| McClaren incoming on 10:35 - May 7 with 3136 views | CamberleyR |
| McClaren incoming on 09:53 - May 7 by onlyrinmoray |
I thought we beat Wolves and Sheff Utd thats another two greens still doesnt look good I agree |
Wolves, the fakes and Birmingham need to be added as 'green' to give Holloway's full away record rather than that skewed sample in the graphic. There was also the fully deserved draw at champions Newcastle that another day could quite easily be a win. [Post edited 7 May 2018 10:38]
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| McClaren incoming on 10:37 - May 7 with 3123 views | THEBUSH |
I think Ollie should be able to see out the one year left on his contract.
The general consensus is, he should stop mucking about with his team selections and I agree with that.
He´s giving the younger players a chance and if the club gets 3 experienced defenders in, I think we´ll be ok. |  | | |
| McClaren incoming on 10:40 - May 7 with 3110 views | francisbowles |
We've nearly always been crap away!
The best season I can remember was the Venables promotion one, where, from memory, we won ten.
Even the 75-76 team only won seven away. |  | | |
| McClaren incoming on 10:45 - May 7 with 3089 views | isawqpratwcity |
| McClaren incoming on 09:44 - May 7 by PunteR |
Have you got his number? |
Be serious.
Presumably he only came here because of Holloway. If the club were to approach him and say, 'we're thinking of finishing Holloway up, would that mean we lose you, too?'
If he says yes, then you'd know where you stood. You'd also know that his loyalty lay to the man, not to the club.
No point in not knowing these things. |  |
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| McClaren incoming on 10:47 - May 7 with 3076 views | hoopdog |
| McClaren incoming on 10:37 - May 7 by THEBUSH |
I think Ollie should be able to see out the one year left on his contract.
The general consensus is, he should stop mucking about with his team selections and I agree with that.
He´s giving the younger players a chance and if the club gets 3 experienced defenders in, I think we´ll be ok. |
OF course he should with the chance of a further year if the coming season pans out well as I expected it to
Posters recognize he's giving young players a chance and that's because he's building for the future job half done ! What he needs now is backing from Ferdinand and Hoos over the summer preferably early summer | | | |
| McClaren incoming on 10:50 - May 7 with 3070 views | isawqpratwcity |
| McClaren incoming on 09:38 - May 7 by Rangersw12 |
You need to give him credit for picking those young players ! A lot of managers would of just stuck with the senior players as they would be thinking of themselves and not the club !! |
Actually, I do give him credit for bringing on youngsters, though at times he hasn't had many other options. He is certainly better for favouring youngsters than Hasselbaink.
But he doesn't do it flawlessly: sometimes in, then out for weeks, or like Eze the other week, dumped up front with no support for 90 minutes. | |
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| McClaren incoming on 10:50 - May 7 with 3062 views | VancouverHoop |
The thing about playing out the last year of his contract is that if it's not extended by, say January, he and everyone else will know it likely won't be. Managers hardly ever play out the term, they get a new deal, or they're gone. That's why, if the club doesn't want to renew, this is the best time to make a change. Note that I'm not saying this should happen, only that if he's going it should be now and, conversely, if he's staying he should get an extension soon. Otherwise this is going to an issue hanging over Ollie, and the club, for most of the coming season. | | | |
| McClaren incoming on 10:53 - May 7 with 3044 views | PunteR |
| McClaren incoming on 10:45 - May 7 by isawqpratwcity |
Be serious.
Presumably he only came here because of Holloway. If the club were to approach him and say, 'we're thinking of finishing Holloway up, would that mean we lose you, too?'
If he says yes, then you'd know where you stood. You'd also know that his loyalty lay to the man, not to the club.
No point in not knowing these things. |
I was just trying to put another tick in Holloways box. They've obviously got a good working relationship and so far its been successful.
Yes if Ollie goes and a new manager comes in theres nothing to say Penrice couldnt work with him. But yes the board would need that conversation but theres no way they could do that while ollie is still here. Thats the chance they'll have to take. Its their call. |  |
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| McClaren incoming on 10:56 - May 7 with 3032 views | PunteR |
| McClaren incoming on 10:50 - May 7 by isawqpratwcity |
Actually, I do give him credit for bringing on youngsters, though at times he hasn't had many other options. He is certainly better for favouring youngsters than Hasselbaink.
But he doesn't do it flawlessly: sometimes in, then out for weeks, or like Eze the other week, dumped up front with no support for 90 minutes. |
And Smyth. Played a blinder and scored against Villa i think then dropped the next game. | |
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| McClaren incoming on 11:07 - May 7 with 2973 views | isawqpratwcity |
| McClaren incoming on 10:24 - May 7 by blacky200 |
I wasn't saying that it is down to him getting rid of the mercenaries but it has massively hindered him having them around and taking up wages so rebuilding in earnest can't start until they are gone.
