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The teen has polarised many with her passionate speeches about climate change. Sincere teenage fear about her planet's future, or scaremongering rhetoric that is being bankrolled by some organisation(s) from the shadows?
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 14:42 - Sep 26 with 3371 views
Politics, money, and funding questions can be raised on both sides of the climate argument. But a 97% consensus is difficult to ignore.
Agreed and bear in mind that the GWPF is not a neutral scientific organisation, it is a climate change denying lobbying group founded by Lord Lawson...
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 16:07 - Sep 26 with 3295 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 14:40 - Sep 26 by BlackCrowe
The challenge with the green agenda and energy targets, plastics etc is that most of the worse contributors are from third world and emerging nations where much of the population are understandably more concerned about food, clean drinking water and shelter for the next 24 hours rather than what the world might look like in 30/100 years time.
Labour's policy on allowing developing countries free access to green tech developed here, in the spirit of reparations and to assist in global efforts to reduce carbon emissions is excellent.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 21:57 - Sep 26 with 3188 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 15:16 - Sep 26 by R_from_afar
Agreed and bear in mind that the GWPF is not a neutral scientific organisation, it is a climate change denying lobbying group founded by Lord Lawson...
The previous year's speaker was former Aussie PM 'climate change is crap' Tony Abbott. From opposition, he labelled our emissions trading scheme a 'carbon tax' and abolished it when he gained office. That reversed the previous decline in CO2 emissions, and they have continued to increase over the five years since.
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 00:09 - Sep 27 by GloryHunter
All academic research is funded by somebody. That doesn't mean the author is not publishing his independent thoughts.
I’m sure he believes everything he’s saying. But what I’m saying is that if he believes something different, he wouldn’t be sitting where he’s sitting (on the Peabody Payroll).
Apologies for the Chomsky rip off.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 01:50 - Sep 27 with 3095 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 12:48 - Sep 26 by stevec
Fair comment in many ways and if the young do eventually take the world to an Edward Bellamy style Socialist Utopia then all power to them.
However, in the intervening centuries, and it would take centuries, I suspect the collapse of capitalism would result in absolute carnage for those living through it, maybe those in public service believe they’re immune to its demise. Short term maybe, long term not.
Every one of us does or has relied on a weekly wage paid for by capitalism. I’m curious from those who want to bring it down precisely what will sufficiently replace it until the glorious dream is realised.
The problem is not capitalism but corrupt capitalism. Where the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 21:57 - Sep 26 by isawqpratwcity
The previous year's speaker was former Aussie PM 'climate change is crap' Tony Abbott. From opposition, he labelled our emissions trading scheme a 'carbon tax' and abolished it when he gained office. That reversed the previous decline in CO2 emissions, and they have continued to increase over the five years since.
Yes Abbott treated the previous female prime-minister disgracefully and got away with it. He then got in on a chorus of 'stop the boats' and banging on about the 'carbon tax'. The largely right wing press didn't bother to question him.
He was never likely to last long because he's useless and a pretty awful human being. His own party got rid of him and the the electorate did. Now we have a guy that not long ago was waving a lump of coal around in parliament. Good times.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 08:38 - Sep 27 with 2965 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 01:50 - Sep 27 by Miss_Terraces
The problem is not capitalism but corrupt capitalism. Where the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.
If you had a capitalist system with an equitable distribution of wealth and ownership of the means to produce that wealth, that wouldn't be capitalism. I'm almost at the point of looking back fondly on the halcyon days when the poor were simply kept poor and not made poorer.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 09:00 - Sep 27 with 2944 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 08:56 - Sep 27 by Sonic_Hoop
If you had a capitalist system with an equitable distribution of wealth and ownership of the means to produce that wealth, that wouldn't be capitalism. I'm almost at the point of looking back fondly on the halcyon days when the poor were simply kept poor and not made poorer.
Where have you been all my life?
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 09:25 - Sep 27 with 2919 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 08:56 - Sep 27 by Sonic_Hoop
If you had a capitalist system with an equitable distribution of wealth and ownership of the means to produce that wealth, that wouldn't be capitalism. I'm almost at the point of looking back fondly on the halcyon days when the poor were simply kept poor and not made poorer.
