| NHS cyber attack in England 17:01 - May 12 with 5016 views | Private_Partz |
The Tory's lack of investment in Public Service chickens are coming home to roost. Old systems can't cope with such attacks.
Not in Wales at the moment but I fear for systems here as well. Anyone tried using My Health Online? I find it a right bloody mess.
More such attacks in the Public Sector are likely imho. |  |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 12:01 - May 13 with 1183 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 11:28 - May 13 by pikeypaul |
The NHS computer system fck up started in 2002 nothing to do with
the 2008 global crash how do you connect the two?
Nice of you trying to blame it on the 2008 global crash typical Labour
blame their shambles on that. |
Meanwhile in ICELAND 🇮🇸
Labour in charge of the globe in those days
https://www.indy100.com/article/meanwhile-in-iceland-the-26th-banker-has-been-ja
Come on PixeyPaul , don't believe what they are telling us |  |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 12:20 - May 13 with 1160 views | Dr_Winston |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 06:58 - May 13 by trampie |
Wouldn't you think they would have the same system ?, in light of this perhaps not or did Wales just get lucky or has Wales got a more robust system ? |
Perhaps they thought that the Welsh NHS was already suffering enough? |  |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 14:59 - May 13 with 1119 views | blueytheblue |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 07:19 - May 13 by squarebear |
Wasn't it only in the last decade that shed loads of cash was spent on a new (apparently barely fit for purpose) IT system for the NHS? Yet they've not updated their OS from a version that's been unsupported for three years? That's incompetent.
I wish a pox upon the people who've instigated this attack, of course, but the NHS should not be taking chances with people's health. [Post edited 13 May 2017 7:20]
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Labour and Tories alike have mismanaged public sector IT. No clue, both would listen to the big "experts" who have zero clue.
So they then go the SME route because after all Martha Lane-Fox is a real f*cking expert on things.
Media claim "attack on NHS", idiots believe that...
All public sector IT should operate on air-gapped networks as you find in private sector defence companies in particular.
All NHS apps ( financial, email et al ) on a network that is completely disconnected from the internet. Everything internal. Even if you've not fully patched, as long as that network is secure then patch status, OS are irrelevant.
Have a smaller number of general purpose PCs connected to internet. Sometimes there are legit reasons to web browse; having those totally disconnected from main NHS systems mean those idiots browsing porn sites, opening infected emails don't allow ransomware to get installed. |  |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 15:09 - May 13 with 1115 views | blueytheblue |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 12:20 - May 13 by Dr_Winston |
Perhaps they thought that the Welsh NHS was already suffering enough? |
Nobody "thought" anything as NHS wasn't deliberately targetted.
Reality is, the disjointed mess that is public sector IT meant issue didn't spread to Wales. I'd doubt the ransomware spread as widely as claimed, many Trusts probably paniced and shut their systems down.
If some thick idiot clicked a dodgy link in an email in Wales, then computers would be affected... | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 15:58 - May 13 with 1107 views | Swanjaxs |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 15:09 - May 13 by blueytheblue |
Nobody "thought" anything as NHS wasn't deliberately targetted.
Reality is, the disjointed mess that is public sector IT meant issue didn't spread to Wales. I'd doubt the ransomware spread as widely as claimed, many Trusts probably paniced and shut their systems down.
If some thick idiot clicked a dodgy link in an email in Wales, then computers would be affected... |
Fùck off bluenose nobody on here gives a fùck today! The Jacks are staying up 😎â˜ðŸ˜‚ |  |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 18:05 - May 13 with 1066 views | Cooperman |
Poor maintenance of OS and inadequate e-mail filtering are the primary root causes.
If you don't maintain your car it will fail to function eventually. The same applies to IT infrastructure. |  |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 21:56 - May 13 with 1031 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:07 - May 13 with 1027 views | blueytheblue |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 18:05 - May 13 by Cooperman |
Poor maintenance of OS and inadequate e-mail filtering are the primary root causes.
If you don't maintain your car it will fail to function eventually. The same applies to IT infrastructure. |
The public sector ethos is "if it works, don't fix it".
I've been involved with systems that have been years old - one in particular used a version of a programming language that had been end of life'd a decade before. Manager view "why pay a lot of money to upgrade when it works" which is a dumb view.
Reality is, can point to poor maintenance of OS. That's somewhat of a misnomer, patches were available in the last few months. Sys admins are generally the ones at fault for not patching - why? Time, cost. Organisations don't want to sustain the downtime, lack the ability to define effective patch / deployment strategies.
Inadequate email filtering? Email filtering only masks the problem - namely that the biggest security flaw is the person using the f*cking thing. Oh look, a link in an email. I'll just click it. Ok, I could have hovered over the link and looked to see if it was an obvious fake but that would be too much common sense. Oooh, need to book that holiday using a work computer... I know, I'll search for cheap prices... oooh that's good, I'll click that.