If you look at our gates we are pretty much in the table where we should be. An average championship team.
All relegation's involve teams worse than ours that's how leagues work.
Yes we've been rebuilding but we have been rebuilding different managers teams and ideals. Unless we have a manchester city way (all the teams from youth up play the same formation and the manager has to play that way) then any new manager will have their own ideas about how they want to play. Getting a new manager every 12-18 months is not stability and any rebuilding will be never ending.If we are going to extremes then Alex Ferguson didn't win anything till he had been in the job for 3 years. |
We've had the same basic policy since Fernandes told Redknapp he wasn't getting any new players in January 2015. Since then it's been 'put the chequebook away, develop players instead'. Les is here to make sure that no individual manager skews the squad off plan and saves having to do massive changes when a manager goes.
This season has been an especially poor Championship. In the 14 seasons prior, only three times has a team earned a point a game or less and avoided relegation. This season that total doubled.
The club has structurally reduced the possible effects of instability and we have seen that since 2015. To claim that risk when the current manager is clearly underperforming is fatuous.
Alex Ferguson and MU? Are we really comparing apples with apples now? | |
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| McClaren incoming on 11:28 - May 7 with 2925 views | loftus77 |
| McClaren incoming on 10:50 - May 7 by VancouverHoop |
The thing about playing out the last year of his contract is that if it's not extended by, say January, he and everyone else will know it likely won't be. Managers hardly ever play out the term, they get a new deal, or they're gone. That's why, if the club doesn't want to renew, this is the best time to make a change. Note that I'm not saying this should happen, only that if he's going it should be now and, conversely, if he's staying he should get an extension soon. Otherwise this is going to an issue hanging over Ollie, and the club, for most of the coming season. |
Have to admit that's a very good point. | | | |
| McClaren incoming on 11:42 - May 7 with 2875 views | LongsufferingR |
| McClaren incoming on 10:50 - May 7 by VancouverHoop |
The thing about playing out the last year of his contract is that if it's not extended by, say January, he and everyone else will know it likely won't be. Managers hardly ever play out the term, they get a new deal, or they're gone. That's why, if the club doesn't want to renew, this is the best time to make a change. Note that I'm not saying this should happen, only that if he's going it should be now and, conversely, if he's staying he should get an extension soon. Otherwise this is going to an issue hanging over Ollie, and the club, for most of the coming season. |
Excellent point. I'm not one for changing now unless it's for an outstanding candidate, but this is certainly true. |  | | |
| McClaren incoming on 11:45 - May 7 with 2865 views | DejR_vu |
| McClaren incoming on 09:35 - May 7 by qpr85 |
Also doesn't include the Peterborough friendly we plaid and won.
But let's just include the ones that back your story up. Also what about a mention to the games we only lost by one goal??
Ah well as long as it makes people get excited about ANOTHER new manager that will want to rebuild again and then in November we can slag his style off and get ANOTHER manager in. |
But does it make much difference? I think between appointment and that Preston result he won three away, drew one, and lost four. Makes the table look a bit better, but not much in the grand scheme of things. And, those results were 18 months ago, so pretty much irrelevant, except in showing that he is getting worse, not better. At least if they were the most recent results you could perhaps argue that he's turned a corner (although even then it's probably just going to be an upward blip in the long-term trend).
And what difference does it make if we lose by only one goal? | |
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| McClaren incoming on 12:07 - May 7 with 2826 views | loftboy |
Being slightly pedantic maybe and guess just knowing how Uncle Tone listens to fans on social media, just because Olly says he’s not going anywhere doesn’t mean that the board have the same idea! |  |
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| McClaren incoming on 12:16 - May 7 with 2780 views | isawqpratwcity |
| McClaren incoming on 12:07 - May 7 by loftboy |
Being slightly pedantic maybe and guess just knowing how Uncle Tone listens to fans on social media, just because Olly says he’s not going anywhere doesn’t mean that the board have the same idea! |
I would prefer that the management of the club be above focus group-type considerations.
A rigorous review is all I ask. | |
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| McClaren incoming on 12:50 - May 7 with 2729 views | daveB |
| McClaren incoming on 11:45 - May 7 by DejR_vu |
But does it make much difference? I think between appointment and that Preston result he won three away, drew one, and lost four. Makes the table look a bit better, but not much in the grand scheme of things. And, those results were 18 months ago, so pretty much irrelevant, except in showing that he is getting worse, not better. At least if they were the most recent results you could perhaps argue that he's turned a corner (although even then it's probably just going to be an upward blip in the long-term trend).
And what difference does it make if we lose by only one goal? |
Don't think anyone is saying his away record is any good but to show his record including pre season games he lost and leaving out ones he won and taking out a few away games he did get good results does hint at an agenda to paint him in the worst possible light rather than let the facts speak for themselves.
