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Venezuela - a reality checks 23:13 - May 21 with 17856 viewsjackrabbit

I don't know if you've been keeping an eye on Venezuela? It is a socialist regime much lauded by Mr Corbyn as an example of what we should aspire to. Well yes, if you fancy hyperinflation, a worthless currency and empty shelves in shops and supermarkets - how do fancy queuing for hours to buy toilet rolls? In short, this socialist paradise is a modern day catastrophe.

Venezuela is yet another example of the folly that is socialism. The thing is, it's nothing new. We were used to hearing these stories in the latter half of last century, when half of Europe was living the 'Socialist Dream' under the Soviet boot heel. The only thing that changes is that yet another starry-eyed generation of young people have to see for themselves and suffer the disillusion that comes from experience. TheVenezuelan experience will never be repeated in Britain because for all its faults the British electorate will never vote into power a pair of Trotskyite zealots like Corbyn and McDonnell. Here's a flavour:

"Many Venezuelans have already left the country, including Francisco Flores.....
The NHS therapist, who now lives in London, says the regime is based on a principle of keeping everyone “equal but poor”.

This way, the state becomes a nanny and everyone loses the power to do anything because they are so dependent on it.

Venezuela is now suffering from the effects of a deep recession and hyperinflation as the government prints money to try to plug a gap between revenues and spending that is on course to hit 25pc of gross domestic product (GDP) next year."

Pure Corbynism.
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Venezuela - a reality checks on 16:43 - Jun 1 with 1923 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 18:02 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy

Overt racial stereotyping (golliwogs for a start and most of the criminals were foreign types). And the gender stereotypes went way past the girls being a "bit wet".
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Are you a wind up merchant or what? I cant tell.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:10 - Jun 1 with 1875 viewsLohengrin

Venezuela - a reality checks on 18:16 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy

I'm amusing myself by mentally composing Lohengrin's first contribution to thus thread. Especially if he's had an afternoon in the Legion with the chaps
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I already have. I nipped in quick back on the first page; it earned me a down arrow from some Herbert too.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:45 - Jun 1 with 1855 viewsexiledclaseboy

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:10 - Jun 1 by Lohengrin

I already have. I nipped in quick back on the first page; it earned me a down arrow from some Herbert too.


Have an up arrow from me. If only for your generous offer yesterday for which I'm really grateful even though I couldn't take you up on it.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:54 - Jun 1 with 1847 viewsLohengrin

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:45 - Jun 1 by exiledclaseboy

Have an up arrow from me. If only for your generous offer yesterday for which I'm really grateful even though I couldn't take you up on it.


My pleasure.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:14 - Jun 1 with 1827 viewsexiledclaseboy

Venezuela - a reality checks on 16:43 - Jun 1 by donkeylabour

Are you a wind up merchant or what? I cant tell.

1984 was a warning not a manifesto. Dear me😐


Duckspeak. That's double plus ungood.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 16:53 - Jun 3 with 1760 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:14 - Jun 1 by exiledclaseboy

Duckspeak. That's double plus ungood.


You haven't answered my question, do you actually believe in what you posted?

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:45 - Jun 3 with 1741 viewsexiledclaseboy

Venezuela - a reality checks on 16:53 - Jun 3 by donkeylabour

You haven't answered my question, do you actually believe in what you posted?


Yes. It's self evident. Not necessarily a criticism. Blyton's work was a product of its time. I'd still have to think long and hard before exposing any kids of mine to it though as I said to Bluey.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:46 - Jun 3 with 1739 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:45 - Jun 3 by exiledclaseboy

Yes. It's self evident. Not necessarily a criticism. Blyton's work was a product of its time. I'd still have to think long and hard before exposing any kids of mine to it though as I said to Bluey.


Fair enough

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:47 - Jun 3 with 1737 viewsexiledclaseboy

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:46 - Jun 3 by donkeylabour

Fair enough


So why the flabbergasted original reaction? I'd already said all that to Bluey upthread.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:48 - Jun 3 with 1735 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:47 - Jun 3 by exiledclaseboy

So why the flabbergasted original reaction? I'd already said all that to Bluey upthread.


