| Perch on 19:00 - Aug 15 with 2732 views | Jamie |
| Perch on 13:16 - Aug 15 by PunteR |
Furlong looked good against Swindon. If Perch goes then Furlong is a good replacement,if we can get him back off loan.. |
Season long on an so no recalls allowed. |  | |  |
| Perch on 19:39 - Aug 15 with 2663 views | NW5Hoop |
| Perch on 16:00 - Aug 15 by LazyFan |
Perch looked poor against Swindon.
So, he is not even any good at LB any more where we have 3 players already.
Whereas for RB, Furlong looked like the 1st team player for me. I am against his loan move to Swindon. As I believe he is already ready for 1st team action. Swindon chucked everything at him and he soaked it up despite having no protection from our midfield. Especially in the 2nd half when Nasser never ran back.
I suspect that a bid for Caulker and possibly even Ned could come in. With Lynch suffering from his second injury already this term, we may need to get some more CB's in, just to cover if Caulker and/or Ned depart.
I would sell Perch and get another RB in. This gives us the coverage we need at that problem position. Then JFH has finally done what no manager could manage in a long time and solved our fullback problem on both flanks.
With the Goalkeepers and Defence sorted, we can finally build the team ahead of them.
We also desperately need a Centre Forward. If BFG gets injured we shall be in trouble. We need a replacement in that position and then we shall be rock solid with a chance at 6th spot.
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Looking poor in one game does not mean he is no good at LB anymore. If we wrote off everyone who didn't look great against Swindon, we'd have no squad players left at all. | | | |
| Perch on 19:57 - Aug 15 with 2643 views | rsonist |
Many saying sell and get a specialist RB in but really what does that mean? At this level Onuoha is undisputed first choice, so competition is unlikely; yet if we sign someone young to develop then that effectively closes the door on Furlong further down the line. I'm no fan of Perch (and lest we forget this is probably a made-up story) but it's more or less not worth selling him unless they offer a fee too good to turn down and we also just so happen to have an unambitious jobbing back up player (Hughes, Onyewu style) in mind and available. It's all quite tenuous.
The one option I can think of that I might fancy is Nathan Byrne, out of favour at Wolves - right wing back (ie not much of a defender) but could cover both Onuoha and Ngbakoto. Also best mates with Luongo and Gladwin. Think if the club liked him they'd have signed him the first time round though. |  | | |
| Perch on 20:31 - Aug 15 with 2596 views | Watford_Ranger |
If he can be replaced by someone younger then great. It wasn't even half a season of good form was it? More like a dozen games after several months of total dross. Furlong and Kpekawa are capable squad players IMO. Robinson is still to come back albeit not the most reliable. I know nothing of Mawson beyond his Wikipedia profile but it's enough to convince he's at least no worse than Perch and probably cheaper. | | | |
| Perch on 20:56 - Aug 15 with 2554 views | TGRRRSSS |
Saw Mawson play for Maidenhead a few times a couple of years back. Was ok for the level but surprised how much he has moved on from that. |  | | |
| Perch on 08:56 - Aug 16 with 2412 views | CamberleyR |
| Perch on 19:00 - Aug 15 by Jamie |
Season long on an so no recalls allowed. |
Don't think that's the case anymore.
From the Football League website:
http://www.efl.com/global/section6.aspx
53 Standard Loans
53.1 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 52, Standard Loan transfers shall only be approved in accordance with following provisions:
53.1.1 subject to the proviso that the duration of a Standard Loan must be the time between two Transfer Windows, Standard Loans can be for half a Season or a full Season;
53.1.2 any recall clause requiring the early termination of a Standard Loan can only be included in a full Season Standard Loan and this can only be activated during the second (January) Transfer Window;
53.1.3 any other early termination of a Standard Loan must be by way of a mutual agreement in writing (including by way of a recall clause within the Standard Loan Agreement) between the Transferor Club, the Transferee Club and the Player but can only be completed after the expiry of 28 days and only during a Transfer Window (but subject to Regulation 53.1.4 below); [Post edited 16 Aug 2016 12:01]
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| Perch on 11:57 - Aug 16 with 2327 views | robith |
With the size of our squad, and our new financial parameters, I don't think we can really be selling anyone tbh |  | | |
| Perch on 12:07 - Aug 16 with 2306 views | DannytheR |
Experienced and versatile squad player able to slot into both full back positions and more, covering from the bench but with a good professional attitude. Yeah, let's bin him off.
Even if we were to buy a right back, they're not going to be playing - clearly the manager wants Onuoha there. |  | | |
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| Perch on 13:45 - Aug 16 with 2199 views | paulparker |
| Perch on 12:07 - Aug 16 by DannytheR |
Experienced and versatile squad player able to slot into both full back positions and more, covering from the bench but with a good professional attitude. Yeah, let's bin him off.
