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Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 21:01 - Aug 30 by builthjack
No
Of course they don't. Anyone who believes that the owners give a toss for the Club, the city and supporters is deluded beyond comprehension. They are hedge fund managers. They are in it to make as many bucks as they can. Why should anyone think otherwise or begin to believe their statements to the contrary?
Britishness...is a political synonym for Englishness which extends English culture over the Scots, the Welsh, and the Irish. - Gwynfor Evans
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Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 16:07 - Aug 31 with 1433 views
I spoke to van zveden a few seasons ago (I think monk was in charge) round about January transfer window , before the selling of shares to a hedge fund .
He told me then they were absolutely skint and wouldn’t be buying any more players o come in .
“The board all agreed that we would never put the club into debt ever again “were the kind of words me used .
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 15:14 - Aug 31 by Cooperman
You’re mixing up quality of signings with value of signings.
If it had not been Borja, Mesa et al it would have been other players at similar values. Whether they would be any good or not is an entirely different question altogether.
Not really mixing anything up. We bought them for over market value, then sold them at way less than we bought them for. Ignoring the fact that they offered no “value” to the playing squad while they were here.
Buy high, sell low. That is no way to run a business. 10’s of millions wasted!
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Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 16:51 - Aug 31 with 1371 views
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 17:50 - Aug 31 by costalotta
Definitely!
Was Shaky a lot closer than he was given credit for?
Agendas, some spin a story to suit the reality when in fact the reality was already known and obvious. But hey ho...it takes all sorts i suppose.
A lot closer?
Never let it be said that my legendary modesty has prevented me from pointing out I have been bang on the money since i started posting here. About everything.
It is perfectly fine to dislike me, but to believe anything else in the face of all the overwhelming evidence is very, very stupid indeed.
Or outright dishonest in the case of the errand boy and his staff.
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 15:56 - Aug 31 by jacabertawe
Of course they don't. Anyone who believes that the owners give a toss for the Club, the city and supporters is deluded beyond comprehension. They are hedge fund managers. They are in it to make as many bucks as they can. Why should anyone think otherwise or begin to believe their statements to the contrary?
Exactly. Why on earth can’t some people see this ?
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 18:33 - Aug 31 by longlostjack
Exactly. Why on earth can’t some people see this ?
[Post edited 31 Aug 2018 18:36]
There are many different types of hedge fund, but one common feature is the use of leverage or debt to add speculative oompf to their returns.
And one thing that is much less widely understood is the extent to which Jenkins was already using debt to finance player purchase way before Kaplan rode into town.
In terms of financial management they were in fact kindred spirits.
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 18:49 - Aug 31 by Shaky
There are many different types of hedge fund, but one common feature is the use of leverage or debt to add speculative oompf to their returns.
And one thing that is much less widely understood is the extent to which Jenkins was already using debt to finance player purchase way before Kaplan rode into town.
In terms of financial management they were in fact kindred spirits.
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 16:07 - Aug 31 by oh_tommy_tommy
I spoke to van zveden a few seasons ago (I think monk was in charge) round about January transfer window , before the selling of shares to a hedge fund .
He told me then they were absolutely skint and wouldn’t be buying any more players o come in .
“The board all agreed that we would never put the club into debt ever again “were the kind of words me used .
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 19:09 - Aug 31 by longlostjack
Distressing.
Perhaps more distressing is the lack of transparency to us supporters
So......Yes - apparently senior Trust officials frequent this site. As such (on this site) supporters should be kept informed of "how bad the club's finances appear to be"
Are these Trust officials not party to financial Planning and Forecasting ?
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Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 23:00 - Aug 31 with 1002 views
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 18:01 - Aug 31 by Shaky
A lot closer?
Never let it be said that my legendary modesty has prevented me from pointing out I have been bang on the money since i started posting here. About everything.
It is perfectly fine to dislike me, but to believe anything else in the face of all the overwhelming evidence is very, very stupid indeed.
Or outright dishonest in the case of the errand boy and his staff.
[Post edited 31 Aug 2018 18:06]
I can't work out if you genuinely believe that or not.
A part of me hopes you do just for sheer entertainment purposes.
Last season you spent much of it arguing with me that we had lots of money where I was assuring you we did not. Your tune soon changed and have now passed this latest change of mind off as something of a revelation.
You also have spent much of this season accusing myself and The Res of being part of an elaborate plan hatched by the club and Pearlman to discredit you (all the while making a record breaking amount of incorrect ''multi'' accusations).
Can you remind us what exactly you have been correct about which was your original opinion and not something you piggybacked after realising you were initially wrong?
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 23:00 - Aug 31 by E20Jack
I can't work out if you genuinely believe that or not.
A part of me hopes you do just for sheer entertainment purposes.