I've worked in private sector defence companies who use airgapped networks. Want to browse the internet, check personal emails? Jog on kitty, you can't. Internal networks incredibly tightly controlled and managed. Need to look things up on the internet that are work related? Use one of the few PCs available on a completely different network. Need some libraries for coding? Put in request with security, it'll be downloaded, burnt to disk for audit purposes. It'll be run through sheepdip machines to check for any viruses or malware. It'll then be uploaded onto the secure network.
That is precisely what the NHS needs, on a much larger scale. Any NHS software has to work on a separate network with no public email or internet access. Granted a massive task logistically needing massive infrastructure investment. | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:19 - May 13 with 1024 views | Cooperman |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:07 - May 13 by blueytheblue |
The public sector ethos is "if it works, don't fix it".
I've been involved with systems that have been years old - one in particular used a version of a programming language that had been end of life'd a decade before. Manager view "why pay a lot of money to upgrade when it works" which is a dumb view.
Reality is, can point to poor maintenance of OS. That's somewhat of a misnomer, patches were available in the last few months. Sys admins are generally the ones at fault for not patching - why? Time, cost. Organisations don't want to sustain the downtime, lack the ability to define effective patch / deployment strategies.
Inadequate email filtering? Email filtering only masks the problem - namely that the biggest security flaw is the person using the f*cking thing. Oh look, a link in an email. I'll just click it. Ok, I could have hovered over the link and looked to see if it was an obvious fake but that would be too much common sense. Oooh, need to book that holiday using a work computer... I know, I'll search for cheap prices... oooh that's good, I'll click that.
I've worked in private sector defence companies who use airgapped networks. Want to browse the internet, check personal emails? Jog on kitty, you can't. Internal networks incredibly tightly controlled and managed. Need to look things up on the internet that are work related? Use one of the few PCs available on a completely different network. Need some libraries for coding? Put in request with security, it'll be downloaded, burnt to disk for audit purposes. It'll be run through sheepdip machines to check for any viruses or malware. It'll then be uploaded onto the secure network.
That is precisely what the NHS needs, on a much larger scale. Any NHS software has to work on a separate network with no public email or internet access. Granted a massive task logistically needing massive infrastructure investment. |
Blocking e-mail containing encrypted archive files at Exchange level (using O365 as the example) would be a sensible start. Stop it at source and don't worry about having to educate pork. | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:29 - May 13 with 1016 views | blueytheblue |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:19 - May 13 by Cooperman |
Blocking e-mail containing encrypted archive files at Exchange level (using O365 as the example) would be a sensible start. Stop it at source and don't worry about having to educate pork. |
Agree on the pork comment, after all, not kosher ;).
Problem is, it's not always possible to 100% block everything - it's mopping up after muppets bollocking things up.
Airgapping means even if no patches applied... no public facing vulnerabilities. Airgapping means even if idiot users gonna idiot... can never affect the core network.
It's time governments took IT way more seriously ( not just looking at OWAP page every decade or so.. ). Labour had numerous debacles, Tories listened to the technical guru that is Martha Lane-Fox, leading to the wonderful (ly crap) GDS...
It's about time government IT strategy, especially related to security, was driven by actual developers as opposed to managers and consultants from certain large consultancies treating public sector as a cash cow. | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:32 - May 13 with 1012 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Jeremy c@nts gone missing . | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:32 - May 13 with 1009 views | Cooperman |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:29 - May 13 by blueytheblue |
Agree on the pork comment, after all, not kosher ;).
Problem is, it's not always possible to 100% block everything - it's mopping up after muppets bollocking things up.
Airgapping means even if no patches applied... no public facing vulnerabilities. Airgapping means even if idiot users gonna idiot... can never affect the core network.
It's time governments took IT way more seriously ( not just looking at OWAP page every decade or so.. ). Labour had numerous debacles, Tories listened to the technical guru that is Martha Lane-Fox, leading to the wonderful (ly crap) GDS...
It's about time government IT strategy, especially related to security, was driven by actual developers as opposed to managers and consultants from certain large consultancies treating public sector as a cash cow. |
You should add private sector to that Bluey. It's not just the public sector who have got it wrong. | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:43 - May 13 with 1005 views | blueytheblue |
| NHS cyber attack in England on 22:32 - May 13 by Cooperman |
You should add private sector to that Bluey. It's not just the public sector who have got it wrong. |
Hmm, not sure I'd fully agree with that. I'd say in my experience private sector companies tend to be far more flexible in adapting. Granted there are plenty who are slapdash. | |
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| NHS cyber attack in England on 00:42 - May 14 with 985 views | rock1n |
This thread is beyond parody.
Cuts are to blame? Seriously?
You belittle your own arguments with this sort of bs. |  |
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