| Good Luck UK 12:13 - Dec 12 with 66959 views | PlanetHonneywood |
For the Eze, not the Pugh!
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| Good Luck UK on 12:07 - Dec 14 with 2094 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 11:53 - Dec 14 by connell10 |
All very well and good but do you really think Boris gives 2 shites about the working class, if you do you are deluded! He probably thinks they are all scum! |
So did Maggy but people still voted her in.
In fact, she broke the red wall first.
Truth is, outside the cities, patriotism (some will call it racism) even from minorities /immigrants that have been here for decades is very strong.
The article above points this out. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 12:18 - Dec 14 with 2076 views | connell10 |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:25 - Dec 14 with 1982 views | flynnbo |
Sharing this from a like minded person:
So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.
Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.
So, it’s over to you, Leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.
I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.
1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada, etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.
2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72,000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.
3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.
4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the Republic now because they didn’t want to Brexit. Regardless, you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent.
5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.
6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.
That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.
And remember if you fail to deliver any of this, it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:29 - Dec 14 with 1976 views | QPR_John |
| Good Luck UK on 11:53 - Dec 14 by connell10 |
All very well and good but do you really think Boris gives 2 shites about the working class, if you do you are deluded! He probably thinks they are all scum! |
This is the problem with the left. Their views are the correct views and any deviation is not to be tolerated. Why did these working class people vote for the Tories, you are suggesting they are stupid and not intelligent enough to see the future as you see it. I am not on Twitter so can only take what I read second hand so correct me if I am wrong but Lilly Allen tweeted "I think racism and misogyny runs so deep in this country and that Boris won because of his attitude towards those things and not in spite of them". Ordinary people don't like being insulted like that. Just looking at a recording of Question Time and it is the same, this country is in a terrible state and it will only get worse. Again the view is that the stupid electorate do not recognise this and are not as clever as us. [Post edited 14 Dec 2019 14:02]
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| Good Luck UK on 14:02 - Dec 14 with 1918 views | MedwayR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:25 - Dec 14 by flynnbo |
Sharing this from a like minded person:
So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.
Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.
So, it’s over to you, Leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.
I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.
1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada, etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.
2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72,000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.
3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.
4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the Republic now because they didn’t want to Brexit. Regardless, you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent.
5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.
6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.
That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.
And remember if you fail to deliver any of this, it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so. |
“You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong”
That’s the problem you see, you haven’t tried reasoning or understanding other people’s opinions, just telling them they’re wrong. After a while people stop listening if you’re unable to make a reasonable case for your point of view, hence you get labelled a remoaner.
As for your post, you seem to be confusing people who voted leave with the government. You come across as rather irrational and unable to accept other people’s views and choices, it’s called democracy and I’d expect you to understand that by now. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 14:11 - Dec 14 with 1902 views | Sharpy36 |
| Good Luck UK on 14:02 - Dec 14 by MedwayR |
“You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong”
That’s the problem you see, you haven’t tried reasoning or understanding other people’s opinions, just telling them they’re wrong. After a while people stop listening if you’re unable to make a reasonable case for your point of view, hence you get labelled a remoaner.
As for your post, you seem to be confusing people who voted leave with the government. You come across as rather irrational and unable to accept other people’s views and choices, it’s called democracy and I’d expect you to understand that by now. |
Exactly this. well said.
Three and a half years being called all sorts of things from those who believe they know better and are wiser to the potential outcome of that democratic vote, have lead the silent majority to once again rise in great numbers to give those on the left an almighty almost fatal knock out blow. |  |
| 'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.' |
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| Good Luck UK on 14:12 - Dec 14 with 1902 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Good Luck UK on 14:02 - Dec 14 by MedwayR |
“You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong”
That’s the problem you see, you haven’t tried reasoning or understanding other people’s opinions, just telling them they’re wrong. After a while people stop listening if you’re unable to make a reasonable case for your point of view, hence you get labelled a remoaner.
As for your post, you seem to be confusing people who voted leave with the government. You come across as rather irrational and unable to accept other people’s views and choices, it’s called democracy and I’d expect you to understand that by now. |
Totally agree with that. Too many people totally unwilling to accept democracy nowadays. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:18 - Dec 14 with 1885 views | essextaxiboy |
| Good Luck UK on 13:25 - Dec 14 by flynnbo |
Sharing this from a like minded person:
So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as PM.
Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.
So, it’s over to you, Leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.
I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.
1. Get Brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada, etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the NHS or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.
2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72,000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.
3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.
4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the Republic now because they didn’t want to Brexit. Regardless, you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent.
5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.
6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.
That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all British about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.
And remember if you fail to deliver any of this, it’s on you, Brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so. |
But they dont really hope they are wrong................ do they?
