| Scottish Indy Ref 2 18:13 - Oct 13 with 9941 views | QuakerJack |
Go on Scotland!!! Smash that horrible union to pieces once and for all!!!! |  |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 18:18 - Oct 13 with 5934 views | union_jack |
Oh do shut up. Please. |  |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 18:20 - Oct 13 with 5932 views | blueytheblue |
Yup.
So when Scotland leave, they :-
lose the Barnett formula money which they disproportionately benefit from.
leave without being able to use the pound.
join EU, which means joining EuroZone with zero credit history.
take on their share of the uk debt.
have only a share of the north sea oil, when the arse end has fallen out of oil prices.
no longer get ruled from London but from Brussels.
have zero chance of celtic and new rangers joining the Prem.
have tariffs applied on trade with England ( 90% of their trade ).
have to get visas to get into England.
have even more work to do as the hole in their spending plans gets even bigger.
Yay, I'm sure the ordinary Scot will thank the oompa loompa for the mess she wants to create. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 18:21]
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 18:37 - Oct 13 with 5892 views | johnlangy |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 18:20 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
Yup.
So when Scotland leave, they :-
lose the Barnett formula money which they disproportionately benefit from.
leave without being able to use the pound.
join EU, which means joining EuroZone with zero credit history.
take on their share of the uk debt.
have only a share of the north sea oil, when the arse end has fallen out of oil prices.
no longer get ruled from London but from Brussels.
have zero chance of celtic and new rangers joining the Prem.
have tariffs applied on trade with England ( 90% of their trade ).
have to get visas to get into England.
have even more work to do as the hole in their spending plans gets even bigger.
Yay, I'm sure the ordinary Scot will thank the oompa loompa for the mess she wants to create. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 18:21]
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Jeez. I never thought of the Celtic/Rangers problem.
Don't do it Scotland. | | | |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 19:21 - Oct 13 with 5869 views | swan85 |
Personally I really believe in the Union in the UK, a few years ago it concerned me that the Scots would go. But to be honest, I am now so fed up with them, it's like a wife who keeps threatening to leave you, eventually you just say "go-on then!"
Or to coin a phrase f*ck em! | | | |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:16 - Oct 13 with 5819 views | sherpajacob |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 18:20 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
Yup.
So when Scotland leave, they :-
lose the Barnett formula money which they disproportionately benefit from.
leave without being able to use the pound.
join EU, which means joining EuroZone with zero credit history.
take on their share of the uk debt.
have only a share of the north sea oil, when the arse end has fallen out of oil prices.
no longer get ruled from London but from Brussels.
have zero chance of celtic and new rangers joining the Prem.
have tariffs applied on trade with England ( 90% of their trade ).
have to get visas to get into England.
have even more work to do as the hole in their spending plans gets even bigger.
Yay, I'm sure the ordinary Scot will thank the oompa loompa for the mess she wants to create. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 18:21]
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Yeah, but they'd have taken back control.
NB,: nobody can stop them using the pound. |  |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:18 - Oct 13 with 5814 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:16 - Oct 13 by sherpajacob |
Yeah, but they'd have taken back control.
NB,: nobody can stop them using the pound. |
They can call something the pound, sure. It wouldn't be "the" pound though unless I'm wrong.
EU would stop them using it if they join. Would need to adopt the Euro to be in the Eurozone. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:24 - Oct 13 with 5802 views | sherpajacob |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:18 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
They can call something the pound, sure. It wouldn't be "the" pound though unless I'm wrong.
EU would stop them using it if they join. Would need to adopt the Euro to be in the Eurozone. |
If they are allowed to use the euro, they'll probably be happy with that.
If not, nobody can stop them using the pound. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:26 - Oct 13 with 5793 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:24 - Oct 13 by sherpajacob |
If they are allowed to use the euro, they'll probably be happy with that.
If not, nobody can stop them using the pound. |
Yeh, operationally they can use the pound in their day to day lives. But they certainly wouldnt want to trade in it as theyll be tied to the fiscal strategy of the uk in much the same way Greece is tied to the EU/Germany. |  |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:36 - Oct 13 with 5770 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:26 - Oct 13 by PozuelosSideys |
Yeh, operationally they can use the pound in their day to day lives. But they certainly wouldnt want to trade in it as theyll be tied to the fiscal strategy of the uk in much the same way Greece is tied to the EU/Germany. |
The pound sterling is used in Great Britain and associated territories, regulated by Bank of England. BoE sets monetary policy, Treasury has set powers.