No doubt his away record is crap, perhaps thats all down to him but for me the away form was crap before he joined and with a new manager next season I'd be surprised if it improved significantly. I'm a semi regular on away trips and I've not seen QPR win outside London since 2014 which pre dates Holloway by a couple of managers. only away win I've seen in that time was at Fulham last season |  | | |
| McClaren incoming on 14:02 - May 7 with 2623 views | Hunterhoop |
My two pennies' worth.
I've not managed to get to as many away games this season as quite a few on here. Only 5, I think.
Sun was the first time I have genuinely thought the squad aren't, or weren't, playing for holiday.
It was a dreadful, turgid performance with no urgency whatsoever, against a very average Leeds side. It was very much an "in the beach" performance, which says one of two things to me. Either the players know he's going so just went through the motions (understandable and not the first time a side has done that!). OR he isn't going but he was unable to motivate them to try in this dead rubber. Whilst he wouldn't be the first manager to struggle in this scenario, it doesn't say much for him either.
Holloway is a true QPR great. A genuine club legend. He's fulfilled his brief. Is he capable, at this juncture, of improving these players and this team? I'm not so sure. Too much inconsistency in our performances and results lends wine to believe it's luck over judgement when it goes well. Love the man, but I would be very surprised if we didn't improve under McClaren with the same squad. Remember with a DoF, Head of Academy, and little money to spend, we don't want or need a "manager", we need a good "coach". McClaren fulfills that job spec, I believe.
I think It might be best for all parties if we shake hands amicably at this point in time. He'll always be welcome back with open arms.
If he stays i'll continue to support him and sing his name. But he'll need to take more personal responsibility for results and "why" the players aren't doing what he wanted (which he says a lot after losses). |  | | |
| McClaren incoming on 14:18 - May 7 with 2582 views | Nov77 |
| McClaren incoming on 10:40 - May 7 by francisbowles |
We've nearly always been crap away!
The best season I can remember was the Venables promotion one, where, from memory, we won ten.
Even the 75-76 team only won seven away. |
In 75-6 we were playing the best teams in the country every week, not the likes of Burton |  |
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| McClaren incoming on 14:29 - May 7 with 2566 views | PunteR |
| McClaren incoming on 14:18 - May 7 by Nov77 |
In 75-6 we were playing the best teams in the country every week, not the likes of Burton |
All relative though | |
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| McClaren incoming on 14:43 - May 7 with 2526 views | CamberleyR |
| McClaren incoming on 10:40 - May 7 by francisbowles |
We've nearly always been crap away!
The best season I can remember was the Venables promotion one, where, from memory, we won ten.
Even the 75-76 team only won seven away. |
And there's even a caveat in there as well in that we only won once away (the Derby 5-1 thrashing in the first away game) until the end of January. | |
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| McClaren incoming on 14:50 - May 7 with 2507 views | isawqpratwcity |
It doesn't matter whether we have always been crap away or not (and we haven't), we just shouldn't be. | |
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| McClaren incoming on 14:52 - May 7 with 2501 views | blacky200 |
| McClaren incoming on 11:07 - May 7 by isawqpratwcity |
We've had the same basic policy since Fernandes told Redknapp he wasn't getting any new players in January 2015. Since then it's been 'put the chequebook away, develop players instead'. Les is here to make sure that no individual manager skews the squad off plan and saves having to do massive changes when a manager goes.
This season has been an especially poor Championship. In the 14 seasons prior, only three times has a team earned a point a game or less and avoided relegation. This season that total doubled.
The club has structurally reduced the possible effects of instability and we have seen that since 2015. To claim that risk when the current manager is clearly underperforming is fatuous.
Alex Ferguson and MU? Are we really comparing apples with apples now? |
We may have had the same policy since 2015 but the style of football and manager ideals has changed with every manager. Man city play the same formation all the way through their teams (I think Pep bought that to them)
I wasn't comparing us to Man Utd I was saying that even a great manager takes time to build their team. I don't know how old you are but I remember there was a big outcry from the fans to sack him (although Man U fans deny this). |  | | |
| McClaren incoming on 15:38 - May 7 with 2421 views | daveB |
| McClaren incoming on 14:02 - May 7 by Hunterhoop |
My two pennies' worth.
I've not managed to get to as many away games this season as quite a few on here. Only 5, I think.
Sun was the first time I have genuinely thought the squad aren't, or weren't, playing for holiday.
It was a dreadful, turgid performance with no urgency whatsoever, against a very average Leeds side. It was very much an "in the beach" performance, which says one of two things to me. Either the players know he's going so just went through the motions (understandable and not the first time a side has done that!). OR he isn't going but he was unable to motivate them to try in this dead rubber. Whilst he wouldn't be the first manager to struggle in this scenario, it doesn't say much for him either.
