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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
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That is the point the people who wanted to abolish the Welsh Assembly were not given that choice on the ballot paper.
Give more power to Welsh Assembly Keep the welsh Assembly as it is
Why was the third choice Abolish the Assembly not on the referendum paper.
Only 24 % of the electoral register supported giving the Welsh Assembly more power.
Nothing fundamental had changed, the Welsh Assembly was voted in by a majority of voters with the majority of people eligible to vote voting. Then more powers were voted for by a near 2:1 majority 14 years later, there is no evidence or change event to warrant an abolish the Welsh Senedd referendum unlike in Scotland that voted to remain in the EU and are now going to be pulled out against their wishes.
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Nothing fundamental had changed, the Welsh Assembly was voted in by a majority of voters with the majority of people eligible to vote voting. Then more powers were voted for by a near 2:1 majority 14 years later, there is no evidence or change event to warrant an abolish the Welsh Senedd referendum unlike in Scotland that voted to remain in the EU and are now going to be pulled out against their wishes.
The referendum was a UK referendum and the UK voted to leave. As did England and Wales. In a national referendum you can have different consistencies staying in or leaving.
Just as I can't say that because labour vote in Wales fell by 8% and pc by .5% n 2019 general election that the welsh people are fed up with the people who run the Welsh Assembly
The referendum was a UK referendum and the UK voted to leave. As did England and Wales. In a national referendum you can have different consistencies staying in or leaving.
Just as I can't say that because labour vote in Wales fell by 8% and pc by .5% n 2019 general election that the welsh people are fed up with the people who run the Welsh Assembly
You think the people of Wales want and should have a vote to see if they want to abolish the Senedd ?, is that what you are saying ?
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You think the people of Wales want and should have a vote to see if they want to abolish the Senedd ?, is that what you are saying ?
I've said that several times. I'm all for the debate on independence and having a vote but the vote should include every option to see what the people of Wales really want.
Those options could be
A, independence B, Stay as we are now C, Remain in the union but devolve more powers D, Remain but with less powers E, Abolish devolution
That'd be democracy in action Tramps, giving people a genuine choice and not just the choice the Nationalists or Senedd want to give us.
I've said that several times. I'm all for the debate on independence and having a vote but the vote should include every option to see what the people of Wales really want.
Those options could be
A, independence B, Stay as we are now C, Remain in the union but devolve more powers D, Remain but with less powers E, Abolish devolution
That'd be democracy in action Tramps, giving people a genuine choice and not just the choice the Nationalists or Senedd want to give us.
Referendums in this country are nearly always/always a binary choice, not a multi choice, in your senario what would greater or lesser powers look like and the winning selection is very likely to have less than 50% of the vote which would be problematic.
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I've said that several times. I'm all for the debate on independence and having a vote but the vote should include every option to see what the people of Wales really want.
Those options could be
A, independence B, Stay as we are now C, Remain in the union but devolve more powers D, Remain but with less powers E, Abolish devolution
That'd be democracy in action Tramps, giving people a genuine choice and not just the choice the Nationalists or Senedd want to give us.
Rubbish.
We vote on a single issue - do you want wales to be an independent nation ? Yes or no.
After the yes vote, then politics kicks in and you can argue your case. Imagine being welsh and feeling your vote mattered.
We vote Welsh Labour and get English Tory governments. Enough.
Imagine spending our money on our childrens health and education, rather than bombs for far off lands, and tax breaks for the super rich.
Beware of the Risen People
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Remoaner,losers . on 18:21 - Dec 4 with 1597 views
I don't think Catullus has thought it through Kilkenny, for instance Independence could win the vote beating both lesser powers and abolish, yet lesser powers and abolish could get more than 50% of the vote combined, I wonder what Catullus would have to say about that if I came to pass ?, lol.
The Welsh Parliament is here to stay.
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I have thought it through that's why I said COULD be. Kilkeeny wouldn't allow an opportunity to reverse devolution.
How about this then, the choice becomes yes or no to indy first. Then if no to keep or abolish devolution, if it's keep the thee following options which are the other 3 selections I put.
It's not that hard really but the staunchly pro independence mob would never accept a chance of abolishing the Senedd.
Nothing fundamental had changed, the Welsh Assembly was voted in by a majority of voters with the majority of people eligible to vote voting. Then more powers were voted for by a near 2:1 majority 14 years later, there is no evidence or change event to warrant an abolish the Welsh Senedd referendum unlike in Scotland that voted to remain in the EU and are now going to be pulled out against their wishes.
Well it was a non binding referendum....where have I heard that before?
It's the way our democracy works but still, it's disappointing that such a referendum is carried through on such a small turn out, less than 36%. Maybe that's a sign of how irrelevant or even unwanted the Senedd is when not much more than a third bother voting.
That was a reasonable turnout for such a vote actually.
Not it's not reasonable, it's rubbish and just a symptom of thepublic disconnect with politics.
It's where I agree with many remainers, though brexit passed the threshold I'd be in favour of. I reckon in any referendum at least 51% need to have voted.
The senedd referendum saw what. 520,000 people vote for something and get their way. That's one sixth of the population of which there are over 2.3 million registered voters. So less than a quarter of registered voters got what they wanted. Our democracy is sick and needs a health boost, we need more people to take notice and have their say.
Not it's not reasonable, it's rubbish and just a symptom of thepublic disconnect with politics.
It's where I agree with many remainers, though brexit passed the threshold I'd be in favour of. I reckon in any referendum at least 51% need to have voted.
The senedd referendum saw what. 520,000 people vote for something and get their way. That's one sixth of the population of which there are over 2.3 million registered voters. So less than a quarter of registered voters got what they wanted. Our democracy is sick and needs a health boost, we need more people to take notice and have their say.