Even if we were to buy a right back, they're not going to be playing - clearly the manager wants Onuoha there. |
he may have a good attitude but that doesn't make him a good player
if we were to sell Perch and say bring in a Tavernier from Rangers or Byrne from Wolves
players who can play at full back or as a wide man then id be more than happy than keeping hold of Perch |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Perch on 13:59 - Aug 16 with 2174 views | rsonist |
Yes I think most of us know what "experienced and versatile" really means here. | | | |
| Perch on 14:03 - Aug 16 with 2156 views | DannytheR |
| Perch on 13:45 - Aug 16 by paulparker |
he may have a good attitude but that doesn't make him a good player
if we were to sell Perch and say bring in a Tavernier from Rangers or Byrne from Wolves
players who can play at full back or as a wide man then id be more than happy than keeping hold of Perch |
Tavernier couldn't get into the Wigan team when Perch was their player of the year. Not sure the Scottish Championship is much preparation for the real one. [Post edited 16 Aug 2016 14:04]
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| Perch on 14:22 - Aug 16 with 2124 views | paulparker |
| Perch on 14:03 - Aug 16 by DannytheR |
Tavernier couldn't get into the Wigan team when Perch was their player of the year. Not sure the Scottish Championship is much preparation for the real one. [Post edited 16 Aug 2016 14:04]
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Sometimes you need to take a step down to come back up look at a player like Jon Walters he was deemed hopeless and a journeyman until he went to Ipswich and stoke
scott dann was another who was bombed out on loan from Walsall to conference
would you have said Delaney or Puncheon would be established prem stars after playing for us , even Andros Townsend who has had about 11 loan clubs has finally found what it takes
Tavernier didn't have the best of starts at Wigan but he seems to have re invented himself at Rangers and at 24 he is starting to hit his peak
is Perch really the answer at RB, LB, CB or CM ? he may be versatile but that doesn't mean he should stay here if he isn't all that
if we could get say a Byrne or Tavernier in we would have players who could solve our attacking wide issues and cover fullback to a good standard if the need arises | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Perch on 14:31 - Aug 16 with 2104 views | daveB |
I like Perch but if we get a good offer for him then sell him |  | | |
| Perch on 15:04 - Aug 16 with 2053 views | LazyFan |
| Perch on 12:07 - Aug 16 by DannytheR |
Experienced and versatile squad player able to slot into both full back positions and more, covering from the bench but with a good professional attitude. Yeah, let's bin him off.
Even if we were to buy a right back, they're not going to be playing - clearly the manager wants Onuoha there. |
Hi,
I think the point is if we sold Caulker, Ned with Lynch injured would move to CB as his proper position. However deals do not always line up in the perfect way and if we are likely to sell Perch before then we need to be prepared.
I would rather we have a new RB coming inadvance, younger and challenging Ned even if Caulker is not sold. Bringing a long term challenge to Ned and Furlong. Ned is not getting any younger as well. So, long term this would be a good move for all parties.
I suspect we must do this all in advance as Caulker may go at the end of the August when we have no time to move for a RB. Use the money from Perch to get a new RB in now and mitigate the risks involved with Caulker leaving at the worst time ala Remy style.
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| Perch on 16:29 - Aug 16 with 1975 views | DannytheR |
| Perch on 14:22 - Aug 16 by paulparker |
Sometimes you need to take a step down to come back up look at a player like Jon Walters he was deemed hopeless and a journeyman until he went to Ipswich and stoke
scott dann was another who was bombed out on loan from Walsall to conference
would you have said Delaney or Puncheon would be established prem stars after playing for us , even Andros Townsend who has had about 11 loan clubs has finally found what it takes
Tavernier didn't have the best of starts at Wigan but he seems to have re invented himself at Rangers and at 24 he is starting to hit his peak
is Perch really the answer at RB, LB, CB or CM ? he may be versatile but that doesn't mean he should stay here if he isn't all that
if we could get say a Byrne or Tavernier in we would have players who could solve our attacking wide issues and cover fullback to a good standard if the need arises |
Wouldn't argue with any of that, and if we were looking for a first choice RB they would definitely be names to think about. But it's all a bit beside the point, isn't it? The manager obviously wants Onuoha in the team and playing RB, so realistically all we're looking for is an understudy.
There's an argument that should have been Furlong, but he's going to develop more with a season in League One under his belt than sitting on our bench.
I don't think Perch is good enough to be first choice anything, but if the question is 'who can cover a number of positions at once from the bench without getting in a younger player's way?' then he probably is the answer. | | | |
| Perch on 16:33 - Aug 16 with 1903 views | DannytheR |
| Perch on 15:04 - Aug 16 by LazyFan |
Hi,
I think the point is if we sold Caulker, Ned with Lynch injured would move to CB as his proper position. However deals do not always line up in the perfect way and if we are likely to sell Perch before then we need to be prepared.
I would rather we have a new RB coming inadvance, younger and challenging Ned even if Caulker is not sold. Bringing a long term challenge to Ned and Furlong. Ned is not getting any younger as well. So, long term this would be a good move for all parties.
I suspect we must do this all in advance as Caulker may go at the end of the August when we have no time to move for a RB. Use the money from Perch to get a new RB in now and mitigate the risks involved with Caulker leaving at the worst time ala Remy style.
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But Lynch isn't going to be injured long, so even if Caulker is sold, he'll just slot in at CB alongside Hall when he's back. That was probably the Plan A when he was bought and before Caulker came back revitalised anyway.
So that leaves Ned playing RB unless there's a real injury crisis. And he's only 29, so I can't see how another young RB as his understudy helps us unless we don't think Furlong is going to be ready as a regular in a couple of years time. | | | |
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