
Cooper wanted the next Brewster. The whole league wanted the next Brewster. Highly touted Troy Parrot went to Millwall and bombed. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:30 - Jul 23 with 1057 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 14:24 - Jul 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper had Goykeres in place and did not use him much. Obafemi was also lined up but got crocked around 5 January. They had to find a striker Cooper liked and would play on loan within 3 weeks. Cooper let Goykeres go. I am sure they did what the could and came up with Morris who was getting up to speed when it got crocked.
The club did not let Cooper down. Cooper wanted a big number 9 and had one in Goykeres who like Peterson was not given game time. At 21 Goykeres needed time to settle.
Cooper wanted the next Brewster. The whole league wanted the next Brewster. Highly touted Troy Parrot went to Millwall and bombed. |
He didn’t use him much because he sadly wasn’t very good. He went to Coventry after us who also didn’t play him very much. 7 starts.
Signing two players which were more wide attackers (Arriola more a right back that “can” play there) was never likely to be a good idea. Especially with one of them barely kicking a ball after a serious injury.
They had time to prepare for the recruitment in that position, I’m sure they didn’t only start to look the second the window opened and if they did that’s another reason for concern.
I think the club did let Cooper down, managers need backing both pre season and in January. When it was clear the loan of Gyokeres wasn’t good enough, the club had a duty to provide another in such a vital part of the season.
I think they made a commercial decision rather than a sensible one. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:33 - Jul 23 with 1051 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 14:22 - Jul 23 by vetchonian |
YOu seem well informed as to why Steve Cooper walkd away
Yet again you are here discrediting Cooper hoping to provoke discussion to tke the focus away from the real problem...why did the relationship between the Manager and the club break down?
Cooper would have been aware form the onset the task ahead
read the interview below with Andy Scott
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/andy-scott-interview-
let me quote
""Trevor had hired Steve and there was a clear understanding that we wanted to go back to player development, use players coming through the academy and reduce the wage bill because it was unsustainable."
We have signed what are deemed to be talented players in Whittaker so many were calling for him to play last year.....Piroes,JosephWalsh yes we may lose Grimes but otherwisr the squad is not exactly decimated and being filled with rookie youngster is it?
Guehi has gone yes but that was always expected but there is Brandon Cooper in the wings who is highly regarded and Geuhi was slated and like Bambi on ice in his first few games.
There is more to this than your theory ...or the line you have been given to peddle by your paymasters in order to take the focus away from their incompetence.
Why did the club feel it necessary to pay Cooper off? if he was walking away then they could have waited for his resignation ...or in fact could have sacked him had they wanted him gone straght after the final I think he would still have been inside the 2 year ruling then.
Keep going because the more of this you post the more you expose yourself as the clubs puppet....like the thread you started about parachute payments all to take the focus of how the club has landed us in the position where with 15 days to go we do not have a manager or coaching team in place and how they allowed a disinterestd uncommited person to lead preseason and be involved with player dealings!!!! |
Discrediting Cooper has been like a sport, so much so it really should be added to Tokyo “2021”.
Could be some real gold medal hopes here. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:34 - Jul 23 with 1043 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:21 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
No, it’s not like that at all, you are being incredibly silly, as I’m sure you are well aware. You have made some ridiculous posts on this thread and taken some bizarre about turns, this is probably up there with your Cooper being denied by a round of interviews conducted by Fulham’s HR department. You continue to do yourself no favours.
It’s not about opinions on performances, you literally said 2 weeks ago “I’m not as against him a others are”, a ball hasn’t been kicked in anger since then and now you have “nothing” against him. You do not appear to be genuine at all, which is such a shame. You are likely to be one of the ones who claims impartiality so your constant swipes at him appear to be somewhat rational. It’s old hat.
You used that as defence of you making your wild assumptions coming from a genuine place. But what you have said and how you have twisted every scenario suggests that isn’t the case at all. I don’t for one second believe you genuinely believe your Fulham interview process you appeared to make up off the cuff today to protect your swipe at him. You aren’t stupid and that is one of the most laughable things I’ve read for a while.
I would have had far more respect for the genuine nature of your posts if at that point you dropped the nonsense that he was hawking himself about to them whilst also trying to claim that Silva was the only manager they spoke to. It really can’t be both. A view from a genuine place would have recognised that and acknowledged that what you claimed may well not be true after all. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 14:25]
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It’s exactly like that, it’s just scaled down.
I don’t make constant swipes at Cooper. I’ve often lauded him for two consecutive playoff finishes. I’ve said I very much doubt his successor will achieve what he did and I’ve previously said that the season may have turned out better, aesthetically and promotion-wise without the injuries to MGW and Morris.
My opinion of him has dimmed over the summer, but I consistently maintained I wanted him to stay.
I’m not going to devote too much more time to Cooper, he’s made his decision, the club has to move on.
Have you got the full post and the one I was replying too when I said that? I do remember saying it and don’t see anything wrong with it, but I wouldn’t mind a bit of context. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 14:44 - Jul 23 with 1030 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 14:34 - Jul 23 by jack247 |
It’s exactly like that, it’s just scaled down.
I don’t make constant swipes at Cooper. I’ve often lauded him for two consecutive playoff finishes. I’ve said I very much doubt his successor will achieve what he did and I’ve previously said that the season may have turned out better, aesthetically and promotion-wise without the injuries to MGW and Morris.
My opinion of him has dimmed over the summer, but I consistently maintained I wanted him to stay.
I’m not going to devote too much more time to Cooper, he’s made his decision, the club has to move on.
Have you got the full post and the one I was replying too when I said that? I do remember saying it and don’t see anything wrong with it, but I wouldn’t mind a bit of context. |
It’s not remotely like that, let alone exactly. It’s like comparing scruffling someone’s hair to invading Iraq. But hey, whatever floats your every increasingly odd boat.
Yes, you do make constant swipes at Cooper. You have falsely said that he was hawking himself around London several times, it wasn’t a once off. That’s a direct fabrication in order to demean someone’s character, it’s insidious. You have just invented a HR round rejection of Cooper’s application to Fulham which was literally created in your head today. Just bizarre.
That was the full post, no other words were posted. It was a reply to me after I said it’s very unlikely we would want a manager who has achieved so much to leave. You replied that we “want him to leave because of the fact he was openly hawking himself around London looking for jobs”.
Pretty awful thing to make up about someone. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:54 - Jul 23 with 1013 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:44 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not remotely like that, let alone exactly. It’s like comparing scruffling someone’s hair to invading Iraq. But hey, whatever floats your every increasingly odd boat.
Yes, you do make constant swipes at Cooper. You have falsely said that he was hawking himself around London several times, it wasn’t a once off. That’s a direct fabrication in order to demean someone’s character, it’s insidious. You have just invented a HR round rejection of Cooper’s application to Fulham which was literally created in your head today. Just bizarre.
That was the full post, no other words were posted. It was a reply to me after I said it’s very unlikely we would want a manager who has achieved so much to leave. You replied that we “want him to leave because of the fact he was openly hawking himself around London looking for jobs”.
Pretty awful thing to make up about someone. |
Your first paragraph is bizarre even by your own standards. Hacking someones account and publicly letting them know you’ve had access to their password, private messages or could have posted as them is insidious and belittling. It’s comparable to breaking into their house and not stealing anything. Rubbing someones hair is not comparable to invading Iraq.
Yes I have said that several times, I believed it to be true and still do. It’s not a swipe, it’s what I think happened.
I meant can you give me the whole post and the one I was replying to when I said ‘I’m not as against Cooper as some are’. | | | |
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