Not by me, but I agree. "She doesn’t dress to attract men. She doesn’t charm or flirt or giggle or pout. She has a death stare. She is angry. She is here to say something, whether people want to hear it or not.
She’s challenging the power of middle-aged white men, and it upsets and threatens them. They’re used to giving their opinions and being listened to and being respected. They don’t quite understand where she’s appeared from and why she’s talking like she’s an equal, and they don’t like it."
The grass is always greener.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 13:09 - Sep 27 with 2797 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 08:56 - Sep 27 by Sonic_Hoop
If you had a capitalist system with an equitable distribution of wealth and ownership of the means to produce that wealth, that wouldn't be capitalism. I'm almost at the point of looking back fondly on the halcyon days when the poor were simply kept poor and not made poorer.
I always thought the key aspect of capitalism was the distinction between private and state ownership with distribution of wealth and ownership of the means of production only being an incidental and not essential component?
I agree with a lot of what Greta says however I've not done anything meaningful to change my lifestyle apart from buying the 'ecover' brand washing up liquid that all middle class people do.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 13:20 - Sep 27 with 2786 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 12:43 - Sep 27 by Esox_Lucius
Not by me, but I agree. "She doesn’t dress to attract men. She doesn’t charm or flirt or giggle or pout. She has a death stare. She is angry. She is here to say something, whether people want to hear it or not.
She’s challenging the power of middle-aged white men, and it upsets and threatens them. They’re used to giving their opinions and being listened to and being respected. They don’t quite understand where she’s appeared from and why she’s talking like she’s an equal, and they don’t like it."
Noble righteous youth. Could have been said about this lot...
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 13:21 - Sep 27 with 2783 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 13:09 - Sep 27 by joe90
I always thought the key aspect of capitalism was the distinction between private and state ownership with distribution of wealth and ownership of the means of production only being an incidental and not essential component?
I agree with a lot of what Greta says however I've not done anything meaningful to change my lifestyle apart from buying the 'ecover' brand washing up liquid that all middle class people do.
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private and collective ownership. That collective ownership doesn't have to be by the state.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 13:40 - Sep 27 with 2747 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 12:43 - Sep 27 by Esox_Lucius
Not by me, but I agree. "She doesn’t dress to attract men. She doesn’t charm or flirt or giggle or pout. She has a death stare. She is angry. She is here to say something, whether people want to hear it or not.
She’s challenging the power of middle-aged white men, and it upsets and threatens them. They’re used to giving their opinions and being listened to and being respected. They don’t quite understand where she’s appeared from and why she’s talking like she’s an equal, and they don’t like it."
She and her generation have a lot longer left to live on an increasingly devastated planet than the leaders of nations, or most of us on here, come to think of it.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 23:55 - Sep 27 with 2603 views
A major scientific paper, which claimed to have found rapid warming in the oceans as a result of manmade global warming, has been withdrawn after an amateur climate scientist found major errors in its statistical methodology.
The paper, from a team led by Laure Resplandy of Princeton University, had received widespread uncritical publicity in the mainstream media when it was published because of its apparently alarming implications for the planet. However, within days of its publication in October 2018, independent scientist Nic Lewis found several serious flaws.
Yesterday, after nearly a year’s delay, the paper was officially withdrawn.
Nic Lewis said
“This is just the latest example of climate scientists letting themselves down by using incorrect statistics. The climate field needs to get professional statisticians involved up front if it is going to avoid this kind of embarrassment in future”.
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 09:16 - Sep 28 with 2468 views
What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 08:57 - Sep 28 by GloryHunter
A major scientific paper, which claimed to have found rapid warming in the oceans as a result of manmade global warming, has been withdrawn after an amateur climate scientist found major errors in its statistical methodology.
The paper, from a team led by Laure Resplandy of Princeton University, had received widespread uncritical publicity in the mainstream media when it was published because of its apparently alarming implications for the planet. However, within days of its publication in October 2018, independent scientist Nic Lewis found several serious flaws.
Yesterday, after nearly a year’s delay, the paper was officially withdrawn.