But
1/ Brexit is a process, we will leave in 7 weeks completing stage 1 . Judge stage 2 when it does or doesnt happen . Conjecture now is just the death throes of project fear.
2/ 31K New Nurses , 19K retained nurses who stats tell us would have left over the period the balance to the NHS pot . The bus money is promised .
3/ Scotland morally should probably get a chance to vote . There will have been a material change in their situation . But equally they have to prove they can make a go of it first , a sensible budget without reliance on the Barnett formula , improved education and health management , a plan for defence . They should also have a chance to see how Brexit looks after a few years . Promise a vote in 3 years time , providing all is in place with a 2 year transition ...
4/ Same as Scotland
5/ The economy will not go gangbusters or collapse overnight . We only need to keep pace with the major EU countries really to not "lose out" ,but hopefully better over time.
6/ The country will come back together naturally , but it requires in the first place "losers consent" . In every one of the last 5 years the country has had a chance to vote for our direction of travel and choose this direction every time . It will be easier if everyone was on board . Digging your heels in only hurts your feet .... |  | | |
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| Good Luck UK on 14:34 - Dec 14 with 1849 views | Match82 |
| Good Luck UK on 11:53 - Dec 14 by connell10 |
All very well and good but do you really think Boris gives 2 shites about the working class, if you do you are deluded! He probably thinks they are all scum! |
Labour have historically been a party that supported the working class more so than the Conservatives. So "Boris Johnson isn't any better" actually doesn't help, the Labour leadership and party as a whole has to be significantly more appealing to the working class, their roots, to stand a chance If working class vote is split between Labour and Conservative then Labour will always lose overall. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:36 - Dec 14 with 1848 views | CaptainPugwash |
7.Arrrrrrr....an' keep Gove away fer Lofters Road.He be threatenin' ter annex moy woodburner.Wot am I serpose to do ter keep warm - rub two cabin boys togethur?
Yo Ho! |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:42 - Dec 14 with 1837 views | traininvain |
I voted remain and I accepted the result a long time ago. I think people on both sides need to be a bit more grown up.
But ultimately democracy is all about the freedom to protest and have a voice so if people want to continue fighting to remain or even rejoin the EU (once we leave) that’s fair enough. We’re lucky to live in a democratic country. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:52 - Dec 14 with 1812 views | QPR_John |
| Good Luck UK on 14:42 - Dec 14 by traininvain |
I voted remain and I accepted the result a long time ago. I think people on both sides need to be a bit more grown up.
But ultimately democracy is all about the freedom to protest and have a voice so if people want to continue fighting to remain or even rejoin the EU (once we leave) that’s fair enough. We’re lucky to live in a democratic country. |
No problem with a later vote to rejoin the EU but the original vote must surly be implemented first. It is not those like you that voted to remain but accept the result I have trouble with it is those that do not accept the result. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:03 - Dec 14 with 1792 views | traininvain |
| Good Luck UK on 14:52 - Dec 14 by QPR_John |
No problem with a later vote to rejoin the EU but the original vote must surly be implemented first. It is not those like you that voted to remain but accept the result I have trouble with it is those that do not accept the result. |
Fair enough. The result of the vote is being implemented and we should be out of the EU next year.
Important to remember that democracy allows people to protest and challenge even if we do not necessarily agree. People in Hong Kong are fighting tooth and nail to keep such rights. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:05 - Dec 14 with 1782 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Heseltine says it will be 20 years or more before any attempt to rejoin could happen, if ever.
That's a generation away. [Post edited 14 Dec 2019 15:07]
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| Good Luck UK on 15:11 - Dec 14 with 1770 views | traininvain |
| Good Luck UK on 15:05 - Dec 14 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Heseltine says it will be 20 years or more before any attempt to rejoin could happen, if ever.
That's a generation away. [Post edited 14 Dec 2019 15:07]
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Well that’s settled then! The people will decide when that happens just like people decided upon leaving the EU. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:14 - Dec 14 with 1756 views | WEAREAWFUL |
Where has momentum bazza gone  | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:32 - Dec 14 with 1727 views | derbyhoop |
| Good Luck UK on 14:02 - Dec 14 by MedwayR |
“You see us “remoaners” have spent three and a half years now telling you Brexit was wrong”
That’s the problem you see, you haven’t tried reasoning or understanding other people’s opinions, just telling them they’re wrong. After a while people stop listening if you’re unable to make a reasonable case for your point of view, hence you get labelled a remoaner.
As for your post, you seem to be confusing people who voted leave with the government. You come across as rather irrational and unable to accept other people’s views and choices, it’s called democracy and I’d expect you to understand that by now. |
Well the reason why I, and others have been banging the drum to Remain, is that all the Government forecasts say that the UK will be worse off out of the EU than by staying in. The evidence, over this year in particular, is that investment has dried up, and growth is stagnant. As Clinton used to say "It's the economy, stupid".