Last season you spent much of it arguing with me that we had lots of money where I was assuring you we did not. Your tune soon changed and have now passed this latest change of mind off as something of a revelation.
You also have spent much of this season accusing myself and The Res of being part of an elaborate plan hatched by the club and Pearlman to discredit you (all the while making a record breaking amount of incorrect ''multi'' accusations).
Can you remind us what exactly you have been correct about which was your original opinion and not something you piggybacked after realising you were initially wrong?
[Post edited 1 Sep 2018 4:16]
What have I been right about?
Off the top of my head:
* The valuation of the club
* That the Trust should have engaged with the Moores consortium
* That the sellouts would go behind the Trust's back after they shelved Moores.
* All the tactical moves throughout the Kaplan takeover.
* The unfair prejudice strategy I gave to the Tust.
* The financial analysis of the club's position in general
* the prerilous state of the club's finances as detailed when the '17 accounts were published in particular
* That the transfer window last summer was not the 'best one ever' but rather a disaster in waiting
* That the football was not 'free-flowing' but a load of turgid crap.
* that the dishonest errand is being fed his lines from Jenkins
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 09:22 - Sep 1 by E20Jack
I said quite clearly “that you didn’t piggy back off others”.
So that leaves nothing correct and original, and incorrect things.
As I thought.
Those who can do, Dim.
Those who can't do anything - people like you - and feel deeply frustrated about it, try to denigrate the real achievements of others and claim credit for their successes.
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 09:38 - Sep 1 by Shaky
Those who can do, Dim.
Those who can't do anything - people like you - and feel deeply frustrated about it, try to denigrate the real achievements of others and claim credit for their successes.
Water off a duck's back.
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Eh? Half of those you have copied, many of which you held the opposite opinion to until you finally caught up. A quarter of them are wrong. The other quarter are incorrect assumptions based on nothing.
Which of those bullet points are you considering “an achievement” exactly?
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 10:06 - Sep 1 by E20Jack
Eh? Half of those you have copied, many of which you held the opposite opinion to until you finally caught up. A quarter of them are wrong. The other quarter are incorrect assumptions based on nothing.
Which of those bullet points are you considering “an achievement” exactly?
You are utterly barking. Truly.
Fcuk off Dim you little kunt.
I made that list for fun as a little aide memoire for those unlike my old arch enemy Captain Shipmate who for some reason have failed to recognise i have been right about everything.
The simple fact is I have no psychological need to keep repeating them, because being right is a way of life for me. I am right almost all of the time. It is a cross I have to bear, because as the saying goes nobody likes a know it all
Having anything to to with arseholes such such as you is more of a choice, however.
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 10:16 - Sep 1 by Shaky
Fcuk off Dim you little kunt.
I made that list for fun as a little aide memoire for those unlike my old arch enemy Captain Shipmate who for some reason have failed to recognise i have been right about everything.
The simple fact is I have no psychological need to keep repeating them, because being right is a way of life for me. I am right almost all of the time. It is a cross I have to bear, because as the saying goes nobody likes a know it all
Having anything to to with arseholes such such as you is more of a choice, however.
Bye.
You just realised you let your mask slip didn’t you.
Achievements. Jesus Christ.
You have been spectacularly wrong about everything. The things you are picking up and carrying is stuff you have been arguing against for months. You are one of life’s perennial losers and an absolute stain on this forum.
I cannot think of a single thing you have been correct about, not a single thing. The fact you were unable to point to a single thing either tells us all exactly what we need to know about you.
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 18:01 - Aug 31 by Shaky
A lot closer?
Never let it be said that my legendary modesty has prevented me from pointing out I have been bang on the money since i started posting here. About everything.
It is perfectly fine to dislike me, but to believe anything else in the face of all the overwhelming evidence is very, very stupid indeed.
Or outright dishonest in the case of the errand boy and his staff.
[Post edited 31 Aug 2018 18:06]
Yes a lot closer. Not a critism by the way. You’ve certainly been far closer than error20 where he and one or two others try to spin the news /information rather than try to understand it. But it takes all sorts and very occasionally entertaining but mostly a complete borefest.
But that’s based on some observations where you’ve made adjustments to your maths/calculations.
Keep up the good work.
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Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 11:18 - Sep 1 with 772 views
Are you surprised at how bad the clubs finances appear to be? on 11:12 - Sep 1 by E20Jack
You just realised you let your mask slip didn’t you.
Achievements. Jesus Christ.
You have been spectacularly wrong about everything. The things you are picking up and carrying is stuff you have been arguing against for months. You are one of life’s perennial losers and an absolute stain on this forum.
I cannot think of a single thing you have been correct about, not a single thing. The fact you were unable to point to a single thing either tells us all exactly what we need to know about you.
Stop wasting our time.
"I cannot think of a single thing you have been correct about, not a single thing"
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I can't work out if you genuinely believe that or not. 