Holloway is a true QPR great. A genuine club legend. He's fulfilled his brief. Is he capable, at this juncture, of improving these players and this team? I'm not so sure. Too much inconsistency in our performances and results lends wine to believe it's luck over judgement when it goes well. Love the man, but I would be very surprised if we didn't improve under McClaren with the same squad. Remember with a DoF, Head of Academy, and little money to spend, we don't want or need a "manager", we need a good "coach". McClaren fulfills that job spec, I believe.
I think It might be best for all parties if we shake hands amicably at this point in time. He'll always be welcome back with open arms.
If he stays i'll continue to support him and sing his name. But he'll need to take more personal responsibility for results and "why" the players aren't doing what he wanted (which he says a lot after losses). |
I think it's harsh to judge Holloway on yesterday, it was a nothing end of the season game, even Man City looked lacklustre yesterday, you can never really learn much from these kind of games.
Going forward I don't think it's ever a case of we only need a coach or now we need a manager, you always need a combination of both otherwise Ramsey would have been a real success. McLaren is a good coach and could improve players but he's always lacked at putting a good team together and his man management has always come across as him wanting to be one of the boys rather than an authority figure.
I'm not saying Holloway is our only option but do think we need to be careful of who we go for next, We stll need someone who has a good record in the transfer market, can develop players and build a winning team. Mclaren doesn't tick all of these boxes just as Holloway doesn't.
The form at QPR is to go for the opposite of what you had before so we went from Redknapp to a coach, a coach to a manager with strong discipline working players hard then to a more fun manager who will motivate the players we have now we're back to wanting a coach again.
All the talk of playoff push etc next season this squad to me looks nowhere near good enough for that, they'll do well to replicate this season without several additions. We lack width still, weak at centre half and poor up front before you even start worrying about replacing players who are leaving. | | | |
| McClaren incoming on 15:46 - May 7 with 2394 views | isawqpratwcity |
| McClaren incoming on 14:52 - May 7 by blacky200 |
We may have had the same policy since 2015 but the style of football and manager ideals has changed with every manager. Man city play the same formation all the way through their teams (I think Pep bought that to them)
I wasn't comparing us to Man Utd I was saying that even a great manager takes time to build their team. I don't know how old you are but I remember there was a big outcry from the fans to sack him (although Man U fans deny this). |
The three managers have all had fairly different styles of play, though none was absolutely committed to a perfectly rigid plan. Also none was ever allowed to make that many purchases in an effort to chase a particular style and all purchases were at least overseen by the same DoF. Any incoming manager would have to understand that the squad will be, by and large, WYSIWYG.
I think most of us have got a very strong sense that Holloway isn't going to improve that much. Last time he was here, elsewhere, and, most especially, here this time, we are disappointed waiting for Holloway to be a consistent, effective manager. Let me give you the evidence to argue against myself in that it isn't that Holloway hasn't elicited some very strong performances out of the team, he certainly has, but he has not been able to sustain a high level of performance for any appreciable length of time, or even demonstrate that he really knows what works and what doesn't.
(I should have this pre-programmed as a single key stroke, I say it so often.) He is inconsistent and, overall, not very good.
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| McClaren incoming on 15:58 - May 7 with 2348 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| McClaren incoming on 15:46 - May 7 by isawqpratwcity |
The three managers have all had fairly different styles of play, though none was absolutely committed to a perfectly rigid plan. Also none was ever allowed to make that many purchases in an effort to chase a particular style and all purchases were at least overseen by the same DoF. Any incoming manager would have to understand that the squad will be, by and large, WYSIWYG.
I think most of us have got a very strong sense that Holloway isn't going to improve that much. Last time he was here, elsewhere, and, most especially, here this time, we are disappointed waiting for Holloway to be a consistent, effective manager. Let me give you the evidence to argue against myself in that it isn't that Holloway hasn't elicited some very strong performances out of the team, he certainly has, but he has not been able to sustain a high level of performance for any appreciable length of time, or even demonstrate that he really knows what works and what doesn't.
(I should have this pre-programmed as a single key stroke, I say it so often.) He is inconsistent and, overall, not very good.
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Every team, player and manager has been inconsistent forever and a day, in the prem or any other league we are not unique in that.
It could be said bigger clubs with more money have been worse than us
This constant droning on that somehow IH is holding us back and a new manager is needed it upper bolx
No one has an idea what the squad will look like for next season, it could well be weaker than the one we had this season yet that can all be fixed with a new manager Again.......
Bolx
You going on and on and on the same point is just irritating noise
I know a song that will get on your nerves get on your nerves get on your nerves.............. [Post edited 7 May 2018 16:07]
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