You can flip that and argue that majority were either in favour or neutral towards i it andvcertainly certainly not against it because the “No” vote lost.
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Remoaner,losers . on 21:48 - Dec 4 with 1537 views
You can flip that and argue that majority were either in favour or neutral towards i it andvcertainly certainly not against it because the “No” vote lost.
Unless people vote we cannot know how they would have voted. All things are possible. My argument isn't that the no vote would have won but simply thattoo many people don't bother voting. If you don't vote, even if that means spoiling a ballot as a protest, you give up your right to complain. If you feel strongly about something, use your vote.
Not it's not reasonable, it's rubbish and just a symptom of thepublic disconnect with politics.
It's where I agree with many remainers, though brexit passed the threshold I'd be in favour of. I reckon in any referendum at least 51% need to have voted.
The senedd referendum saw what. 520,000 people vote for something and get their way. That's one sixth of the population of which there are over 2.3 million registered voters. So less than a quarter of registered voters got what they wanted. Our democracy is sick and needs a health boost, we need more people to take notice and have their say.
Its a tried and tested system, since voting is not compulsory in this country.the winner of virtually all elections will get less than 50% of all registered voters. So you are questioning virtually every election we have ever had.
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I've said that several times. I'm all for the debate on independence and having a vote but the vote should include every option to see what the people of Wales really want.
Those options could be
A, independence B, Stay as we are now C, Remain in the union but devolve more powers D, Remain but with less powers E, Abolish devolution
That'd be democracy in action Tramps, giving people a genuine choice and not just the choice the Nationalists or Senedd want to give us.
Well said but the few narrow minded people on here don't want to give the people of Wales any choice other than their own.
Those five selections on a ballot paper would be (or at least should be) unworkable for the reasons I outlined.
In answer to this post, what about my revised question? Is that also unworkable?
Then in answer to something you posted earlier,
"Nothing fundamental had changed, the Welsh Assembly was voted in by a majority of voters with the majority of people eligible to vote voting"
Why tell a lie, as already said, the turnout was 36%, less actually.
If you're only going to alow a binary choice then it makes sense to first ask if we want to keep devolution or ditch it. No point in asking other questions if it turned out we'd get rid. Would you agree Trampie? Or is your opinion a multi answer referendum is unworkable only part of the denial of true choice for the people of Wales?
In answer to this post, what about my revised question? Is that also unworkable?
Then in answer to something you posted earlier,
"Nothing fundamental had changed, the Welsh Assembly was voted in by a majority of voters with the majority of people eligible to vote voting"
Why tell a lie, as already said, the turnout was 36%, less actually.
If you're only going to alow a binary choice then it makes sense to first ask if we want to keep devolution or ditch it. No point in asking other questions if it turned out we'd get rid. Would you agree Trampie? Or is your opinion a multi answer referendum is unworkable only part of the denial of true choice for the people of Wales?
The turnout was over 50% when the Welsh Assembly was created.
There is not enough evidence to merit having a Welsh independence vote at this point in time and there is not enough evidence to merit calling for an abolish the Senedd vote at this point in time either.
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The turnout was over 50% when the Welsh Assembly was created.
There is not enough evidence to merit having a Welsh independence vote at this point in time and there is not enough evidence to merit calling for an abolish the Senedd vote at this point in time either.
It was a 50.22% turnout with a .3% winning margin, less than 7000 votes. Less than 560,000 people wanted devolution out of a registered electorate of over 2.2 million.
Basically about around one quarter of the Welsh electorate voted yes (actually it's about 15000 more than one quarter) showing that most of Wales hardly cared about devolution from the beginning. The interest has hardly gone up since.
There were a little over 47 million registered voters and Bojo's party got about 27% of them I think.
Our electoral system needs changing. It's past it's sell by date. We had a vote on that though and said no so I have to accept it.
Exactly, so stop moaning about Welsh elections and referendums when the same thing applies to all elections across the UK including General Elections you are implying that every vote we have ever had in the UK is invalid, voting is not compulsory in this country and as as regards elections involving political parties we have several choices so the winning party is always likely to have quite a small percentage when looking at total eligible votes.
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Exactly, so stop moaning about Welsh elections and referendums when the same thing applies to all elections across the UK including General Elections you are implying that every vote we have ever had in the UK is invalid, voting is not compulsory in this country and as as regards elections involving political parties we have several choices so the winning party is always likely to have quite a small percentage when looking at total eligible votes.
I haven't moaned about the General election because the turnout was well over 50%. In fact wasn't it 67%? The lowest General Election turnoutis 57.2%, over half the electorate voted so that's fine. Like I've said, it's when below 50% bother voting there's a problem. I know people who moan about the government, friends who are always moaning but never vote.
It's a really sad state when only around one third of the electorate bother. Thts why I also say the ballot should have another box, for the protest voter. Put none of the above" in and we'd see how many politicians got rejected!
I haven't moaned about the General election because the turnout was well over 50%. In fact wasn't it 67%? The lowest General Election turnoutis 57.2%, over half the electorate voted so that's fine. Like I've said, it's when below 50% bother voting there's a problem. I know people who moan about the government, friends who are always moaning but never vote.
It's a really sad state when only around one third of the electorate bother. Thts why I also say the ballot should have another box, for the protest voter. Put none of the above" in and we'd see how many politicians got rejected!
Outside General Elections and major votes often 50% is not achieved, but because everybody has the chance to vote then the vote is seen as legit.
I was delighted being an election watcher when the home team won the Welsh Assembly vote in 97 with over 50% of eligible voters voting as I thought it very important at the time (although I don't remember it getting much coverage, if it had been under 50% I'm sure it would have had coverage) but as regards granting more powers that type of vote is never going to get over 50% turnout, in fact I think it was a very good turnout when it came to that vote to be honest.
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