I'm still a bit shocked but I'll move on.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:50 - Jun 3 with 1732 viewsexiledclaseboy

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:48 - Jun 3 by donkeylabour

I'm still a bit shocked but I'll move on.


What are you shocked about? That Dickens clearly hated Jews? That Blyton's stories are chock full of the racial and gender stereotypes that were typical of the less enlightened times she lived in?

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:54 - Jun 3 with 1729 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:50 - Jun 3 by exiledclaseboy

What are you shocked about? That Dickens clearly hated Jews? That Blyton's stories are chock full of the racial and gender stereotypes that were typical of the less enlightened times she lived in?


Both those authors you cite are part of our heritage and have been loved for generations.

You're going down a slippery slope. To be it's Totalitarianism, how do you define what should be for public guise.

But it's your choice as an individual, I would hate that sort of mentality to become mainstream.

My father voted labour and his father voted labour and his father voted labour so I vote labour

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:00 - Jun 3 with 1722 viewsexiledclaseboy

Venezuela - a reality checks on 19:54 - Jun 3 by donkeylabour

Both those authors you cite are part of our heritage and have been loved for generations.

You're going down a slippery slope. To be it's Totalitarianism, how do you define what should be for public guise.

But it's your choice as an individual, I would hate that sort of mentality to become mainstream.


Hang on, I also emphasised up thread that I don't advocate censorship or banning books. I'm a big fan of Dickens' work (I have his complete works here) and I read Enid Blyton voraciously as a child. I completely agree that it should be for individuals to decide what their kids read in the same way as it's a parent's duty to decide what TV programmes or films their kids watch.

Totalitarianism? Utter nonsense.
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Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:02 - Jun 3 with 1718 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:00 - Jun 3 by exiledclaseboy

Hang on, I also emphasised up thread that I don't advocate censorship or banning books. I'm a big fan of Dickens' work (I have his complete works here) and I read Enid Blyton voraciously as a child. I completely agree that it should be for individuals to decide what their kids read in the same way as it's a parent's duty to decide what TV programmes or films their kids watch.

Totalitarianism? Utter nonsense.
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That makes more sense to me.

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:06 - Jun 3 with 1714 viewsLord_Bony

Venezuela - a reality checks on 18:06 - May 29 by blueytheblue

I don't know.

What could possibly be wrong with little black doll Sambo, hated by the children due to his colour, having his face washed pink by the rain only to then be loved by all?


In Blyton’s The Little Black Doll, all the dolls in a dolls’ house refuse to play with Sambo, so Sambo leaves home. He finds another dolls’ house where a sick old lady lives alone. He sweeps the house for her and then he fetches the doctor, who returns with him to help the old lady. It is raining whilst they travel and, as a ‘reward’ for his good deed, Sambo becomes white. The rain has washed his blackness away so he returns to his former dolls’ house where he is welcomes — because he is now white.

Unbelievable...

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Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:45 - Jun 3 with 1696 viewsdailew

Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:06 - Jun 3 by Lord_Bony

In Blyton’s The Little Black Doll, all the dolls in a dolls’ house refuse to play with Sambo, so Sambo leaves home. He finds another dolls’ house where a sick old lady lives alone. He sweeps the house for her and then he fetches the doctor, who returns with him to help the old lady. It is raining whilst they travel and, as a ‘reward’ for his good deed, Sambo becomes white. The rain has washed his blackness away so he returns to his former dolls’ house where he is welcomes — because he is now white.

Unbelievable...


Thank god we never see that kind of stuff nowadays.


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Venezuela - a reality checks on 22:32 - Jun 3 with 1673 viewsdonkeylabour

Venezuela - a reality checks on 20:45 - Jun 3 by dailew

Thank god we never see that kind of stuff nowadays.



Racism in that part of the World is rife

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