Scotland leaves the union, then they are leaving all of that. There are no non British territories using GBP. Certain places have their own "pound" ie Falkland islands Pound where that territory is responsible for monetary policy.
Scotland could have a "Scottish Pound" but they'd have to regulate that themselves. Only way they could use GBP would be via political agreement, surely? The (g)nats wouldn't want to tether themselves back to Britain via economic control would they? | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:40 - Oct 13 with 5757 views | sherpajacob |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:26 - Oct 13 by PozuelosSideys |
Yeh, operationally they can use the pound in their day to day lives. But they certainly wouldnt want to trade in it as theyll be tied to the fiscal strategy of the uk in much the same way Greece is tied to the EU/Germany. |
Longer term as their fiscal.policy diverges from England, they may well replace the English £ with a scottish £ and establish their own central bank, (or join the euro). As happened with slovakia
In the short term, nobody can stop them using the pound, despite scaremongering to the contrary. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:42 - Oct 13 with 5745 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:40 - Oct 13 by sherpajacob |
Longer term as their fiscal.policy diverges from England, they may well replace the English £ with a scottish £ and establish their own central bank, (or join the euro). As happened with slovakia
In the short term, nobody can stop them using the pound, despite scaremongering to the contrary. |
I don' t think they could. Not scaremongering, but no non British territory uses GBP. Has to be something blocking that. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:51 - Oct 13 with 5732 views | magicdaps10 |
I would love to see Scotland leave the UK just to see that little shyte Sturgeon try and squirm out of the cack she leads them into.
She gets on my friggin nerves, pushing the referendum for her own personal agenda. |  |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:05 - Oct 13 with 5707 views | Kilkennyjack |
It will be fantastic to see a free Scotland in Europe.
We will be stuck with a UKIP lite Brexit (breakfast) english nationalist right wing Tory party.
We will probably get Team GB.
Go Nicola girl. |  |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:05 - Oct 13 with 5706 views | LeonisGod |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 18:20 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
Yup.
So when Scotland leave, they :-
lose the Barnett formula money which they disproportionately benefit from.
leave without being able to use the pound.
join EU, which means joining EuroZone with zero credit history.
take on their share of the uk debt.
have only a share of the north sea oil, when the arse end has fallen out of oil prices.
no longer get ruled from London but from Brussels.
have zero chance of celtic and new rangers joining the Prem.
have tariffs applied on trade with England ( 90% of their trade ).
have to get visas to get into England.
have even more work to do as the hole in their spending plans gets even bigger.
Yay, I'm sure the ordinary Scot will thank the oompa loompa for the mess she wants to create. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 18:21]
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I didn't think you were concerned about having a weaker currency, lower credit rating, more trade tariffs, more controls when working with our neighbours, and having to do more work to fill lost opportunities.
You've been telling us for months that these are good things. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 21:10]
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:09 - Oct 13 with 5697 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:05 - Oct 13 by LeonisGod |
I didn't think you were concerned about having a weaker currency, lower credit rating, more trade tariffs, more controls when working with our neighbours, and having to do more work to fill lost opportunities.
You've been telling us for months that these are good things. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 21:10]
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😂😂 brilliant | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:11 - Oct 13 with 5690 views | LeonisGod |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:09 - Oct 13 by Kilkennyjack |
😂😂 brilliant |
 it's probably different for us or something. Cardiff logic  | | | |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:12 - Oct 13 with 5688 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:05 - Oct 13 by LeonisGod |
I didn't think you were concerned about having a weaker currency, lower credit rating, more trade tariffs, more controls when working with our neighbours, and having to do more work to fill lost opportunities.
You've been telling us for months that these are good things. [Post edited 13 Oct 2016 21:10]
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Apples, oranges.
Scotland want to leave one Union - which they are utterly dependent upon - and join another where they won't be as favoured.
The rest is all supposition before Article 50 has even been invoked.
Outside the Eu, we can persue trade agreements. Somewhere like India for example. EU talks with them lasted 9 years, no agreement. Why not? There are 27 different nations with their own inputs... | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:28 - Oct 13 with 5665 views | sherpajacob |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 20:42 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
I don' t think they could. Not scaremongering, but no non British territory uses GBP. Has to be something blocking that. |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_substitution
Nobody can stop them. So any attempt to say otherwise in arguing against independence is scaremongering. In the same way Cameron said Scottish rugby players would be ineligible for the lions.