Then you add the collapse in immigration from the EU and you see shortages of doctors, nurses, social care staff and fruit pickers, coupled with huge rises in the use of food banks and the rise in in-work poverty - despite ercord levels of employment.
So turn your back on your closest neighbours and your biggest export markets who will start implementing tariffs on goods from the UK and restricting the rights of service companies to operate in the EU27.
I'm glad I'm out of it. I exercised my treaty rights to live in the EU27. I'm not likely to feel the pain, unless the UK stops paying the pensions to which I am entitled or the reciprocal health care I paid into for 45 years. But that doesn't stop me being concerned about friends and family who are not so fortunate. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 17:01 - Dec 14 with 2148 views | plasmahoop |
It does seem strange that the Labour Party has been absolutely, totally thrashed, yet people are blaming the electorate. I live in Kent, and all the seats from Dartford down to sittingbourne used to be Labour when Blair was in power. They were all classified as safe tory on the you gov mrp pre election. In Sittingbourne the tories won by 24000 votes. You need these seats to get a majority, and Labour is so far off its unreal. All these guardian reading, pseudo intellectual types are not as clever as they think they are, and people realised their manifesto was utter drivel | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 18:02 - Dec 14 with 2084 views | QPR_John |
| Good Luck UK on 15:32 - Dec 14 by derbyhoop |
Well the reason why I, and others have been banging the drum to Remain, is that all the Government forecasts say that the UK will be worse off out of the EU than by staying in. The evidence, over this year in particular, is that investment has dried up, and growth is stagnant. As Clinton used to say "It's the economy, stupid".
Then you add the collapse in immigration from the EU and you see shortages of doctors, nurses, social care staff and fruit pickers, coupled with huge rises in the use of food banks and the rise in in-work poverty - despite ercord levels of employment.
So turn your back on your closest neighbours and your biggest export markets who will start implementing tariffs on goods from the UK and restricting the rights of service companies to operate in the EU27.
I'm glad I'm out of it. I exercised my treaty rights to live in the EU27. I'm not likely to feel the pain, unless the UK stops paying the pensions to which I am entitled or the reciprocal health care I paid into for 45 years. But that doesn't stop me being concerned about friends and family who are not so fortunate. |
"Then you add the collapse in immigration from the EU and you see shortages of doctors, nurses,"
As an aside if these doctors and nurses are so vital how can their own countries afford to lose them. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 18:22 - Dec 14 with 2035 views | connell10 |
| Good Luck UK on 18:02 - Dec 14 by QPR_John |
"Then you add the collapse in immigration from the EU and you see shortages of doctors, nurses,"
As an aside if these doctors and nurses are so vital how can their own countries afford to lose them. |
You a very good speaker sir it's a wonder you dont go into parliament. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 18:27 - Dec 14 with 2022 views | QPR_John |
| Good Luck UK on 18:22 - Dec 14 by connell10 |
You a very good speaker sir it's a wonder you dont go into parliament. |
Life's complicated enough without having to study Erskine May | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 18:30 - Dec 14 with 2005 views | kensalriser |
Quite a lot of gratuituous stereotyping going on here. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 19:04 - Dec 14 with 1951 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Labour lost because of
A) it’s Brexit stance
B) The false perception of Corbyn.
C) The false perception that it’s Manifesto was unaffordable.
D) A disunified PLP
The manifesto (costs aside) was almost universally popular amongst everyone until we told them it was Labour and Corbyn’s policy.
This isn’t the opinion of a keyboard commentator, this is the opinion of someone who has been knocking on doors for the the last four years from Darlington to Falmouth.
Our failure, and I say I as an employee of the Labour Party who has just lost his job, was a weakness in dealing with false narratives and instead acting the martyr which was only really appreciated by the Labour bubble. By those false narratives I mean:
Labour skinted the country in 2008, Labour's manifesto was unaffordable, Corbyn is a IRA / Hamas / Iranian sympathiser, Corbyn and Labour are antisemitic.
For those Labour supporters who are blaming Corbyn, consider this; Blair (Centre Right), Brown (Centrist), Miliband (Soft Left), all got fewer votes than Corbyn and were all equally vilified in their time, except Blair who only copped it near the end when the Tabloids dropped their support of him. Whoever the next leader is, they will be subject to the same vilification because it is the system that is rigged. Labour under Corbyn tried to work outside the system by developing a Community and Grassroots based organising structure but sadly these take a decade to bed in, while we tried to do it in 3 years and under the phenomenon of Brexit. I truly believe that if the Tories didn’t have ‘Get Brexit Done’ to fall back on it would have been a Labour majority, with Corbyn or otherwise.
Anyway, best of luck to everyone. I am a big believer that as a country we get the government we deserve ultimately. [Post edited 14 Dec 2019 19:29]
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