Nic Lewis said
“This is just the latest example of climate scientists letting themselves down by using incorrect statistics. The climate field needs to get professional statisticians involved up front if it is going to avoid this kind of embarrassment in future”.
What I find interesting is that in my social media feeds, anyone daring to critique Ms Thunberg, or question the agenda behind her, is immediately labelled a misogynist (or far worse). Even in this thread it seems entirely acceptable to single out "middle aged white men" as the sole enemy of the current media darling. All this does is stifle debate (which is perhaps the goal). I know for a fact female friends of mine find the way Ms Thunberg is being used (some might say manipulated) disturbing, yet they have all told me they either don't dare express this opinion publicly, or that if they have, they've been shut down or ignored.
Personally I am sceptical of the focus on CO2 and even more sceptical of the myriad ways presented to limit it and the effects of doing that will have.
My problem with the focus on Greta Thunberg is that the focus is on her, the headlines are about her, about her background, why should she be given a platform, she's just a child etc etc. No one is talking about the climate issue, just about her. No one is listening to what she says so whoever is behind her has failed in my opinion, all they've achieved is to make her famous. The fact that the climate debate has become focused on her and not all the damage done and currently being done highlights the ignorance around the subject. She is used by mainstream media as an easy way to fill their newspaper, she is used by politicians as an easy PR opportunity to look like they care. They don't, they won't listen, no one knows what she's said because the media focus on her not her message. It's all a waste of time. More often than not, the influential people in politics are behind the scenes, that's where the climate issue needs to be played from and won, not through 16 year old girls in front of a camera.
Deep breath, and.... 1 - That is one paper. Given that all bar, I think, two of the world's nations have signed the Paris accord, there are vast numbers of climate scientists and independent scientific organisations checking the data. There are umpteen contributors to the IPCC reports too I previously posted a list of the IPCC contributors *on here* because a poster was saying something along the lines of "Ah, but it's FOE, Greenpeace and The Green Party who are providing the input". The list is freely available. I might see what real climate.org, a website for actual climate scientists to discuss stuff, says about Nic Lewis' paper. They have reviewed his comments.
2 - Greta has got people talking about the issues. There will always be commentators who focus on the person not their message but Twitter, as an example, is awash with tweets commenting on her arguments. Aside from her age, it would be hard for a spokesperson to be any more neutral of self effacing. She barely talks about herself, she doesn't dress flamboyantly or cultivate a look, she is about as ordinary as a person - bar obviously her impact - could be. She even made a statement that she has not and does not endorse the use of her image for any product/service promotions.
3 - Have you seen the cost of not acting to stop climate change? It runs into the trillions and even if fossil fuels were completely benign, they are finite. Most oil producing nations have been overstating their reserves - there are no independent figures available - by up to 35% in the case of the Saudis (leaked document). "New oil" eg from fracking only makes up about 8% of output so most of our oil comes from traditional sources. We are in trouble. If climate change is not halted, the UK will become an archipelago. Even if we were physically able to stop coastal flooding, we could not afford to prevent it everywhere. It costs £5000 per metre to protect our coast. Per metre. A place in small town in Wales has already become the first UK community to fall victim to the rising seas; the local council has said they cannot save it and it will have to be abandoned and everyone rehoused.
If we do not get on top of this, life for billions of people is going to be a desperate challenge, with numbers of refugees running into the hundreds of millions, and many of them will be here into the UK too.
Sorry for such a depressing post but this is where we are. There is hope, we can fix this - plenty of studies have shown that - but we all need to pitch in. Our leaders have spent decades kicking the can down the road and we risk reaching tipping points which will mean irreversible damage.
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"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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What does everyone make of this Greta Thunberg debate? on 10:59 - Sep 28 with 2418 views
Not sure if anybody else has posted this but the main reason behind global warming and climate change is that there are far too many of us on the planet eating, breathing, farting, driving and consuming electricity.
We are only temporary custodians of this planet and when Mother Nature has had enough of us we'll be gone and we won't be able to do a damn thing about it.
As for Greta more power to her elbow. She is highlighting something and doing something about it. All pioneers and trailblazers have their naysayers. Goes with the territory. Hope she has the mental strength to put up with it.
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