Non British territories use $ where appropriate.
Montenegro and Kosovo amongst others use the euro, and they aren't even members of the EU. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:40 - Oct 13 with 5640 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:28 - Oct 13 by sherpajacob |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_substitution
Nobody can stop them. So any attempt to say otherwise in arguing against independence is scaremongering. In the same way Cameron said Scottish rugby players would be ineligible for the lions.
Non British territories use $ where appropriate.
Montenegro and Kosovo amongst others use the euro, and they aren't even members of the EU. |
And again, GBP is regulated by BoE.
Are the Scots, wanting full independence going to then backtrack by allowing BoE to regulate their currency? Doubtful.
Sturgeon wants Eu membership, would adopt the euro ASAP regardless. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:42 - Oct 13 with 5638 views | LeonisGod |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:12 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
Apples, oranges.
Scotland want to leave one Union - which they are utterly dependent upon - and join another where they won't be as favoured.
The rest is all supposition before Article 50 has even been invoked.
Outside the Eu, we can persue trade agreements. Somewhere like India for example. EU talks with them lasted 9 years, no agreement. Why not? There are 27 different nations with their own inputs... |
It's certainly a different situation, but with some commonality surrounding those points.
Fwiw, I very much doubt Scotland would find joining the EU as easy as Sturgeon hopes. We don't even know whether they'd meet the criteria for a start. That would depend on the term of the split from the UK wouldn't it.
India's a bit of a red herring. It's not as if we don't have good bilateral agreements already. Not tariff agreements agreed, but the UK and Indian governments do an awful lot to promote trade between us. Certainly used to anyway (I did work out there 98-08, thinks may have changed now?). There are a lot of other reasons why the volume of trade is relatively low, it's not all about tariffs. | | | |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:46 - Oct 13 with 5621 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:42 - Oct 13 by LeonisGod |
It's certainly a different situation, but with some commonality surrounding those points.
Fwiw, I very much doubt Scotland would find joining the EU as easy as Sturgeon hopes. We don't even know whether they'd meet the criteria for a start. That would depend on the term of the split from the UK wouldn't it.
India's a bit of a red herring. It's not as if we don't have good bilateral agreements already. Not tariff agreements agreed, but the UK and Indian governments do an awful lot to promote trade between us. Certainly used to anyway (I did work out there 98-08, thinks may have changed now?). There are a lot of other reasons why the volume of trade is relatively low, it's not all about tariffs. |
Agree with you re Scotland / EU. Spain wouldn't be happy for one - wouldn't want Catalans desire to self-determinism bolstered by Scotland joining.
Yeah, we do trade with India absolutely as we do the rest of the world. It was just an example that we'd not need to worry about getting a deal done with a nation when there are 27 other nations with conflicting wants and needs.
I remember an event where PCG pointed out issues with outsourcing. Seem to recall Hewitt walking past, claiming "we owe it to them" and Prescott calling people pointing out outsourcing flaws as racists. Ah the good old days... | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:53 - Oct 13 with 5603 views | sherpajacob |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:40 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
And again, GBP is regulated by BoE.
Are the Scots, wanting full independence going to then backtrack by allowing BoE to regulate their currency? Doubtful.
Sturgeon wants Eu membership, would adopt the euro ASAP regardless. |
So you do now accept they can use the £ if they want to. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:56 - Oct 13 with 5593 views | blueytheblue |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:53 - Oct 13 by sherpajacob |
So you do now accept they can use the £ if they want to. |
I'm saying to do so would have to mean BoE regulates it. Given that involves numerous issues, there's no guarantee BoE would agree / be empowered to do so for foreign nations.
HM Treasury also have certain powers - which Parliament endorses.
So it's a lot more complicated than simply saying they can use it. | |
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| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 22:01 - Oct 13 with 5587 views | sherpajacob |
| Scottish Indy Ref 2 on 21:56 - Oct 13 by blueytheblue |
I'm saying to do so would have to mean BoE regulates it. Given that involves numerous issues, there's no guarantee BoE would agree / be empowered to do so for foreign nations.
HM Treasury also have certain powers - which Parliament endorses.
So it's a lot more complicated than simply saying they can use it. |
Oh it's complicated now.
Your previous statement.
"leave without being able to use the pound. "
Sounded simple and unequivocal. | |
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